It's Time For The Homo- Marriage Farce To Be Smashed Into Oblivion............

[Bama-T]

It is time for state and federal bans against
homo (cant bring myself to use the word gay) marriages or if a ban exists to enforce it.
I an sick and tired of a bunch of leftist,
liberal hack judges and mayors creating their
own rules and laws. Marriage is an ordained
right of God given to men and women, anything
short of this is not acceptable. This country
is getting farther and farther to the extreme
left with no sign of slowing down. We as a
people had better stem the tide on this
measure now or God have mercy on us all.
I hear all the talk about homosexuality being
something your born with which is absolute
stupidity and contrary to Gods word. These
people may be sincere in their beliefs "BUT"
sincerity has never been the measure of Gods truth and never will be. I do not know how
anyone else feels but this matter has me very
concerned. In the early 60's prayer left the
schools with one atheistic woman. the early
70's saw murder/abortion legalized and now
in 2004 a very small minority is once again
pushing their will over the wants of the
majority. Lord help us to stop this attack
on marriage, family and morality.......

T.

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[CrimsonNan]

Bama-T

What I'm wondering about is where is the indignation, from some of the members on this board, now that the mayor in San Francisco is allowing phoney marriage licenses to be issued to homosexuals, which is against the law, when they were belly-aching about Judge Moore and his Ten Commandments monument. You couldn't shut them up!!! Judge Moore was breaking the law they yelled. But where are these people NOW? Do they believe the mayor of San Francisco ISN'T breaking the law? It's certainly a California law that marriage is between a man and a woman.

In fact, some of the loudest mouths on this board criticizing Judge Moore now advocate same sex marriage.

What's that about a pot calling the kettle black???????

[This message has been edited by CrimsonNan (edited 02-21-2004).]

 

[DiamondDust]

San Francisco's mayor is in the same boat as Moore. They both flagrantly broke the law. If the indications are right, Arnold is about to really put the clamp on things. If the mayor continually ignores the warnings, like Moore did, he should be removed from office.

However, the real problem with this goes to the judiciary, and the fact that there are PARTISAN judges. The fact that a judge is either Democrat or Republican is a huge problem in my book. As much as people whine about how they don't want crazy left-wing judges who issue rulings based on that aspect, I sure don't want crazy right-wing judges who rule on that aspect as well. It all goes to the fact that this country is so badly split down the Republican/Democrat line, it's sickening. Heaven help us when a Supreme Court seat comes open because that fight is going to rival Ali/Frazier I.

Justice is supposed to be blind. Throwing political beliefs into the aspect is a very bad policy.

 

[Pachydermatous]

Yo, Diamond ---

This court packing caper is not something new. Democrats discovered long ago that getting one's ideology accepted is much easier with a sympathetic judiciary.

Franklin Roosevelt launched this particular "crusade" in the 1930s when the Supreme Court kept ruling his New Deal programs unconstitutional --- which they were at the time. Many contend they still are. FDR started nominating liberals to the high court and forcing their acceptance in the Senate.

Roosevelt justification for court packing was the Depression crisis and looming war, which he held so serious that a president could dispense with proprieties. This was the genesis of a judicial slippery slope culminating in the modern liberal argument that the constitution is a "living document" which may be altered at any time to suit convenience.

Later Democrat presidents proved adept at manufacturing crises to facilitate the packing process. Their biggest ally proved to be a supine Republican Party whose senators seldom interfered with the process. Indeed, the GOP proved so inept that their attempts at court packing resulted in disaster. Case in point is Eisenhower's nomination of Earl Warren as chief justice. Ike had hoped to pick a moderate-conservative and instead got an unabashed liberal whose court set the stage for modern judicial activism.

Republicans have learned a good deal since and currently are attempting, albeit in feeble fashion, to reverse the flood of liberal judicial appointments. Will they win? Who knows.

 

[CrimsonNan]

Since the city began allowing gays and lesbians to get marriage licenses nine days ago, it has issued more than 3,000.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger addressed the issue at the state's Republican convention in Burlingame, California, just outside San Francisco, warning the city to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples in defiance of state law.

"Today I have sent a letter to Attorney General Bill Lockyer asking him to move as quickly as possible on behalf of the state ... to resolve the issues underlying San Francisco's lawsuit against the state," Schwarzenegger said.

"While we wait for the courts to act, it's time for the city of San Francisco to start respecting state law. It is time for the city to stop traveling down this dangerous path of ignoring the rule of law."

 

[Bama-T]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CrimsonNan:
Bama-T

What I'm wondering about is where is the indignation, from some of the members on this board, now that the mayor in San Francisco is allowing phoney marriage licenses to be issued to homosexuals, which is against the law, when they were belly-aching about Judge Moore and his Ten Commandments monument. You couldn't shut them up!!! Judge Moore was breaking the law they yelled. But where are these people NOW? Do they believe the mayor of San Francisco ISN'T breaking the law? It's certainly a California law that marriage is between a man and a woman.

In fact, some of the loudest mouths on this board criticizing Judge Moore now advocate same sex marriage.

What's that about a pot calling the kettle black???????

[This message has been edited by CrimsonNan (edited 02-21-2004).]</font>

CrimsonNan,

Those on this board that would advocate such
a move are the very ones who's minds have
been so seared that they no longer know the difference between what is right and what is
wrong. They are the ones who see themselves
as being intellectually superior to those of
us they see as being old fashioned or taking
a moral stand.Those people are what I like to
call "educated beyond their intelligence".

War has been declared and my hope is that we
take a stand for righteousness and morality
and not run and hide like those before us
did on prayer in schools and abortion. I for
one will protest and will stand up for what
is right. Homosexuality was, is and ever more
will be wrong and sinful. This is not my word
but the word of God in scripture.

1)Do not practice homosexuality. Gen. 19:5-7
Leviticus 18:22
2)Homosexuals have no share in the kingdom.
1st Corinth. 6:9
3)Penalty for homosexual acts.Leviticus 20:13

This is Gods word on the matter. I know there
are those that are sincere in their beliefs
that homosexuality is OK but let me reiterate
my point in my original post. Sincerity has
never been nor will it ever be "the measure
of truth" for our culture and world. You can
hide your head in the sand and ignore what
God has to say "BUT" that will not change a
thing as far as what Gods word say's.

T.
1st Corinthians 1:18

 

[Bama's Belle]

Seperation of Church and State People.

What if our government because overwhelmingly Islamic and decided to enforce their ideas of morality. What if Nan, they told you that your husband should take 4 other women to wife and he could divorce you just by saying it 3 times. And BamaT What if they told You that you had to serve in the Army or be Executed, or support a harem of women... You wouldnt like it. I just dont see what you all DONT get...

All this man/woman by God in the world doesnt apply because this country was founded on religious freedom. Our government Is NOT Christian, and our forefathers escaped here because they couldnt practice their religion freely in England. Yet here we are back to the same argument...200 some odd years later. Religion has no place in Government.


And Nan, they have to prove he is breaking the law...Because under "Equal Protection under the Law", Gays have the Right to engage in Unions just as Straight people do...

 

[Bama-T]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama's Belle:
Seperation of Church and State People.

What if our government because overwhelmingly Islamic and decided to enforce their ideas of morality. What if Nan, they told you that your husband should take 4 other women to wife and he could divorce you just by saying it 3 times. And BamaT What if they told You that you had to serve in the Army or be Executed, or support a harem of women... You wouldnt like it. I just dont see what you all DONT get...

All this man/woman by God in the world doesnt apply because this country was founded on religious freedom. Our government Is NOT Christian, and our forefathers escaped here because they couldnt practice their religion freely in England. Yet here we are back to the same argument...200 some odd years later. Religion has no place in Government.


And Nan, they have to prove he is breaking the law...Because under "Equal Protection under the Law", Gays have the Right to engage in Unions just as Straight people do...</font>

Bamabelle seperation of church and state ??
This nation was founded on the belief in God
and Christian values. Sorry if you want to
ignore the obvious. The amendment say's that
the government has no right to establish a
religion per the church of England example.
This does not mean that those in government
or government itself can not or should not be
influenced by Christian values and morals.

Now to your point of homosexual rights. There
are laws in this country against the marriage
of homosexuals and they should be and need to
be upheld. Homosexuality is wrong and regard-
less of what you say that fact will not and
can not change. Marriage is between a man and
a woman not man to man or woman to woman.

T.



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[NationalTitles18]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And Nan, they have to prove he is breaking the law...Because under "Equal Protection under the Law", Gays have the Right to engage in Unions just as Straight people do...[/B]</font>

Belle, homosexuals do have a right to be with whom they desire; however, they do not have a right to have that union recognized and sanctioned by THE PEOPLE. Marriage is not a "right"; it is a restricted privilege subject to state approval - thus the reason for obtaining a license and paying for it. No one has to pay for a "right"; it is their's free of charge. States also have the power to restrict privileges.

Those who want to compare this issue with the civil rights issues of the 50's and 60's need to wake up and smell the coffee - the two are not similar in the least.

That said, if Hawaii wants to allow gay civil unions or marriages, then that's their business, but as federal law now stipulates, Alabama should not have to recognize such unions. This issue falls to the state level mostly, but I see a challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act coming soon as being unconstituional. That will likely make it more a federal issue - one that likely will result in some type of compromise, or a long, hard battle from both sides.

 

[Bama's Belle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama-T:
Bamabelle seperation of church and state ??
This nation was founded on the belief in God
and Christian values. Sorry if you want to
ignore the obvious. The amendment say's that
the government has no right to establish a
religion per the church of England example.
This does not mean that those in government
or government itself can not or should not be
influenced by Christian values and morals.

Now to your point of homosexual rights. There
are laws in this country against the marriage
of homosexuals and they should be and need to
be upheld. Homosexuality is wrong and regard-
less of what you say that fact will not and
can not change. Marriage is between a man and
a woman not man to man or woman to woman.

T.

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Did you miss the part about freedom of Religion when they founded this country and that the church would have no say in government affairs? This country was founded by people that were christian, but it is not a christian state. That argument isnt holding at all...

 

[CrimsonNan]

And Nan, they have to prove he is breaking the law...Because under "Equal Protection under the Law", Gays have the Right to engage in Unions just as Straight people do...

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Those are Arnold's words that I merely cut and pasted from the Netscape home page. Take your argument to him.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Originally posted by NationalTitles12:
Marriage is not a "right"; it is a restricted privilege subject to state approval QUOTE]

Due to a most recent revelation, I must retract this particular statement in its entirety. I still believe the issue of gay marriage is a matter for the states currently, but it will become a federal issue soon.

 

[Bama-T]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama's Belle:

Did you miss the part about freedom of Religion when they founded this country and that the church would have no say in government affairs? This country was founded by people that were christian, but it is not a christian state. That argument isnt holding at all...

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A country founded and constitution steeped in
Christianity is bound to uphold a Christian
ethic. God is the foundation of this nation.
God is recognized in the pledge, prayer and
Gods blessings are asked before senate and
state legislatures. That is acknowledgement
of our almighty creator, God. Now that we
have established that fact let me once again
say that this same God, the God we in the
congress, state legislatures all across the land acknowledge and ask blessings from say's
that marriage is between man and woman and
that homosexuality is an abomination before
him, God. Our founding forefathers never
intended to keep God out of government but
rather keep government out of God, Jehovah
our fathers buisness.

God Bless,
T.
1st Corinthians 1:18



[This message has been edited by Bama-T (edited 02-21-2004).]

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Belle - I guess we'll just have to through out murder and an assortment of other crimes because they are specifically mentioned and forbidden in the Bible.

 

[Bama's Belle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Displaced Bama Fan:
Belle - I guess we'll just have to through out murder and an assortment of other crimes because they are specifically mentioned and forbidden in the Bible.</font>

You cant be serious...murder and an assortment of other crimes are crimes due to they fundamentally harm another being...Please dont act simple, the BIBLE has nothing to do with why these are crimes...you know that there are basic tenets of a society to where you do not have the right to take the life of another human being and that has nothing to do with christianity. Not killing someone has nothing to do with Christianity but with keeping order...Stealing, Raping, Looting, Killing, disrupt society...and thats why there are laws for that...

And whats hilarious is that you guys are serious about these questions...

 

[Bama's Belle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama-T:
A country founded and constitution steeped in
Christianity is bound to uphold a Christian
ethic. God is the foundation of this nation.
God is recognized in the pledge, prayer and
Gods blessings are asked before senate and
state legislatures. That is acknowledgement
of our almighty creator, God. Now that we
have established that fact let me once again
say that this same God, the God we in the
congress, state legislatures all across the land acknowledge and ask blessings from say's
that marriage is between man and woman and
that homosexuality is an abomination before
him, God. Our founding forefathers never
intended to keep God out of government but
rather keep government out of God, Jehovah
our fathers buisness.

God Bless,
T.
1st Corinthians 1:18

[This message has been edited by Bama-T (edited 02-21-2004).]</font>

WRONG. The First people in this country worshiped the Earth and Sky. This country was founded by people who HAPPENED to be Christian...and a bunch of them didnt really go to church themselves...but I digress...The first group of settlers over here were Spanish Catholics...Those who wrote the declaration of independence etc, just happened to be Christian Protestants...However, Jefferson had to be forced to put God in the Declaration there, seeing as he didnt believe in that...I think some of you should really do some research on the founding fathers, they are not as religious as you all would like to believe, some never went to church.

They left England because they couldnt worship as they please, do you really think that they were going to enforce our God as the only way to live? I think not.

I am a Christian, but this country was founded on a bunch of different ideas...Freedom, Liberty being a few.

This country was founded on the idea that some people werent even human beings, and you see where that went...

And at the end of the day, things change...So all the "This is a Christian Nation" in the world wont mean that things wont get changed that go against your religious principles...

Question for Nan and the rest of you...Our husbands are supposed to be able to beat us with a stick no bigger than his thumb...Are you ready for your beating? If not, why? Its a part of your religion and you should just submit to that...Isnt our country going against the Bible if there are laws prohibiting beating women?

Religion has no place in Government for All people, because there are people of differing religions, and our founding Fathers knew that...I wonder what would happen if Arabs took over this country and decided that we all should believe in poligamy and going to war against Spain because they are infidels...I wonder how you all would like to be forced into that by your...GOVERNMENT.

 

[Bama-T]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama's Belle

I am a Christian, but this country was founded on a bunch of different ideas...

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Your form of Christianity or should I say
religiousity is not what is found in the Holy Bible. Yours is the very liberal,
leftist type thinking that has poisoned this country. The Bible speaks of those
types in Romans 1:21-22 -vs-21 "Because
that when they knew God, they glorified
him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations,
and their foolish heart was darkened".

-vs-22 " Professing themselves to be
wise, they became fools,

Believe it or not Belle this country was
founded on Judeo Christian values. You can
twist, try to change, or pervert the facts
but it does not change the reality. You can
make your snide remarks to CrimsonNan and
the rest of us and attempt to make yourself
feel like your championing some great cause
and thats OK. The reality is that though you
may not realize it right now, one day you
will............

 

[ValuJet]

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[Bama's Belle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama-T:
Your form of Christianity or should I say
religiousity is not what is found in the Holy Bible. Yours is the very liberal,
leftist type thinking that has poisoned this country. The Bible speaks of those
types in Romans 1:21-22 -vs-21 "Because
that when they knew God, they glorified
him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations,
and their foolish heart was darkened".

-vs-22 " Professing themselves to be
wise, they became fools,

Believe it or not Belle this country was
founded on Judeo Christian values. You can
twist, try to change, or pervert the facts
but it does not change the reality. You can
make your snide remarks to CrimsonNan and
the rest of us and attempt to make yourself
feel like your championing some great cause
and thats OK. The reality is that though you
may not realize it right now, one day you
will............

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So in otherwords, you have no rebuttal to what I said? Ok.

I think your type of Thinking is why the hell the Founders of this country left England...

The God I know is a loving god...I leave the fate of homosexuals up to him. Isnt he the one that is going to decide their fate...

This country was founded on Freedom, you continuing to say "Judeo-Christian Values"...doesnt make it anymore true than what I think...

So Do We Beat our wives or what? Its a principle in the Bible, but its illegal in this country...Just asking...And I'd sure hate to marry a man with Huge thumbs...

 

[Bama-T]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bama's Belle:

I think your type of Thinking is why the hell the Founders of this country left England...

The God I know is a loving god...I leave the fate of homosexuals up to him. Isnt he the one that is going to decide their fate...
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I guess your use of profanity is supposed to
illustrate your point ?? I have not used any
such words to make a point with you Belle.
God is a loving God and he is also a just
and merciful God. God is also a God of judge-
ment Belle. The homosexuality thing will be
dealt with by God, you can believe that. I
still stand by what the scripture say's about the sin of homosexuality and what
becomes of those who do not repent and
turn from it. Can you show me where it
say's in Gods word where it say's it's OK
to be homosexual ?? I don't think so. As
Christians we have to protect the sanctity
of marriage and stand against those things
that are an abomination. Read your Bible
and find me a scripture where it say's it's
OK to be homosexual. There has to be a
voice of morality in this nation that stands
for God whether you liberals like it or not.