Is there a scenario where we still back into the playoffs?

[Snuffy Smith]

Okay. Understood. But it's still a flawed system IMO. If the committee is bound to that then so be it. But I won't be surprised if they deviate from the statement that they won't change the order of those outside the CCG's.

The whole way this thing is seeded (or not seeded) is flawed. Pretty sure B1G has mentioned this before & I heard Rece say the same Tuesday.

 

[KrAzY3]

The idea that a conference championship loser would not be "unduly" punished was for the Big 10 and SEC championship games. Everyone playing in those games is in, win or lose.

ACC loser can still get left out.

Even Josh Pate was trying to apply that notion to the ACC, as though the 8th ranked team playing the 17th ranked team was the same thing as the #2 and the #5 team or the #1 and the #3 team playing. It's nonsense, but there's a lot of nonsense.

Even with the SEC and Big 10, I was very reluctant to just blindly accept a 3 loss Alabama team after losing to Texas would automatically get in. It's hard to imagine for instance that they shouldn't have dropped past Tennessee or Georgia. So, while it's an unfair situation it also shouldn't be meaningless.

To go one step further and apply that sort of logic to two significantly weaker teams playing each other is just stupid. The ACC championship game and the Big 12 championship game are basically your average SEC game and they sure dropped teams after those games.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

The idea that a conference championship loser would not be "unduly" punished was for the Big 10 and SEC championship games. Everyone playing in those games is in, win or lose.

ACC loser can still get left out.

I think there is likely some truth to that

 

[PacadermaTideUs]

The fact that we are here and the #15, 16, 17 and 20th ranked teams are still in contention for a playoff spot is ridiculous. Back when we had the BCS, when we had the 4 team playoff, no one in their right mind ever argued that the 15, 16, 17 and 20th ranked teams should have a shot at a national title. When this thing expands to 16 teams and beyond, we going to be talking about unranked teams getting a shot. How stupid. UNLV should not even be in the playoffs with a win, the auto-bids have got to go.

1000%. And at least early on in this expanded playoff, we’re going to see a lot of embarrassing outcomes reminiscent of the 2022 championship (UGA over TCU 65-7). Teams like this year’s Boise, Iowa State, UNLV, and Arizona State shouldn’t even be anywhere near the playoffs, much less getting a whiff of a first round bye. The outcomes will show that when they get blown off the field.

Here’s what I think is going to happen as the years go on though - top tier talent that would otherwise restrict their choices to the blue bloods of college football are going to start looking at these schools that in the past could only hope for a meaningless mid-level bowl game, but are now appearing in the playoffs against legitimate contenders. And some of this top tier talent will start to consider and select these schools (and their increasing NIL pools).

The end result after a few years will be much more parity in the top half of FBS schools, and “dynasties” will be a thing of the past. NIL by itself has already had a huge impact on parity, which in my opinion, is why we have no real dominant teams this year. Everybody’s got flaws, and there are probably a legit 8 teams that could get hot and win the whole thing. Couple that with the Boises, Iowa States, UNLVs, and Arizona States suddenly able to draw more top tier talent via playoff inclusion, and we’re suddenly a lot closer to the parity of college basketball. Whether that’s a good or bad thing is a personal judgement. For me, it’s bad. I like seeing programs build into powerhouses over a few seasons. I don’t really like the one-and-done nature of college basketball or pro sports.

God forbid further expansion beyond 12.

 

[BamaInBham]

I think there is likely some truth to that

Ward Manuel has already stated that there is “potential” for SMU to fall behind Alabama if they lose, thus preparing the path for Alabama to make it in over the loser of the ACCCG. Most of us assume that is essentially a guarantee, though it’s really not. But that’s what I believe - SMU would then have the same resume as Miami except that SMU’s 2nd loss would be in their conf CG.

Again it seems obvious that they want 4 SEC teams this year if they can justify it.

 

[day-day]

There are two very similar threads in play right now. I'm posting this link in both threads. Maybe the BCS rankings are already posted somewhere but here they are for this week prior to conference championship games.

College football rankings: BCS reveals top 25 poll, bracket projection

 

[KrAzY3]

Ward Manuel has already stated that there is “potential” for SMU to fall behind Alabama if they lose, thus preparing the path for Alabama to make it in over the loser of the ACCCG. Most of us assume that is essentially a guarantee, though it’s really not. But that’s what I believe - SMU would then have the same resume as Miami except that SMU’s 2nd loss would be in their conf CG.

Again it seems obvious that they want 4 SEC teams this year if they can justify it.

Well, the pundits, the idiots in the media have really created this stupid narrative that even if you play in a weak conference, a loss in that championship game shouldn't count. They made it up, it's nonsense, but they're running with it because they are either imbeciles or deliberately lobbying for undeserving teams. You can decide which.

The counter is that if the 8th ranked team loses to the 17th ranked team, obviously they should drop. That's kind of common sense, especially if the 8th ranked team has a weak resume and is probably over-ranked to begin with. You can't go 0-2 against the top 25 and "earn" a playoff spot.

But, the committee can't just call everyone else idiots and say obviously SMU is out if they lose, they have to at least pretend like they'll watch the game and if SMU doesn't manage the (almost) impossible act of looking like a top ten time while losing to the #17 team then they're out.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Well, the pundits, the idiots in the media have really created this stupid narrative that even if you play in a weak conference, a loss in that championship game shouldn't count. They made it up, it's nonsense, but they're running with it because they are either imbeciles or deliberately lobbying for undeserving teams. You can decide which.

The CFP created this in 2022 by not dropping TCU from #3 after losing the conference championship game.

 

[KrAzY3]

The CFP created this in 2022 by not dropping TCU from #3 after losing the conference championship game.

Fair enough, and this is part of where I take exception to people that defend the committee by saying that they generally (not last year) have the same teams as the BCS. I counter that where they rank them matters as well.

In this case, the BCS had TCU at #4 (which might still have been too high), at least showing some movement. It was kind of weird that TCU stayed above one loss Ohio State despite just losing to Kansas St. (apparently if you lose to Kansas St. in the conference championship game it never counts) while Georgia fell from 1 to 6 the next year, even below a team with no QB that they'd destroy by a billion points.

 

[MikeInBama]

I'll take it! What a gauntlet of cupcakes

 

[KrAzY3]

I'll take it! What a gauntlet of cupcakes
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That would probably be the easiest stretch of Alabama's schedule.

 

[Bamaro]

I dont see how we make it in unless SMU wins or gets obliterated.
Clemson is favored by 2, ESPN FPI has SMU with 54% chance to win. 🤷‍♂️

 

[DzynKingRTR]

After the Vandy game, I said this team would not win a national championship and if I was wrong, I would have my name changed to IwaswrongRTR. I will still do this because I am a man of my word.

 

[Cruloc]

After the Vandy game, I said this team would not win a national championship and if I was wrong, I would have my name changed to IwaswrongRTR. I will still do this because I am a man of my word.

You hate to see it.....but you love to see it.

 

[CrimSonami]

The CFP created this in 2022 by not dropping TCU from #3 after losing the conference championship game.

Gotta invite Cinderella to the dance now. The DEI culture has crept in.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

The CFP created this in 2022 by not dropping TCU from #3 after losing the conference championship game.

I still think that was a make up call for 2014 when their fanbase felt they were robbed. I think the CFP committee would give SMU the boot because they don't owe them any favors.

 

[westide]

Some people believe that only 1 ACC team will get in. So, if Clemson wins, SMU will be knocked out. Also, if UNLV wins, Boise St will get knocked out. I hope that is true.

 

[bamadwain]

I don't agree with having group of 5 teams in, never have, never will, let them take their ball and go home, Dabo wants 2 ACC teams to get in, even if he was up 30 he would start taking knees to let SMU make it interesting

 

[JamieSPC]

 

[Toddrn]

After the Vandy game, I said this team would not win a national championship and if I was wrong, I would have my name changed to IwaswrongRTR. I will still do this because I am a man of my word.

We are going to want to see the paperwork once it is completed.