It's official - Russia enters Crimea

[crimsonaudio]

Wow, a guy mis-spells a word once and you never forget it...

He's the selmaborntidefan of grammar...

:biggrin:

 

[CrimsonPride25]

I think its incredible that Putin can invade Ukraine, annex a portion of their country then get mad when a single artillery shell hits a Russian.

 

[Tidewater]

I think its incredible that Putin can invade Ukraine, annex a portion of their country then get mad when a single artillery shell hits a Russian.

I don't know how mad Putin is. He may well be secretly happy. (Heck, if Putin benefited by having artillery fire into Russia, it is entirely possible he would have Russian artillery fire into Russia and just say it was Ukrainian. Hitler did exactly that in Danzig in 1939. Hitler had German troops in Polish uniforms attack Germans on the border, including having the Gestapo kill a leftist German, and bring his corpse to the border and riddle it with Polish bullet holes.) Praesto! Instant causus belli. (Oops.)

Putin wants the Russian people mad and knows how to play them like a fiddle.

 

[bamachile]

Praesto! Instant causus belli. (Oops.)

 

[mittman]

I think its incredible that Putin can invade Ukraine, annex a portion of their country then get mad when a single artillery shell hits a Russian.

That was my first reaction too.

IMO. This is just another in a long line of cases where Putin is lining up 'reasons' to do what he is going to do anyways.

 

[formersoldier71]

Putin wants the Russian people mad and knows how to play them like a fiddle.

Like this?

Russian state television has provoked a storm of criticism after it aired an uncorroborated report claiming that the Ukrainian army publicly nailed a three-year-old boy to a board in a former rebel stronghold.


"They took a child of around three years old, a little boy in his underwear and a T-shirt and nailed him to a notice board like Jesus. One was nailing him and two others holding him."

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-tv-sparks-outrage-ukraine-child-crucifixion-claim-114839196.html

Of course, the Russians are referencing the Nazis, but it reminds me of some older propaganda....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucified_Soldier

 

[bamachile]

Ukraine warns of Russian invasion, sets truce talks

A top Ukrainian general went a step further by telling a live television audience in Kiev that he feared a Russian invasion was imminent.

"Ukraine, like never before, stands on the cusp of a wide-scale aggression from our current northern border," said National Security and Defence Council Deputy Secretary Mykhaylo Koval.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Ukraine warns of Russian invasion, sets truce talks

Nothing like pot stirring to get nationalistic pride and fervor up and running.

 

[formersoldier71]

Russian jets shot down a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter plane that was on military operations over the east of Ukraine, where government forces are fighting to quell a pro-Russian separatist rebellion, the Ukrainian military said on Thursday.



Russia's defence ministry declined to comment on Thursday's accusation by Kiev.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jet-shoots-down-ukrainian-warplane-over-ukraine-101707138.html

ruh ro.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jet-shoots-down-ukrainian-warplane-over-ukraine-101707138.html

ruh ro.

Seriously, what is Ukraine going to do about it? If Russia wants to dominate the air, it will be like our air superiority in Iraq. It won't even be funny. Putin is just playing with Ukraine right now. We'll consider that pay back for the shell(s) lobbed into Russia the other day.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

The plane was shot down at, what, 32K? That's a serious SAM...

 

[bamachile]

Thought I would resurrect this thread rather than lumping this with the M17 incident.

2 Ukrainian military fighter jets shot down

Two Ukrainian military fighter jets have been shot down in the east, according to the country's Defense Ministry.

I know Vlad has strong influence with the rebels, but I'm not sure how much that translates to control. Regardless, the conversations in Kiev and Moscow have to be very interesting right now.

 

[Bamaro]

Thought I would resurrect this thread rather than lumping this with the M17 incident.

2 Ukrainian military fighter jets shot down



I know Vlad has strong influence with the rebels, but I'm not sure how much that translates to control. Regardless, the conversations in Kiev and Moscow have to be very interesting right now.

I wonder if its within its capabilities to take out those mobile missile launchers with drones?

 

[bamachile]

I wonder if its within its capabilities to take out those mobile missile launchers with drones?

Theoretically, I'd say that's a sound tactical move. Of course, that means matching and trumping this escalation (supplying drones and drone experts). This is somewhat of a decision point for the Western powers, as the rebels seem defiant. I'm interested in Pooty's reaction, but more interested in Merkel's.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I wonder if its within its capabilities to take out those mobile missile launchers with drones?

Probably, if their location is known. The mobility aspect of these launchers makes that really tough. I have no idea how fast these BUK mobile launchers can move, but i suspect they get along pretty fast...

 

[TexasBama]

Just sayin'

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Just sayin'

It worked in Dresden.

 

[Tidewater]

Probably, if their location is known. The mobility aspect of these launchers makes that really tough. I have no idea how fast these BUK mobile launchers can move, but i suspect they get along pretty fast...

It is less a matter of how many miles per hour the launcher and the TA radar and guidance radars can drive down the road. It is how quickly (how many minutes) they can go from traveling configuration to shooting configuration and back.

Plus, SA-11s can shoot down drones as easily as they can an F-16 or a Boeing 777.

I remember in Bosnia the USAF used a $850,000 missile to destroy a $35,000 M10 tank destroyer. Makes for odd economics.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

It is less a matter of how many miles per hour the launcher and the TA radar and guidance radars can drive down the road. It is how quickly (how many minutes) they can go from traveling configuration to shooting configuration and back.

Plus, SA-11s can shoot down drones as easily as they can an F-16 or a Boeing 777.

I remember in Bosnia the USAF used a $850,000 missile to destroy a $35,000 M10 tank destroyer. Makes for odd economics.

Are war economics ever anything else?

 

[formersoldier71]

The United States on Thursday said it had evidence Russian forces were firing artillery from inside Russia on Ukrainian troops, in what officials called a "clear escalation" of the conflict.

Moscow is also planning to "deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers" to the pro-Russian separatist forces in Ukraine, US deputy State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said.

The evidence was based on "intelligence information" indicating arms were "continuing to flow across the border" into Ukraine since the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner with 298 on board, Harf said.

http://news.yahoo.com/evidence-moscow-firing-russia-ukraine-troops-us-181508795.html