Is targeting getting worse?

[bamaslammer]

I'm not talking about the ref's being able to identify it or not, they suck at that and I doubt they will get any better. So lets table that for another thread. I feel like defensive players on some teams are just trying to kill offensive players. The two concussions we suffered against Mizzu were in my opinion way overly violent and unnecessary. With the pressure to win ever increasing are coaches really coaching them to avoid this sort of thing or are they just sort of turning a blind eye to it and coaching them up to do whatever is necessary to win. I feel like this got better for a few years, but it seems we are suddenly seeing MORE of it. I felt at least in the first half the Auburn defenders were just trying to kill somebody, I mean literally, not just hit them hard. For perspective I watched an NFL game last night and I was not seeing that sort of human head first missile hits that I am seeing in college right now. The tackling was much more tuned to the body rather than trying to give the guy CTE

 

[colbysullivan]

I'm not talking about the ref's being able to identify it or not, they suck at that and I doubt they will get any better. So lets table that for another thread. I feel like defensive players on some teams are just trying to kill offensive players. The two concussions we suffered against Mizzu were in my opinion way overly violent and unnecessary. With the pressure to win ever increasing are coaches really coaching them to avoid this sort of thing or are they just sort of turning a blind eye to it and coaching them up to do whatever is necessary to win. I feel like this got better for a few years, but it seems we are suddenly seeing MORE of it. I felt at least in the first half the Auburn defenders were just trying to kill somebody, I mean literally, not just hit them hard. For perspective I watched an NFL game last night and I was not seeing that sort of human head first missile hits that I am seeing in college right now. The tackling was much more tuned to the body rather than trying to give the guy CTE

You don't see it in the NFL anymore because the players are hit where it hurts the most...their wallets. Missouri is a dirty team, so it doesn't surprise me that they did this. To answer your question, it seems to be about the same to me throughout college football. Players will NEVER be able to stop themselves from lowering their head. It's simply a bodily reaction/reflex. These types of hits will never go away under the current rules.

 

[davefrat]

You don't see it in the NFL anymore because the players are hit where it hurts the most...their wallets. Missouri is a dirty team, so it doesn't surprise me that they did this. To answer your question, it seems to be about the same to me throughout college football. Players will NEVER be able to stop themselves from lowering their head. It's simply a bodily reaction/reflex. These types of hits will never go away under the current rules.

Mizzou does seem like a dirty team...and Drunkowitz seems like a real jerk.

 

[bamaslammer]

You don't see it in the NFL anymore because the players are hit where it hurts the most...their wallets.

Since players are paid salaries and marketing now can they not fine them?

 

[colbysullivan]

Since players are paid salaries and marketing now can they not fine them?

BUT THEY'RE STUDENT ATHLETES!

 

[bamaslammer]

Or possibly the offending player should be out as long as the injured player is out

 

[Ole Man Dan]

Yes...
Some teams try to take out our players.
(Their coaches know it)
That way average teams try to beat better teams. The refs aren't any help, a half game suspension is nothing when a team is likely to lose several games because they don't have a great player.
Maybe the answer should be a 1 game suspension.
A second Offense would be suspended for the remainder of the year, and forfeit any NIL money owed.
That would get the attention of the bad guys.
If no money is owed the player, fine the coach $50,000. That would get his attention also.

 

[CB4]

Mizzou does seem like a dirty team...and Drunkowitz seems like a real jerk.

As I said in the post game thread, Drink is the SEC’s equivalent to your neighbor’s bratty kid brother that is always running his yapper. A Christmas Story’s Grover Dill to Kirby Smart as the SEC’s Scut Farkus.

 

[Cruloc]

The fact that college football officiating is already fundamentally flawed and then there is no standard on how to call targeting.......the answer to the original question is possibly maybe.

 

[RammerJammer14]

Man, I just saw an AL.col video of the hit on Meadows, and the number of people saying “clean hit to the chest, Meadows concussed himself” is astonishing. People can convince themselves of anything.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Define targeting and show me examples of targeting and not targeting. Because I have no idea anymore

 

[colbysullivan]

Man, I just saw an AL.col video of the hit on Meadows, and the number of people saying “clean hit to the chest, Meadows concussed himself” is astonishing. People can convince themselves of anything.

That one was pretty eye-opening to me. If you choose to believe the hit on Jam wasn’t targeting…then fine, I can’t convince you. But there is simply no argument for calling the hit on Meadows “clean”. I mean seriously, what play did they watch?

 

[bamaslammer]

That one was pretty eye-opening to me. If you choose to believe the hit on Jam wasn’t targeting…then fine, I can’t convince you. But there is simply no argument for calling the hit on Meadows “clean”. I mean seriously, what play did they watch?

I believe that might have been his first significant catch in a crimson uniform and he gets knocked unconscious thanks to irresponsible coaching. If it happens once in a game that might not be on the coach but when every player is flying head first into opponents that's coaching. They didn't coach that even in high school. My coach was adamant that you see what you hit, never lower your head. The guy had to face my parents at the end of the day. Apparently some coaches don't care. recruits need to figure this stuff out. You can get to the NFL from any place if you put something on film, this sort of thing is not going to be seen as a positive factor. They are looking for skill, not brutality that will just be a suspension in the NFL

 

[JDCrimson]

I think so. Interestingly we were talking about that this morning. I think with NIL the kids are headhunting more and maybe being coached to do it because of the parity and economics involved.

 

[RammerJammer14]

I believe that might have been his first significant catch in a crimson uniform and he gets knocked unconscious thanks to irresponsible coaching. If it happens once in a game that might not be on the coach but when every player is flying head first into opponents that's coaching. They didn't coach that even in high school. My coach was adamant that you see what you hit, never lower your head. The guy had to face my parents at the end of the day. Apparently some coaches don't care. recruits need to figure this stuff out. You can get to the NFL from any place if you put something on film, this sort of thing is not going to be seen as a positive factor. They are looking for skill, not brutality that will just be a suspension in the NFL

Meadows got it so badly, I’d be surprised if he is back until at least 3 weeks from now. And the dude who hit him didn’t even seem to care.

 

[BamaMoon]

Define targeting and show me examples of targeting and not targeting. Because I have no idea anymore

That's kinda how I feel. The talking heads too. We see what looks like a clear case of targeting and then on review, they say "no targeting!" Who knows any more???

But, the other problem is that people convince themselves of something based on their fandom. Like the Barners showing the grainy photo of their QB with the "ball in his hands" touching the "goal line," but they refuse to acknowledge the defensive player's hand has disappeared into the place where the football was.

I believe that might have been his first significant catch in a crimson uniform and he gets knocked unconscious thanks to irresponsible coaching. If it happens once in a game that might not be on the coach but when every player is flying head first into opponents that's coaching. They didn't coach that even in high school. My coach was adamant that you see what you hit, never lower your head. The guy had to face my parents at the end of the day. Apparently some coaches don't care. recruits need to figure this stuff out. You can get to the NFL from any place if you put something on film, this sort of thing is not going to be seen as a positive factor. They are looking for skill, not brutality that will just be a suspension in the NFL

I think it was his first catch too...at least in playing time that mattered.

I sure hope when he returns they give him an easy flip and catch ball to get his confidence back.

FWIW, how he went up high and snagged that pass was impressive. He's 6' 5" and the kind of receiver CKD's staff seems to be recruiting more. ON that play, we saw why.

Can't wait to see him in action again!

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

...Players will NEVER be able to stop themselves from lowering their head. It's simply a bodily reaction/reflex. These types of hits will never go away under the current rules.

I understand what you're saying but I disagree it's a reflex. Men are not bighorn sheep; there's no instinct to use the cranium as a weapon. I played rugby in high school and briefly (until it interfered with other social options) in college. Not once did I ever lower my head the way helmeted players do in football, or see anyone else do it.

It's a learned behavior, one I assume has been ingrained in players since they were 5 years old and starting to play Pop Warner. If so, eradicating it will take a 13 or more years of concerted effort (a) to stop teaching it to the 5 year-olds, and (b) to unteach it to the older kids. To do that, we need to sanction harshly any coach whose players use poor technique, for the safety of the kids...

 

[colbysullivan]

I understand what you're saying but I disagree it's a reflex. Men are not bighorn sheep; there's no instinct to use the cranium as a weapon. I played rugby in high school and briefly (until it interfered with other social options) in college. Not once did I ever lower my head the way helmeted players do in football, or see anyone else do it.

It's a learned behavior, one I assume has been ingrained in players since they were 5 years old and starting to play Pop Warner. If so, eradicating it will take a 13 or more years of concerted effort (a) to stop teaching it to the 5 year-olds, and (b) to unteach it to the older kids. To do that, we need to sanction harshly any coach whose players use poor technique, for the safety of the kids...

You didn’t have a helmet on…

Anyone who has ever played football knows what I’m talking about. It’s a reflex.

 

[AlistarWills]

Man, I just saw an AL.col video of the hit on Meadows, and the number of people saying “clean hit to the chest, Meadows concussed himself” is astonishing. People can convince themselves of anything.

He was lights out before his feet hit the ground, but he concussed himself. Insane!

 

[RammerJammer14]

He was lights out before his feet hit the ground, but he concussed himself. Insane!

Yeah the argument was that the tackle was clearly to the chest and that Meadow’s head snapped forward and he hit his own head on the safety’s helmet. Meanwhile in real life, you can clearly see the safety put his helmet into Meadow’s chin and the side of his head. A very “why are you hitting yourself” argument.