Is it Really the Time to Consider Firing CKD???

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One side of the coin is CKD's leadership and coaching. This article explains the other side of the coin: why we're going to get left behind in recruiting, NIL, and replacing CKD if fired.

"We spend to win."

And if I'm Lanning, I'm using every penny. It's the new landscape of college football and if you're not spending it, someone else will.
 

LittleLexi

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One side of the coin is CKD's leadership and coaching. This article explains the other side of the coin: why we're going to get left behind in recruiting, NIL, and replacing CKD if fired.

"We spend to win."

From personal experience, the Alabama NIL Dept. is a joke. The people I have talked to have no business being there. On the flip side, my wife is an FSU alum, and she has no problem with their NIL Dept.
 

BamaMoon

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Cole Cubelic made a great point today. Is it coaching? The Washington Kids ( Parker and Germie) play hard , grade out well , do their jobs .
Someone else mentioned that too. Makes me wonder if it's more to do with some left-over attitudes, some of which, we know were present under CNS and it's what drove him out.

McCready had a tough observation, "Everyone else is still playing the uniform. Everyone else is playing against the standard. If you don't play up to the standard, you'll get beat, and they'll keep doing it for a LONG time..."
I'm afraid we are about to pay for 15 years of dominance in the SEC and on the national stage.

Yes, FSU stormed the field because of the Crimson Jersey. They saw us as the reason they didn't get into the playoff 2 years ago...and they saw how we didn't deliever when we did!

Everybody hates us and even though the playing field is more level, we'll still get revenge motivation from every opposing team every time we play anybody who was on the other end of that.
 
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KrAzY3

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* Alabama has about $20 million for NIL money. The schools with more money have two to three times that amount to spend. If Alabama doesn't start winning, they will not be able to compete for top players and will quickly fall far behind regardless of the coach we have.
I found myself really frustrated here a few years back when I was saying how terrible NIL would be and how Alabama wasn't in a good position and I got a lot of push-back on that. I spent more time looking at the finances than most, so perhaps I just grasped the implications more, but there was a lot of "don't worry about it" type of responses when I brought up Phil Knight, Texas, etc...

It's also one reason I was not in favor of this hire. This is a big swing type hire, a change in culture type of hire, a reinvent the wheel type scenario and given the situation I thought that was a unnecessary risk. I took a lot of heat for having Dabo higher on my list, and it's still hard to explain since he's not exactly doing an amazing job, but I thought and still thought if you just handed Dabo the talent Alabama currently has, and the resources Alabama has, he'd put them in the playoffs.

I'd take a Les Miles type, and the reason for that is because there's a relatively short window here to work with. Alabama is at a financial disadvantage and the Saban talent is only good for a few years. Once you've burned through that, you now have nothing separating you from LSU, Florida, Texas A&M, Tennessee, and Oklahoma for example. I just didn't want to see that wasted and unfortunately it seems like that is happening.

Things are fluid though, once things on the University side get going, Alabama will have a significant amount the program itself can put into NIL, which will percentage wise cut into the gap. Once the dust settles I think Alabama will be a top ten program in terms of NIL, but they won't approach the top ones because the money simply isn't there (Phil Knight has spent over a billion, Texas can take in in the neighborhood of 100 million more a year, Ellison bought a 10 million dollar QB for Michigan as a gift for his wife, etc...).

On a side note, I always criticized Clemson to the SEC because their underlying financials are not that impressive either. Without Dabo they'd probably be around a 40th ranked athletic department financially (with him they still fall below Kentucky), and I think that's actually their biggest issue with the transfer portal. You don't want to come out and say "we're broke" but what ever Alabama has, Clemson has a lot less, so he's having to choose between recruits and transfers for example. I also said back then that Clemson wouldn't do well with NIL.
 

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One thing is pretty much certain now after the 2024 season and the debacle on Saturday. No one on this schedule, including ULM, sees Alabama as a dominating force. We keep thinking Georgia will be bench mark on where we stand for the rest of this season. Heck, I’m concerned with ULM this week, then Wisconsin

A victory for Wisky in Tuscaloosa would go a long way in helping Luke Fickle solidify his head coaching position.
 

Special K

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CKD is in over his head IMO. He seems like a nice guy and all, but I'm not sure he has it in him to "coach hard", which is what it takes at a place like Alabama and in a conference like the SEC. Even the presser yesterday irritated me, saying things like "Don't overthink this, just let it rip" and so on. It's like he's petting the players saying, "Just play your game, it'll be OK." I want to see him get in somebody's grill - and/or posterior - just once when they loaf, whiff, tap out, whatever. I'm not expecting another Nick Saban - those guys are once in a generation - but CKD's style and approach, at least what I've seen so far, just aren't going to work at Alabama. The buyout is a hugh problem - but might be lesser of two evils if he hangs around too long and runs the program into the ground.
 

RollTide_HTTR

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It's obviously not time to fire him. But his seat got much hotter much faster than I would have thought possible. And if this season completely implodes? Idk what the decision makers would do but I'd fire him. I know the money issue but still.
 

TraskiTideFan

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One thing is pretty much certain now after the 2024 season and the debacle on Saturday. No one on this schedule, including ULM, sees Alabama as a dominating force. We keep thinking Georgia will be bench mark on where we stand for the rest of this season. Heck, I’m concerned with ULM this week, then Wisconsin

A victory for Wisky in Tuscaloosa would go a long way in helping Luke Fickle solidify his head coaching position.
So my company did a project for the Athletic Dept at LaTech. I kid you not....in their Football Facilities Offices where they bring their recruits for their visits and interviews, they have a section commemorating their 1999 win over Alabama......in the Regular Season mind you....Not even a bowl game. This upcoming game with ULM may not seem like a big deal to this current squad, but I promise you, it is a big deal to the Visiting Team. And you sure as heck dont want to be remembered down the road as the team that gave up a W to a Louisiana Directional School. Those universities build monuments to those Rare Wins.
 
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cdub55

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After watching some of this, it wasn't effort. It was hesitancy because we weren't prepared.

Maybe CKD was right about playing on our heels.

Wommack has some work to do!!!
Reuben Foster never hesitated and I'm not sure he knew if it was a run or pass half the time. Give me 11 dogs, or at least 5-6 in the box, that don't care about anything but wrecking shop and blowing people up! Particularly on 4th and 1 or short yardage situations...
 

graydogg85

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Short answer - no. I can’t think of a single situation where a school cut a guy loose in less than two full seasons (for on-field performance, not off-field stuff) in which it worked out well for them. People saying this are being way too reactionary and are too spoiled from Saban’s tenure, which was unrealistically good and will never be replicated, especially in the new landscape. If you make this move, what are you saying to your field of replacement candidates about job security? The job suddenly looks like a career killer and quality candidates don’t want it.

CKD may not be the answer, but I think it’s still too soon to know that and I’ve heard repeatedly from reputable mods on this board that he gets through the 2026 season at a minimum unless things just get catastrophic.

I’m concerned with some things that appear to be an issue with this staff, but I still think they can make corrections and I hope they do. These are experienced, intelligent coaches who have been winners elsewhere. Maybe they are just now coming to grips with this being P4 football and not the mid-majors, which is unfortunate - but I do believe they have the wherewithal to make adjustments and I hope they do.

I liked the CKD hire at the time as did most Bama fans I know (including most on this board) so to say we should have made a different or better hire is largely reactionary revisionist history. Of the candidates we talked with that would actually take the job (we weren’t getting Kirby or Sark), DeBoer had the best resume IMO. Kiffin and Dabo were never getting a look (and for good reasons) - and if you’re honest with yourself about their bodies of work, there’s no guarantee that either of them perform any better.

CKD is the guy for this season and most likely next season as well unless the wheels completely come off or he decides he wants out and takes a lesser job. I think we need to come to terms with that and hope that this staff uses its experience and intelligence to make necessary changes - and I believe they are capable of this.
 
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tusks_n_raider

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I can't really speak to the rest of the stuff, but I did want to know what he was talking about so I watched a little bit of it.

He mentioned an "anxiety doll" for Ryan Williams and I was a bit curious about it. Ryan Williams did indeed walk into the stadium carrying some weird stuffed animal. I desperately hope it was given to him by a sick kid or something, but I saw it defended as "drip".

If a player actually brought a stuffed animal with him as part of his outfit I would have relished someone like Scott Cochran tearing it to shreds.
Stuff like that in it of itself doesn’t bother me if your Play can not be criticized.

Smitty showed up to the SB looking like Prince with a matching leather carryall.



He will drive defenders into the dirt on running plays.

He gets off jams and doesn’t get his route redirected.

He CATCHES the ball.

He caught a back breaking TD pass in route to the Eagles winning that SB.

When a guy lets his play do the talking and is a guy others respect then you can do whatever you want.
 
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