Lou Holtz remark about Tide on ESPN

[bamar]

i think it is amazing that ESPN reporting on all the corruption stories in college, and the pros, grabs these corrupt ex coaches to report on their shows. talk about hypocrisy. it is and will always be about the money.

 

[TiderinMiss]

I wouldn't waste my time worried about what Granny thinks. He was washed up before he left Notre Dame.

I hope he doesn't go into the broadcast booth again. He still can't pronounce "Tim Biakabatuka".

 

[TidenLA]

The guy makes me want to hurl....he's a terrible coach if you ask me....he had talent at ND...but the rest, he was average at best

 

[IH8Orange]

Holtz taking a jab at someone else for cheating?

Falalala...lalalala!

He's right that SC didn't pay 125,000 for any players. Six chickens, a Warn winch and a case of Skoal was all that they would offer.

 

[ncbama]

The difference is with of the exception of Arkansas Holtz had always coached at schools north of the Mason-Dixon line; however, at South Carolina he didn't have the luxury of doing whatever he wanted and getting away with it. Of course, I'm sure he never did anything wrong, and that the trouble at South Carolina is just a little misunderstanding. After all, he's never got in any big trouble before and everyone knows the football programs and coaches in the northern part of the country are pure and spotless.

Don't forget N.C. State.

 

[JSBAMA]

What was the name of the book that was written about Holtz's tenure at ND--I think it was "Under the Tarnished Dome". He did not exactly run a clean program for sure during his days at ND if this book was accurate about his time there...RTR

 

[GrandBayTider]

Didn't he coach at Arkansas? It seems I remember playing them in the Sugar Bowl and he was the coach.

 

[USCBAMA]

Holtz coached at William & Mary, then NCSU, then Ark, then Minnesota, then ND, then USC (East). He aslo spent 1 year in NFL as HC for the Jets.

So if I'm not mistaken he coached more college teams below the Mason Dixon line than above.

Not a fan of Holtz's comments, but in his defense what went on at USC was more like Bama's 1st go around with NCAA, not the most recent tour. USC's infractions weren't much, it was really their arrogance and lack of cooperation that got them in trouble. As usual Holtz not directly involved, but at some point you got to think he has an idea.

BTW, I think this is his 3rd school to have a run-in with NCAA (ND & Minnesota others).

 

[jqbama53]

Holtz

Ithink he is a pig i wish everone would stop saying ALABAMA pay that player ALABAMA did not pay anything BAMA did not pay any thing i don't know why they keep saying that ROLL TIDE

 

[TIDE-HSV]

What makes me mad...

is picking up that ridiculous quote by Uncle Miltie, when even the NCAA only claimed that $30K was paid. Holtz has done this from time to time. He likes to come up with one-line "zingers," and sometimes he ends up with a toe sandwich...

 

[Tide-one-on]

I also got to hear that this morning...what a idiot!

 

[crazy4crimson]

Lou

Now I know why spurrier did not want to keep Skip around to much like o'l pop. I used to like holtz now with that comment he just needs to go away just like his crappy motivational speeches.------ROLL TIDE

 

[BigBamaCook]

I dont care what Holtz said. There is no proof that the money was given to Means

 

[USCBAMA]

Ya'll are probably reading too much into his comment. After observing Holtz here in Columbia for 6 years I doubt he knows much at all about Bama case other than what he read in SI and heard on ESPN. He was just repeating what he knew of the case. Doesn't make it all right, but he probably forgot about it 5 seconds after he said it as he's just trying to argue his case (i.e. no pay for play, just some eligibility issues - similar to Bama's 1st go around).

I imagine Bama fan's bigger problem with Holtz is that he has beaten the Tide the last few times they've met (hopefully Bama will be a little more prepared this year as Shula did not have team prepared to play last season against Gamecocks).

 

[TerryP]

Ya'll are probably reading too much into his comment. After observing Holtz here in Columbia for 6 years I doubt he knows much at all about Bama case other than what he read in SI and heard on ESPN. He was just repeating what he knew of the case. Doesn't make it all right, but he probably forgot about it 5 seconds after he said it as he's just trying to argue his case (i.e. no pay for play, just some eligibility issues - similar to Bama's 1st go around).

I imagine Bama fan's bigger problem with Holtz is that he has beaten the Tide the last few times they've met (hopefully Bama will be a little more prepared this year as Shula did not have team prepared to play last season against Gamecocks).

It's disingenious, to say the least. Especially when weighed against the 1M + the lady at ND funneled out of the Athletic Department for extra benefits for players.

On the other hand, I'd imagine he's embarassed to say the least. After all, he's only got one stop on his resume' he didn't leave in trouble with the NC2A.

 

[Bama-94-00]

C Hurt on Holtz's comments

Cecil Hurt's comments.

Lou Holtz, the former South Carolina coach, ruffled a few feathers locally on an ESPN appearance in which he deflected questions about NCAA violations under his watch at South Carolina by saying that it “wasn’t like what happened at Alabama, where they paid $125,000 for a player."

First, to concede a point. Alabama was found guilty of violations by the NCAA and one punishment that goes along with sanctions is a loss of reputation, so such shots are bound to come at the expense of UA for years to come.

Holtz wasn’t incorrect in saying that the situations are different. But (and no offense to South Carolina and new coach Steve Spurrier, who will probably clean up the mess Holtz left behind), it is worth looking at what Holtz did do, since that was the original question.

He did recruit questionable players, then fail to control them. Thus, there were many violations that added up to a lack of institutional control, to say nothing of the embarrassing spectacle of the Gamecock players brawling like so many Jerry Springer refugees in the shabby finale of Holtz’s career.

Of course, seeing Holtz’s utter lack of personal responsibility, it’s easy to understand why his players would act that way as well.

From: Cecil Hurt article

Holtz has been involved with the NCAA investigations enough.

 

[WYTBOYZ]

If it were

up too me I say BAMA should file a slander suit against his old wrinkled butt as BAMA didn't give 125 anything to a recruit it was another idiot who did.. :eek2:

 

[USCBAMA]

Hurt's article is fairly accurate.

As for slander suit (I know it was tongue in cheek), I believe that the NCAA does not differentiate between a booster, a coach, an administrator, etc., meaning that if a booster gives $$ to a player, in their eyes it is the same as if the university in question provided the $$ - even if said university was not aware of the transaction. Wasn't this ultimately one of the things that brought down Bama's appeal to the NCAA?

My perception of Holtz after watching over the years is that he's not out there flat-out breaking the rules, he just pushes their limits. He also intentionally distances himself from admin & booster actions so if there is something going on he can honestly say he didn't know. The reaction here in Columbia is that he probably didn't know details, but he should've.

 

[dayhiker]

An the Cecil Hurt, quote of the day is: Thus, there were many violations that added up to a lack of institutional control, to say nothing of the embarrassing spectacle of the Gamecock players brawling like so many Jerry Springer refugees in the shabby finale of Holtz’s career.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Apparently...

the booster/school identification only applies to Bama. It sure as hell doesn't apply to Notre Dame or Ohio State...