Is it Really the Time to Consider Firing CKD???

[BamaMoon]

Was the video of players having some type of happy dance in the locker room after the game really true?? I didn't believe it, but who knows in this era.

Haven't heard that. Sounds like a made up story.

Actually, Coach has said the opposite (See BamaRich's post).

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Actually, who needs to be fired today, is Greg Byrne and anyone else who approved this in DeBoer's contract: ESPN Link



Even if he gets a new coaching job the buyout is not reduced. What idiot agrees to this?

 

[BAMARICH]

Actually, who needs to be fired today, is Greg Byrne and anyone else who approved this in DeBoer's contract: ESPN Link

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Even if he gets a new coaching job the buyout is not reduced. What idiot agrees to this?

One who knows very few people want to follow a coach like Saban and one who knows he can't afford to move onto "second", "third", "fourth", etc. hires.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

One who knows very few people want to follow a coach like Saban and one who knows he can't afford to move onto "second", "third", "fourth", etc. hires.

I just don't think we were that desperate to basically push all our chips in like that. Certainly, a lot of people don't want to follow "The Man", but someone would have taken it without having to put a financially crippling element into a contract like that. This was a very bad business move, imo, and to make it worse is now looking like a very bad coaching hire. So we're getting double whammied.

 

[bamaee04]

Actually, who needs to be fired today, is Greg Byrne and anyone else who approved this in DeBoer's contract: ESPN Link

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Even if he gets a new coaching job the buyout is not reduced. What idiot agrees to this?

I agree, and thought Byrne was smarter than this. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt of not doing anything to mess up what we had with Saban and bringing in Nate Oats, but this is insanity for an AD.

I do hate to even mention it because the man earned every right to do what he wanted and go out on his own terms, but I wonder how much more Coach Saban could have done to ease the transition and ensure we had a suitable replacement? He very well could have blessed the whole hiring of Deboer, but I wish there would have been more from him in helping to hire his successor...

 

[cdub55]

Grubb is saying Proctor had a "good game" last weekend.

We have a staff full of guys who don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Our motto is, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." That is a great mantra around the campfire at middle school VBS, but in football that is asinine. Call a spade a spade and quit sugar coating every. single. thing.

 

[cdub55]

I agree, and thought Byrne was smarter than this. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt of not doing anything to mess up what we had with Saban and bringing in Nate Oats, but this is insanity for an AD.

I do hate to even mention it because the man earned every right to do what he wanted and go out on his own terms, but I wonder how much more Coach Saban could have done to ease the transition and ensure we had a suitable replacement? He very well could have blessed the whole hiring of Deboer, but I wish there would have been more from him in helping to hire his successor...

When you look up the word "micro-manager" in the dictionary, there is a picture of Coach Saban chewing out Pete Golding on the sideline. Saban helping the transition more, while sounds great, is a fairy tale at best. The man held every single aspect of the program by its cajones. When he stepped down, he stepped down. There was really no way for him to be 25% less of himself and ease the next guy in. I've seen people blame Saban, Milroe, Kay Ivey, and Mother Teresa for what we are seeing, but at the end of the day CKD gets the credit and the blame for all things Alabama football in my book.

 

[bamajas]

I just don't think we were that desperate to basically push all our chips in like that. Certainly, a lot of people don't want to follow "The Man", but someone would have taken it without having to put a financially crippling element into a contract like that. This was a very bad business move, imo, and to make it worse is now looking like a very bad coaching hire. So we're getting double whammied.

Isn't it possible that the no offset is a concession to get him to agree to the monthly payments thru 2031 (which is unusual)?

No lump sum up front sounds like a big break in the NIL era

 

[BamaSC]

I've always been in the "Give him time" camp, and I've always tried to see the positives. I've expressed such on here many times.

But I'll tell you right now that I'm not sitting through "Mike Dubose 2.0." I'll stop watching and following it if I see the kind of crap we saw back then. Seriously. NIL has all but destroyed the game anyway, and if we become a circa 2000 laughingstock, I'll find a better way to spend my Saturdays.

I don’t watch these types of games anyway, but maybe I should since they may be our only shot at winning with this bunch. Already made plans for this week and next so won’t see either game. I’m getting old and life is too short to waste time watching spoiled young men wearing Crimson not giving a damn.

 

[BamaSC]

Actually, who needs to be fired today, is Greg Byrne and anyone else who approved this in DeBoer's contract: ESPN Link

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Even if he gets a new coaching job the buyout is not reduced. What idiot agrees to this?

A desperate idiot.

 

[graydogg85]

I appreciate your optimism. But DeBoer is losing to teams with half the talent. Out of the 5 losses, he only gets a pass losing @ Tennessee last season.

The other 4 losses were as double digit favorites to overmatched teams.

How do you explain this away? Is this not major red flags that he may not be up for the job in the SEC?

Not arguing that DeBoer is the long term solution; maybe he isn’t and I’m of the opinion that it’s too soon to know. The next couple of weeks could change my mind.

That said, I think it would be reasonably fair to assert that the only team DeBoer has lost to thus far that had demonstrably less talent was Vandy. Tennessee has great talent. Oklahoma has great talent even if they didn’t play up to it last season. Michigan has great talent, even if the team we faced was minus some starters. FSU has great talent. All of those teams minus Vandy have a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys all over their rosters. Vandy was a weird, weird game where the defense crapped the bed about as badly as they did against FSU - and to be fair, Vandy beat Auburn on the road, took Texas to the brink, hung around with Tennessee for 3 quarters and then beat Georgia Tech in their bowl game.

I get the frustration, but it’s not like we’ve lost five games to C-USA teams. And, to be honest, Saban’s last couple of seasons we were playing with fire frequently with subpar opponents and managed to squeeze by. USF, Arkansas and Auburn in 2023 immediately come to mind. We should have beat the brakes off all three of those teams but two of them were still in doubt late in the fourth, and we know what happened against Auburn in 2023.

Let’s see what happens the next couple of weeks before we pink slip this guy.

 

[JDCrimson]

Everytime, I hear CKD in a PC I think of this...

 

[CB4]

Everytime, I hear CKD in a PC I think of this...

Stick a beer in CKD’s hand, put him in front of a privacy fence and it’s Boomhouer 2.0

 

[BAMARICH]

get the frustration, but it’s not like we’ve lost five games to C-USA teams. And, to be honest, Saban’s last couple of seasons we were playing with fire frequently with subpar opponents and managed to squeeze by. USF, Arkansas and Auburn in 2023 immediately come to mind. We should have beat the brakes off all three of those teams but two of them were still in doubt late in the fourth, and we know what happened against Auburn in 2023.

Careful… according to most here, Saban left the program in “great shape”. It’s a hard pill to swallow, but we’re likely not in the current situation without the debacle of his final year as well as his sudden departure. It’s not all at the feet of CKD.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Careful… according to most here, Saban left the program in “great shape”. It’s a hard pill to swallow, but we’re likely not in the current situation without the debacle of his final couple of years as well as his sudden departure. It’s not all at the feet of CKD.

FIFY

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Careful… according to most here, Saban left the program in “great shape”. It’s a hard pill to swallow, but we’re likely not in the current situation without the debacle of his final year as well as his sudden departure. It’s not all at the feet of CKD.

If anything, Saban left the program underdeveloped more than he did lacking talent. The same talent rankings that had us in the top five nationwide also had Ohio St and Texas ranked there too, and was correct with their rankings. So were they right with the rankings of them but completely whiffed on us? I dont think so. I think this roster is loaded with talent its just underdeveloped which was a major problem for Sabans post 2020.

 

[Bluegrasstide]

A legendary coach where I am from used to always say, “Champions don’t do extraordinary things; they do ordinary things extraordinary well.” I think that sums up a lot about the difference between the Saban era and where we find ourselves currently. It truly is about the details, not scheme. Blocking, tackling, leverage, eye discipline… all ingredients in the recipe of winning.

 

[dWarriors88]

Is it unreasonable to ask coach saban to step in?

I know the answer.

the cultural core issue is because of the kids being paid. I'll say it.

 

[arthurdawg]

If anything, Saban left the program underdeveloped more than he did lacking talent. The same talent rankings that had us in the top five nationwide also had Ohio St and Texas ranked there too, and was correct with their rankings. So were they right with the rankings of them but completely whiffed on us? I dont think so. I think this roster is loaded with talent its just underdeveloped which was a major problem for Sabans post 2020.

I think our coaching staffs clearly took a step back in 2021 when BOB joined Pete. And the defense was simply less developed after 2019.

I think lots of issues all came together though. I think the Saban D was understood and overly complicated making it harder to plug players in and want to spend the time to develop. BOB's offense and the JM experiment were both problematic too.

Honestly, it almost feels like the rot initially began in 2018 when we flopped so badly in the title game. We had injuries mar the 2019 campaign, but some of the issues were evident then. 2020 was a false sunrise with Mac and the Slim Reaper and Najee leading an unstoppable unit. But heck, in 2020 the offense literally scored on our last 8 drives to outlast Ole Miss as our D couldn't stop them. Not far off from Florida.

I don't blame Saban at all, but his system and demands really stymied our ability to hire good coaching staff and just wasn't well adapted to the NIL and Portal worlds.

 

[bravo6]

I think our coaching staffs clearly took a step back in 2021 when BOB joined Pete. And the defense was simply less developed after 2019.

I think lots of issues all came together though. I think the Saban D was understood and overly complicated making it harder to plug players in and want to spend the time to develop. BOB's offense and the JM experiment were both problematic too.

Honestly, it almost feels like the rot initially began in 2018 when we flopped so badly in the title game. We had injuries mar the 2019 campaign, but some of the issues were evident then. 2020 was a false sunrise with Mac and the Slim Reaper and Najee leading an unstoppable unit. But heck, in 2020 the offense literally scored on our last 8 drives to outlast Ole Miss as our D couldn't stop them. Not far off from Florida.

I don't blame Saban at all, but his system and demands really stymied our ability to hire good coaching staff and just wasn't well adapted to the NIL and Portal worlds.

Why would you not blame Saban? It was his system. Shouldn't he be able to adjust to the NIL and portal worlds, if he is the greatest coach of all time?

I'm not saying the college football landscape didn't change tremendously over his last 5 or so years, but it was his program and if it didn't change with the times, then who else's fault is it?

I will admit it that if it were me, I wouldn't have change much, if at all, either, but that would also be my choice and by extension my fault/the blame would fall on me.