Is it Really the Time to Consider Firing CKD???

[Valley View]

I think one of the biggest problems is when the head coach and players and guaranteed money whether they produce or not removes accountability. They are going to get paid regardless of performance. I hope CKD wins every game for the next 15 years, but if he gets fired in the next year or so he still gets his money. $60 million is a nice payday for not having to produce results.

In the past players had to perform to play. Not playing directly impacted NFL prospects, it still does but the players are getting a nice chunk whether they play or not. Without accountability there is no incentive to perform.

 

[TideMan09]

All I know is that I've never seen the fans trust of a HC, broken as quickly as it has been, like it has been with Coach Deboer at Bama after the FSU debacle..

 

[mlh]

In the past, to make the big money, you had to make it to the NFL. CNS and "the process" was the best way to get there. The top talent came to Bama and did what CNS said because that was the best route to big money.

With NIL, that's no longer the case. Some of these kids are making NFL money now, without having to do anything but sign a contract. On field performance is not even a requirement. As a coach, how do you motivate those kids? And how do you manage the cancer that causes in the locker room?

 

[Redfish Hunter]

Be careful what you wish for. See Nebraska since they decided Frank Solich wasn't good enough. If you get rid of Deboer after 1.1 years or 2 years or 3 years without a Nick Saban waiting in the wings the program Will be set back for many years. Do you maybe change some coaching pieces? probably. Or maybe you just support the team you have and be glad you had Saban for 17 freaking years. Get rid of him and you kill recruiting, you lose a ton of players to the transfer portal and not just the bad ones and no great coach wants to come into a program where you give the coach 1.1 freaking years. This didn't just happen under Kalen Deboer. Do we forget so soon former players having meeting with Saban saying this is not the standard you taught us? Do you remember what McCarron was saying, what Bo Scarbrough was saying about Nick Saban's final 2 years? I don't post here much but some of you wanting him fired are not seeing the forest for the trees. I graduated from this great institution under the Dubose era and if you think this is that you are sadly mistaken. Dubose was a freaking idiot and Kalen Deboer for all his faults is not that. Dubose won an Sec Championship is what some are saying. That SEC championship was in spite of Dubose not because of Dubose.

 

[editder]

This ^^^

Most coaches do not make half of the philosophy changes over the course of their career that Saban did. He adapted and evolved more than most. Considering his age and where he was in the stage of his coaching career, I can fully understand when the NIL/Portal started impacting things; he just decided he was done with adapting. Can't say that I blame him.

Agreed.

Also, there’s a big difference between adapting to changing schemes and adapting to a landscape in which the coaches no longer have the upper hand.

 

[bravo6]

I do not think it is time to get rid of DeBoer. He was my personal choice for HC (not that it mattered to Byrne), so I'm fine to stick with him. One thing another poster said earlier in this thread (I believe) got me thinking. It was a comment about having 2 and 3*s at UW, as compared to 4 and 5*s at UA. And, it's something I have seen over the years in various sports. Could DeBoer be a coach who does "more with less" and just doesn't click with the more talented players? I'm not saying he is, and I'm not saying he isn't, but it is a thing.

Guess we'll see. Enjoy your Saturday folks.

 

[bamamc1]

Be careful what you wish for. See Nebraska since they decided Frank Solich wasn't good enough. If you get rid of Deboer after 1.1 years or 2 years or 3 years without a Nick Saban waiting in the wings the program Will be set back for many years. Do you maybe change some coaching pieces? probably. Or maybe you just support the team you have and be glad you had Saban for 17 freaking years. Get rid of him and you kill recruiting, you lose a ton of players to the transfer portal and not just the bad ones and no great coach wants to come into a program where you give the coach 1.1 freaking years. This didn't just happen under Kalen Deboer. Do we forget so soon former players having meeting with Saban saying this is not the standard you taught us? Do you remember what McCarron was saying, what Bo Scarbrough was saying about Nick Saban's final 2 years? I don't post here much but some of you wanting him fired are not seeing the forest for the trees. I graduated from this great institution under the Dubose era and if you think this is that you are sadly mistaken. Dubose was a freaking idiot and Kalen Deboer for all his faults is not that. Dubose won an Sec Championship is what some are saying. That SEC championship was in spite of Dubose not because of Dubose.

I used to sit here shaking with fear over losing players to the transfer portal. After witnessing what I did last week, no more. FSU slapped around our totally intact roster from last spring with 50 of their 85 roster players coming from the portal.
If you don’t want to be here, get your rear in the portal and we’ll find a 3* who wants to work hard and play with intensity.

 

[uaintn]

All I know is that I've never seen the fans trust of a HC, broken as quickly as it has been, like it has been with Coach Deboer at Bama after the FSU debacle..

This is a good point. Though I think things were already brittle before FSU. Oklahoma and Michigan already had a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. We'd thought up excuses on our own (the program wasn't left in as great a shape as we would have liked to believe, LANK, etc.). Independent reports and the coach's own statements set high expectations about culture, talent, experience for this season. And then the FSU game happened.

Even so, I agree, the level of hostility / disappointment has been something to see. Trust is easy to squander and hard to regain. I wish the coach well. He seems like a solid man. I hope he can prove he is a solid coach.

 

[Toddrn]

In the past, to make the big money, you had to make it to the NFL. CNS and "the process" was the best way to get there. The top talent came to Bama and did what CNS said because that was the best route to big money.

With NIL, that's no longer the case. Some of these kids are making NFL money now, without having to do anything but sign a contract. On field performance is not even a requirement. As a coach, how do you motivate those kids? And how do you manage the cancer that causes in the locker room?

If they are a true cancer then you act like a surgeon and remove them. It's the head coach's job to do what is best for the team. Just think what would happen if they did that. The other players would know that if they cause problems then they could be next.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Saban made some poor coordinator choices, among the few bad decisions he ever made.

Some of those were not true choices at all. They were total desperation...

 

[bamamc1]

This is a good point. Though I think things were already brittle before FSU. Oklahoma and Michigan already had a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. We'd thought up excuses on our own (the program wasn't left in as great a shape as we would have liked to believe, LANK, etc.). Independent reports and the coach's own statements set high expectations about culture, talent, experience for this season. And then the FSU game happened.

Even so, I agree, the level of hostility / disappointment has been something to see. Trust is easy to squander and hard to regain. I wish the coach well. He seems like a solid man. I hope he can prove he is a solid coach.

What I find so funny is all these podcast “experts” who had been at practice last spring and fall camp hyping Bama up and then all coming out to bash when they were proven WRONG. Are we as good as they predicted in the preseason? No. Are we as bad as they’re saying now? No. Our guys should be as fired up today as they’ve ever been. Prove people wrong. More importantly, prove that you’re competitors and were worth the lofty expectations. RTR

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I do not think it is time to get rid of DeBoer. He was my personal choice for HC (not that it mattered to Byrne), so I'm fine to stick with him. One thing another poster said earlier in this thread (I believe) got me thinking. It was a comment about having 2 and 3*s at UW, as compared to 4 and 5*s at UA. And, it's something I have seen over the years in various sports. Could DeBoer be a coach who does "more with less" and just doesn't click with the more talented players? I'm not saying he is, and I'm not saying he isn't, but it is a thing.

Guess we'll see. Enjoy your Saturday folks.

Its hard to convince people that its harder to do more with better players. Thats a tough sale.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Its hard to convince people that its harder to do more with better players. Thats a tough sale.

There’s no internal motivation, how do you herd a turtle through peanut butter if he doesn’t want to go?

 

[TideMan09]

This is a good point. Though I think things were already brittle before FSU. Oklahoma and Michigan already had a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. We'd thought up excuses on our own (the program wasn't left in as great a shape as we would have liked to believe, LANK, etc.). Independent reports and the coach's own statements set high expectations about culture, talent, experience for this season. And then the FSU game happened.

Even so, I agree, the level of hostility / disappointment has been something to see. Trust is easy to squander and hard to regain. I wish the coach well. He seems like a solid man. I hope he can prove he is a solid coach.

Exactly uaintn it's crazy, what little trust we had in Coach Deboer & this coaching staff they're the blame at the end of the game is gone..

We don't mind losing a game, we know it happens no matter who there HC is, butttt, it's how we're losing that's the problem..

The motivation to play & win isn't there at Bama under this coaching staff..

 

[CajunCrimson]

There’s no internal motivation, how do you herd a turtle through peanut butter if he doesn’t want to go?

You do what Saban did. You recruit kids who want discipline and a place to shine. But there aren’t many of those anymore.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

The agents knew this was a seismic transition with the portal opening Alabama and Alabama only for 30 days with the most talented roster in the country to be openly poached. What choice(s) do you think that Byrne had? No good ones. He hadto find a good coach fast and hold onto the roster and thus made a deal with Milroe and Lank for 2024.

Please tell me what we should have done with all that hanging over our head?

What he should have done was worked with CNS to ensure there was a transition plan in place as soon as he took the job - 6.5 years before CNS retired. That plan would've included whom on the staff to elevate to HC in order to maintain the culture and structure of the program. That was always going to be the most likely path to sustaining what CNS had built. Wholesale staff change = wholesale culture change; and yes the culture was already changing, but in part I think that's because the Coordinators were not top tier (though I liked Tommy Rees and think he did a fine job in 2023 considering what he had to work with).

That there was no such transition plan is malpractice on Byrne's part and, to a degree, on that of Dr. Bell...

Reason for edit: combination of typos and OCD…

 

[RammerJammer14]

I miss Coach Saban for sure

 

[crimsonaudio]

I think the talk of firing CKD is premature, but this is funny…

Susie from Alabama says if she wins the $2 billion power ball she’s going to use her first $70 million to pay Kalen DeBoer’s buyout. This is so great. God bless SEC football:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1964356186582438260

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I think the talk of firing CKD is premature, but this is funny…

Susie from Alabama says if she wins the $2 billion power ball she’s going to use her first $70 million to pay Kalen DeBoer’s buyout. This is so great. God bless SEC football:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1964356186582438260

Does Susie read Tidefans? I made a joke about it in another thread.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Does Susie read Tidefans? I made a joke about it in another thread.

Now you have me wondering if Susie is an architect…