Joel Klatt blasts Aubarn and says it is a bad job

[cdub55]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1985411803715711462

 

[rjtide]

'you ain't your sister'.......

 

[mrusso]

I think it may actually be the best job in the country. Coach 2-3 years, get fired, profit.

 

[Special K]

Might be the first time I've ever agreed with Joel Klatt about anything. Ever.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Everyone on this site could have told Klatt this decades ago.

I think it may actually be the best job in the country. Coach 2-3 years, get fired, profit.

Cam Newton knows the deal.

 

[uafan4life]

He ain't wrong.

There's so much wrong with their whole Athletic Department that the Barn might not crack the Top 10 in most desirable football head-coaching jobs once this season's coaching carousel comes to a complete stop.

Of the currently open positions, I'd rank these six above the Barn:

• LSU
• Florida
• State Penn
• Arkansas (Only major school in the State, still an SEC school, decent history, plenty of money - path to winning is easier than at the Barn)
• UCLA (BigTen image and monies, plenty of money, decent history, plenty of local talent, easier path to winning than at the Barn)
• Virginia Tech (Plenty of local talent, decent money behind the program, plenty of conference cupcakes, much easier path to winning than at the Barn)

Then you have to look at what jobs might come open if any of the schools currently looking for coaches make big-name hires...

• If Steve Sarkisian goes somewhere else, I'd place Texas over the Barn.
• If Lane Kiffin goes somewhere else, I'd place Ole Miss over the Barn.
• If Matt Rhule goes somewhere else, I'd place Nebraska over the Barn.
• If Dabo Swinney goes somewhere else, I'd place Clempson over the Barn.
• If Dan Lanning goes somewhere else, I'd place Oregon over the Barn.
• If Mike Norvell goes somewhere else, I'd place FSU over the Barn.
• If Rhett Lashley goes somewhere else, I'd place SMU over the Barn. This is a new college football world and SMU has deep enough pockets to become an actual power again.

...and those are just names that have been mentioned as possibilities of going somewhere else or being high on wishlists.

Not that I anticipate many coaches at the programs on this next list to be going anywhere this year, but I'd place all of these programs above the Barn:

• Alabama
• Georgia
• Ohio State
• Notre Dame
• Michigan
• Oklahoma
• USC
• Tennessee
• Texas A&M
• Miami
• Utah

That's 25 programs I'd look at - right now and for the near future - as being more desirable than the Barn. They've got the potential to be a Top-10 offering, overall, but not until they get a lot of their own mess cleaned up. The problem is that much of that mess is what makes the Barn, the Barn - so I don't really ever see it getting cleaned up...

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Auburn just can't get out of their own way.
They worry about Bama so much that it makes them absolutely insane and hence make knee jerk decisions on coaches.
If they would ever just hire a decent coach and keep him for a few seasons and build stability within that program they would be ok. Wouldn't be Bama but would be ok.
Here's to hope that they keep the insanity train rolling.

 

[dtgreg]

Auburn just can't get out of their own way.
They worry about Bama so much that it makes them absolutely insane and hence make knee jerk decisions on coaches.
If they would ever just hire a decent coach and keep him for a few seasons and build stability within that program they would be ok. Wouldn't be Bama but would be ok.
Here's to hope that they keep the insanity train rolling.

Texas A&M did this. I hope Aub doesn't.

 

[rolltide_21]

Auburn just can't get out of their own way.
They worry about Bama so much that it makes them absolutely insane and hence make knee jerk decisions on coaches.
If they would ever just hire a decent coach and keep him for a few seasons and build stability within that program they would be ok. Wouldn't be Bama but would be ok.
Here's to hope that they keep the insanity train rolling.

This is what Gus did. You knew what to expect year in and out. Had some good years along with mediocre ones.

 

[arthurdawg]

This is what Gus did. You knew what to expect year in and out. Had some good years along with mediocre ones.

If Gus had let someone come in and revise his passing attack... He'd still be there and winning more games. Stubborn to a fault and a horrible passing attack that was mostly "chuck it down the field and pray..."

 

[cdub55]

If Gus had let someone come in and revise his passing attack... He'd still be there and winning more games. Stubborn to a fault and a horrible passing attack that was mostly "chuck it down the field and pray..."

If Gus was at a school where they had legitimate expectations for what their program actually is then he would still be the coach. Beating Alabama every 2-5 years and competing week in and week out is the ceiling for Aubarn over the long haul but they are too dumb to realize it.

 

[bamamc1]

If Gus had let someone come in and revise his passing attack... He'd still be there and winning more games. Stubborn to a fault and a horrible passing attack that was mostly "chuck it down the field and pray..."

Two run plays, 3rd and 8, throw it as far as you can down the middle of the field and hope for a miracle or a penalty. Rinse and repeat.

 

[CaliforniaTide]

Waiting for @selmaborntidefan to tap his sign of "Auburn is historically an average program, mixed with a small amount of highest of highs and lowest of lows...".

Before matriculating at Alabama, I hadn't paid attention to Auburn - other than USC beating them in LA and in Auburn under Pete Carroll. Since then, the mantra that Auburn is an average program isn't wrong, and it remains the same when you look at them historically. A good friend of mine, whom he and his wife graduated from Auburn, said that me and another guy we know are his first friends who went to Alabama. He essentially refused to be friends with Alabama fans previously.

Auburn isn't the only school to overstate their status in college football, and they won't be the last. But they could save themselves a lot of headache to worry about themselves more than being envious of Alabama.

 

[cdub55]

Two run plays, 3rd and 8, throw it as far as you can down the middle of the field and hope for a miracle or a penalty. Rinse and repeat.

And compare that to what they have witnessed the last several years under Harsin and Freeze. Malzahn's offense's looked like the 2019 LSU Tigers compared to the atrocity they have put on the field lately.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Waiting for @selmaborntidefan to tap his sign of "Auburn is historically an average program, mixed with a small amount of highest of highs and lowest of lows...".

I remember the smirks and snickers FROM AUBURN in 1998 when they chuckled at Ole Miss reacting like a scorned lover when Senator Wingnut left Oxford OUTSIDE of a pine box. But they said - and at the time rightly so - that Ole Miss was not anything but a mid-level college program whose glory days were long gone and they cleave to that like their 1958-1962 all-white football teams represent their value and ranking historically.

My how the tables have turned. Ole Miss is now a substantially better job than Opelika Tech.

Just eyeballing it (without deep analysis), Auburn ranks:
#13 in wins (I'm excluding the Ivy League teams and Wittenberg)
#19 in winning percentage (again - excluding the piles of lower level garbage)
#5 in SEC championships (8)
#6 in Heisman Trophy winners (the five ahead of them are blue bloods)

That's NOT a bad overall record for a non-Blue Blood. The problem for Auburn is that Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, and Georgia all rank ahead of them and play in the same conference. And while HISTORICALLY Florida would be ranked a tiny bit behind Auburn (43-39 Auburn leads it, a few more wins, a slightly higher pct), a comparison of the two programs since 1991 wouldn't even be all that close. (And I'm not counting Texas and OU at this point - but throw them in and Auburn might be about the 8th best coaching job in the SEC.

Auburn was never a good job - except when Alabama was in transition or on probation.

Auburn isn't the only school to overstate their status in college football, and they won't be the last. But they could save themselves a lot of headache to worry about themselves more than being envious of Alabama.

Years ago - before Dabo had his great five-year run - Stewart Mandel coined a term to describe teams you're talking about, calling it Clemson-Ole Miss Syndrome. It is the idea that the PEAK OF A PROGRAM over a short period of time represents where that team stands HISTORICALLY FOR ALL-TIME. And Mandel was using that term when Clemson kept pointing back to their lone title in 1981 as proof they were a big deal. Same thing with Ole Miss, who all through the 70s and 80s and into the 90s when I was living in Mississippi never stopped bringing up Archie Manning like he was the current NCAA passing leader. Keep in mind that after meeting us in the snowy New Orleans Sugar Bowl on January 1, 1964, Ole Miss only played in ONE big New Year's Day bowl game from that era over the next 40 years. They DID play in a pair of Gator Bowls (1971, 1991), but that was always a second-tier bowl game and not among the big money payouts or prestigious.

For 40 years, they didn't play in one bowl game that meant anything except to them. And even then - they only played in the Cotton Bowl because of the BCS. They were still no better than #3 in the SEC, maybe #4.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Waiting for @selmaborntidefan to tap his sign of "Auburn is historically an average program, mixed with a small amount of highest of highs and lowest of lows...".

Yep.

Auburn is an annual 8-4 team but they get there in the most convoluted route possible, with 3-9 seasons followed by national title contending years right on top of each other. Most annual 8-4 teams just go 8-4 six years in a row and then fall to six wins but win 10 with a new coach in his first year.

 

[BamaMoon]

He's right, for once.

The moment the barn starting thinking each year the goal should be a NC is when this started.

Ironically, sCam did this to them and they've never gotten over it. 2010 was their highest, yet lowest moment.

And, if you could go back in a time machine to 2011 again and ask barners "If you could win the NC this year after your state rivals did last year but then have to roam in the wilderness for the next 15 years would you still want it?" and 99% would sign up again!

 

[cdub55]

He's right, for once.

The moment the barn starting thinking each year the goal should be a NC is when this started.

Ironically, sCam did this to them and they've never gotten over it. 2010 was their highest, yet lowest moment.

And, if you could go back in a time machine to 2011 again and ask barners "If you could win the NC this year after your state rivals did last year but then have to roam in the wilderness for the next 15 years would you still want it?" and 99% would sign up again!

I'm 99% sure Henry David Thoreau was somewhere in Lee County when he wrote Walden Pond...

 

[tusks_n_raider]

And, if you could go back in a time machine to 2011 again and ask barners "If you could win the NC this year after your state rivals did last year but then have to roam in the wilderness for the next 15 years would you still want it?" and 99% would sign up again!

Of course…lol

It’s also hilarious because after they won that lone title we went Back to Back in 2011-2012 to one up them right back.

Then won 3 more after that in ‘15, ‘17, and ‘20

They also won the Heisman in 2010 the year after Mark and were trying to lord their Heisman totals over us.

Turns out that was their last one.

We’ve won 3 more and now have more than they do…lols

They have absolutely nothing they can brag about and I love it oh so much.

 

[cdub55]

They have absolutely nothing they can brag about and I love it oh so much.

You simple minded Bama fan...don't you know they are a FAMBLY and it is just different on the plains? Mental illness is a prerequisite to be a fan over there...