LSU vs Ohio State (Pick the Winner)
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OSU has played absolutely NOBODY except Illinois and they lost. Their offense was too slow for Florida last year and they have less speed on offense against a faster SEC defense than they saw last year. They haven't gotten faster so why do people think they will be able to compete this time around? I see another route on the horizon.
The Big 10 is the weakest BCS conference in my opinion and that will be evident again.
The Big 10 is the weakest BCS conference in my opinion and that will be evident again.
On paper LSU should stomp a mud hole in OS's butt.But Less Miles is still LSU's HC so who knows it could be a very close game due to coaching or lack there of .
Brief background on myself so no one will think I am a Big Ten/tOSU homer:
Openminded Ohio State fan. Born and raised in Enterprise, AL. All extended family lives in Ohio, all around the Akron area. Father is military and retired in Alabama before I was born. Many of my family have graduated from Ohio State. Travel to Ohio religiously every year. Married Alabama alumni. Have always cheered for Alabama and followed both the SEC and Big Ten closely.
That being said, I think I (as well as other transplant fans) have a unique outlook on both the SEC and Big Ten conferences as well as Ohio State and Alabama's respective football programs. I will not go into a drawn-out tirade about it, but I felt compelled to respond to some of the comments that I have been reading. So much so, that I created an account. I am well aware that Ohio State to most in the south is not a popular school, to say the least, and I can understand that.
In response to GulfCoastTider, Ohio State's out of conference schedule this year, I agree, was subpar. But as we all know, most schedules are made a few years in advance (there are always exceptions) so who's to say that a Washington team would be at the bottom of the Pac-10 when Ohio State plays them. Also, Ohio State does not continually have a weak out of conference schedule. For the past two years, we had a home and away with a Vince Young led Texas team and beat us at home. For the next two years, we have a home and away with USC. After that we play Miami, Fl. I do not see many SEC teams matching out of conference opponents like the ones stated above.
As for rolltideas, you are correct. We got beat by a "better than normal, but still mediocre, Illinois team" at home. Can't make any excuses. And besides Penn State at home, which I am not going to debate but IS a tough place to get a win, we haven't played anyone. I am glad that we WILL have an opportunity to play a quality opponent. I do not agree with the comment that the Big Ten is the weakest BCS conference. After the disaster last year with many big name Big Ten teams losing by large margins, it definitely set the Big Ten back. I do not think that they are even in the top 3 BCS conferences this year, but that is not typically the case. I work with the biggest SEC and Alabama supporters in the state (I would be willing to bet) and excpet for this year, they all say that the SEC and Big Ten are the best conferences top to bottom. I believe the Big East is a BCS conference and if nothing else this year, I know the Big Ten is better top to bottom.
If nothing else, I know that we can all agree on one thing; Everyone reading this love how Ohio State embarrased Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl in 2006.
I welcome comments and criticism. Go Bucks and Roll Tide. Sorry South Carolina.
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Good post, hang around. The OSU thing is blown out of proportion a lot and honestly most have not even watched you play so it really doesn't mean a lot. Yall have a fine football team and just because you don't have a hard schedule does not mean you aren't good. I fully expect LSU to have their hands full.
Good post, hang around. The OSU thing is blown out of proportion a lot and honestly most have not even watched you play so it really doesn't mean a lot. Yall have a fine football team and just because you don't have a hard schedule does not mean you aren't good. I fully expect LSU to have their hands full.
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Thanks CornBiscuit. I have watched every Alabama game, either in person or on tv, as well as Ohio State so I feel that I have some factual basis to my opinion. I also try to be very honest about football, especially Ohio State. I will not butter them up any better than they actually play. As far as how this season has gone and how Ohio State even ended up playing for the BCS championship game, it only demonstrates one thing to me, we desperately need a playoff system. I am not convinced that OSU or LSU are the best two teams in the nation. I do believe that they were the two easiest one for the BCS to select. I am extremely excited that Ohio State will play LSU, a very respectible opponent. I never thought we had a chance after the Illinios game and was anxious to play/beat USC, who I loathe. I think the "SEC Speed" "Big Ten Strength" thing is taken way out of proportion. I think that Florida was just the better team last year, as much as I hate to say it. There are strong/fast players on both teams. I was not expecting Ohio State to do well at all this year. I was expecting them to be a middle-of-the-pack Big Ten team behind Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State and Illinios. I really was putting all of my "football energies" into Alabama's season and trust me, I might be a bigger OSU fan, but Alabama's losses hurt much worse than the Illinios loss, or even the possible nc loss. I assumed that Michigan would destoy us this year and play for the nc. Shows what assuming will do. I think Georgia and Missouri both got screwed. As I ended the last post, this is something I am sure we all can agree on, how awesome is this hit?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gUk7KbaiTPw
Just a comment. Ohio St. has a say in who it has as an opponent. Kent St. Youngstown St., Akron are all second tier teams. OSU schedule by the computer and analyst was around 48th. LSU was either 1st or 2nd. The SEC had seven teams in the the top 25 of toughest schedules.
Only one team was in the top twenty in the Big 10. Illinois. Not Michigan, Not OSU or Penn St.
The Big 10 placed a 9-3 Illinois in the BCS. Jim Delanny the Big 10 Commissioner would have cried for days had Illinois not got a spot. Lets see: Missouri beat Illinois in head to head competion but somehow you can not have three teams in the BCS from the same conference. Dumb rule. The Big 10 does not have a solid team this year. Ohio St. would have been 7-5 or 8-4 at best in the SEC.
OSU is 0-11 against the SEC. That is a fact. Could they beat LSU? Maybe. Will they? NO
The talent gap is huge and the skilled players are in the South not just the SEC. The ACC and Big 12 is ahead of the Big 10. The SEC sends 9 teams bowling. Could have 10 but So. Carolina either did not get a bid or Spurrier said no. Its not clear what really happened.
The SEC/Big 10 Bowl team records in 2006:
SEC (9 Teams) Ark,Ala,Aub,Fla,Ga,Ky,LSU,Ten,SC Record 6-3
Big Ten (7 Teams) Iowa,Mich,Minn,OSU,PSU,Pur,Wis Record 2-5
The Money Bowls that Really Count:
SEC in the BCS 2 - 0
Big10 in the BCS 0 - 2
Sorry I disagree. OSU and Illinois have no business in a BCS Bowl. The result for OSU will be the same just a different SEC team. OSU will play harder in 2007 but LSU win by 17.
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My gripe is that the Big-10 is not really that deep, and on top of it, the best two teams may not even play one another since there's no title game.
If someone put a gun to your head and said, "go undefeated in any BCS conference you chose, but if you lose you will die," you would be suicidal not to pick the Big-10. (Big East may deserve consideration.) Given that a team's quality in CFB is based almost solely on the "L" column, I think the Big-10 gets a lot of contempt from other conferences' fans because those fans feel like the Big-10 teams (basically OSU and Mich) have it so easy. Face it, if you win the OSU/Mich game, you are 75% there. May have to win another single tough game to get into the national title game. Of course, it's possible that either OSU or UM may not even be that good, and even still you may not have a tough out of conference opponent, as was the case for OSU this year. It just isn't like this for teams trying to contend in the Big-12, Pac-10, ACC, or especially SEC.
If someone put a gun to your head and said, "go undefeated in any BCS conference you chose, but if you lose you will die," you would be suicidal not to pick the Big-10. (Big East may deserve consideration.) Given that a team's quality in CFB is based almost solely on the "L" column, I think the Big-10 gets a lot of contempt from other conferences' fans because those fans feel like the Big-10 teams (basically OSU and Mich) have it so easy. Face it, if you win the OSU/Mich game, you are 75% there. May have to win another single tough game to get into the national title game. Of course, it's possible that either OSU or UM may not even be that good, and even still you may not have a tough out of conference opponent, as was the case for OSU this year. It just isn't like this for teams trying to contend in the Big-12, Pac-10, ACC, or especially SEC.
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As I stated above, I agree that our schedule was weak this year. It typically isn't. A Kent State has just as much say in who they play as Ohio State. They might not be able to get Ohio State to visit Kent State if they don't set up a 1 and 1, but no one is making Kent State play Ohio State. I am not ignorant though, and understand it is easier for a larger school to have a bit more "pull" in the decision process, but a Kent State can still do whatever they want. Ohio State isn't any different in this respect than any of the other schools with notarity. I am proud that we actually TRY to play big names as often as possible. On another note, I do not agree with the fact that the Big Ten does not play a conference championship. We will have a playoff system before Notre Dame stops cashing in and joins the Big Ten. So why wait? Take a Cincinnati. Take a Louisville. Take someone and play a conference championship game. The Big Ten is so wrapped up in "tradition" aka "making money" that they don't see, or care, that they are losing their fan base. Sure people will still cheer for their respective teams, but they will be less likely to support the decisions made by the Big Ten.
I really can't speak for these teams, nor do I care, except for the fact that they represent the Big Ten, and in some capacity, their performance indirectly shapes peoples perception of the Big Ten and/or Ohio State.
The Big Ten didn't place anyone anywhere. The Rose Bowl committee picked Illinios. If you want to place blame on someone, there you go. Just another point of a group choosing "tradition" over football purity. I doubt Jim Delanny would have, "cried for days," if Illinios didn't get in. I already said that I thought Georgia and Missouri got screwed and that I don't agree with the pick. Complaining about it now does nothing. We the sports fans now get to enjoy Georgia running Hawaii out of the stadium.
I think that the, "If Ohio State were in the SEC, or If (fill in the blank with any school you disapprove of that isn't in the SEC) were in the SEC," is the most played out phrase by SEC supporters. The fact is that Ohio State doesn't play in the SEC. Tennessee doesn't play in the Big Ten. We can speculate as much as we want to, but noone actually knows what record a school would have in a different conference.
You are correct. That is a fact. I know that Ohio State is 0-8 versus the SEC in bowl games, but do not know their overall record, so I will trust that 0-11 is valid. It sounds about right.
Currently, Ohio State is second only to USC with most active players in the NFL. USC has one more player. I guess the talent gap is not that huge.
No reason to be sorry. It is your opinion. The great thing is that the trophy isn't awarded to which team has the most votes in a poll. It is still awarded based on the outcome of a game.
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OSU plays a 2 or 3 games schedule every year. They don't have to ever worry about losing to Indiana, Northwestern, Minnesota and most years they can also write in a couple Ws against teams like Iowa and others. Their non-conference schedule was pathetic this year and they play one good team a year out of conference at best which isn't saying a heck of a lot. LSU played Va Tech, UF plays FSU every year, Bama played Oklahoma a couple years ago, MSU played WVU the past couple years, Vandy went to Michigan last year, AU played USC home and home a couple years ago and opens with WVU next year, Ole Miss played Missouri this year, South Carolina plays Clemson every year, Tennessee played Cal the past two years and on and on. Don't tell me the SEC doesn't play out of conference games against good opponents, they do. Good teams also can't pencil in 5-6 conference wins like OSU can before the season even starts.
Very good posts woodster. There are not many SEC fans that want to get into an argument of non conference schedules. The fact that a SEC team or Big Ten team wins their conference speaks for itself. I live an die by what Alabama does on Sat, but will also cheer for OSU with my best friend who is from Columbus. We both live in western Ky and are the only ones that understand how important college football is! The argument people are making about talent gap I believe is really off base. OSU will put 3 guys from defense in the top 15 picks next year (if a couple leave early) and you put that with the best oline in the country and a pretty good running back, LSU will have their hands full. I believe the only advantage LSU has is a home game. Good Luck and "Hit them Hard and See how they Fall"
Isn't that like saying that Alabama doesn't ever have to worry about losing to Mississippi State, Ole Miss or Vandy?
I agree that OSU's schedule this year was not that tough, but usually they play at least 1 very tough non conference game, which is what you just quoted each SEC team doing. The SEC is much better from top to bottom than any conference, but we as Alabama fans are absolutely disgusted if Vanderbilt, Miss State, Ole Miss or KY beat us. I know Miss State and KY are going bowling this year, but KY will be back to reality next year after graduation and Miss State SHOULD not beat us. Ohio State pretty much took care of business this year. Other schools had every opportunity to be there, but could not close it out against teams like Pitt and Stanford! This is actually a championship game I am looking forward too. I do believe there were 2 other teams that could have a gripe (Oklahoma and Georgia), but then OSU and LSU would have the same gripe!
Bama hasn't beaten Mississippi State in two years.
The only real gimme is the SEC is Vandy.
Just to clarify: If you have a good team in the Big11 you can pencil in 5-6 wins. If OSU has a year in which they worry about losing to Minnesota or the other bottom dwellers then they are in trouble. On the other hand the better teams in the SEC always have to worry about losing to any one of at LEAST 6 SEC teams each year.
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That is my point. You can't just assume any team is a gimmie. That's why games are played.
The fact that Alabama hasn't beaten a weaker SEC school, doesn't mean that they still aren't a weaker SEC school. I believe that there are just as many "gimmies" in the SEC as there are in the Big Ten.
Yes, that's how it is in the SEC. In the Big11 you have a lot more awful teams that can be looked over. I mean, there's no chance that OSU was going to lose to Northwestern or Minneosta or Purdue this year and they outscored them 111-14. Meanwhile LSU lost to Kentucky and Arkansas, two teams in the bottom half of the conference.
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