Mark Ingram Chosen for CFB Hall of Fame

[Special K]

Well deserved of course.

Ingram to CFB HoF

 

[davefrat]

Apparently there are some Heisman winners not in the HOF but that doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to me.

How can you win that award and not be a shoo-in for the HOF?

 

[Elefantman]

Apparently there are some Heisman winners not in the HOF but that doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to me.

How can you win that award and not be a shoo-in for the HOF?

According to AI

Notable Heisman Winners Not Inducted​

Reggie Bush	2005	USC	Award vacated due to NCAA violations
Jason White	2003	Oklahoma	Led team to national championship
Gino Torretta	1992	Miami	Two-time national champion
Chris Weinke	2000	Florida State	Led team to national championship
Ty Detmer	1990	BYU	Set multiple NCAA passing records

 

[selmaborntidefan]

How can you win that award and not be a shoo-in for the HOF?

Mostly because the Heisman has been one of the biggest jokes ever played on college football fans.

Tim Brown was a superb athlete, a phenomenal football player. He's a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. His winning the Heisman in 1987 - a receiver and kick returner on an 8-4 team - over Don McPherson (who had the same credentials Vinny Testaverde used to win it the previous year - QB on an unbeaten team who led the nation in TDs), Lorenzo White (who took Sparty to the Rose Bowl and won it), and Thurman Thomas was a damn joke.

I understand that there can be reasonable disagreement sometimes - Flutie over Robbie Bosco, George Rogers over Herschel Walker, White over Fitzgerald, etc. But we've had some flat out stinkers as winners from time to time. Torretta only won it because his team was going for "3 in 4 years" and he was 26-1 as a starter, but nothing else about him meant anything.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

According to AI

Notable Heisman Winners Not Inducted​

Reggie Bush	2005	USC	Award vacated due to NCAA violations
Jason White	2003	Oklahoma	Led team to national championship
Gino Torretta	1992	Miami	Two-time national champion
Chris Weinke	2000	Florida State	Led team to national championship
Ty Detmer	1990	BYU	Set multiple NCAA passing records

AI lies. Or is incomplete anyway.

1) Jason White didn't lead 2003 Oklahoma to the national championship. He won a ring in 2000 as a redshirt, their QB was Josh Heupel.

2) Calling Gino Torretta a two-time national champion is really stretching it. He started their only loss in their 1989 title campaign - the starting QB was Craig Erickson.

3) OK, yes, Weinke did lead FSU to the national title - but not in 2000 when he won the Heisman.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Apparently there are some Heisman winners not in the HOF but that doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to me.

How can you win that award and not be a shoo-in for the HOF?

Heisman Trophy actually isn't even a criteria. The first criteria would be that any player must have earned a First Team All American honor by an NCAA recognized selector. I don't think it has ever happened before, but it's theoretically possible for a Heisman winner to be snubbed on this front, thus making them ineligible. It will also be interesting to see if Johnny Manzeil gets in, as he just now recently became eligibile. There is a "good citizen" criteria that could potentially disqualify him.

 

[davefrat]

Mostly because the Heisman has been one of the biggest jokes ever played on college football fans.

Tim Brown was a superb athlete, a phenomenal football player. He's a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. His winning the Heisman in 1987 - a receiver and kick returner on an 8-4 team - over Don McPherson (who had the same credentials Vinny Testaverde used to win it the previous year - QB on an unbeaten team who led the nation in TDs), Lorenzo White (who took Sparty to the Rose Bowl and won it), and Thurman Thomas was a damn joke.

I understand that there can be reasonable disagreement sometimes - Flutie over Robbie Bosco, George Rogers over Herschel Walker, White over Fitzgerald, etc. But we've had some flat out stinkers as winners from time to time. Torretta only won it because his team was going for "3 in 4 years" and he was 26-1 as a starter, but nothing else about him meant anything.

I don’t care it’s just odd to me.

I get that winning an NFL MVP isn’t in any way a lock for the HOF because we’re usually talking about a decade of pro ball before one can even have such a career, but with a college “career” usually lasting 3-4 years for most top level talent if you are recognized as the best player in the country that would seem to carry a lot more weight.

 

[davefrat]

Heisman Trophy actually isn't even a criteria. The first criteria would be that any player must have earned a First Team All American honor by an NCAA recognized selector. I don't think it has ever happened before, but it's theoretically possible for a Heisman winner to be snubbed on this front, thus making them ineligible. It was also to be interesting to see if Johnny Manzeil gets in, as he just now recently became eligibile. There is a "good citizen" criteria that could potentially disqualify him.

I looked up the criteria earlier.

Has anyone ever won the Heisman and not been a first team AA?

That would seem kind of ridiculous but certainly possible.

The rules also say something about getting a degree as well, although I can’t imagine every member of the HOF got a degree.

 

[Elefantman]

AI lies. Or is incomplete anyway.

1) Jason White didn't lead 2003 Oklahoma to the national championship. He won a ring in 2000 as a redshirt, their QB was Josh Heupel.

2) Calling Gino Torretta a two-time national champion is really stretching it. He started their only loss in their 1989 title campaign - the starting QB was Craig Erickson.

3) OK, yes, Weinke did lead FSU to the national title - but not in 2000 when he won the Heisman.

How dare you insinuate that AI is capable of lying.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

I looked up the criteria earlier.

Has anyone ever won the Heisman and not been a first team AA?

That would seem kind of ridiculous but certainly possible.

I actually just looked it up, and I guess the All American teams are named AFTER the Heisman ceremony, so I guess that makes it probably very unlikely it would ever happen. The AA voters would undoubtedly be influenced by that.

 

[CrimsonTheory]

Congrats to Mark Ingram. Well deserve.

 

[bamadwain]

Apparently there are some Heisman winners not in the HOF but that doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to me.

How can you win that award and not be a shoo-in for the HOF?

Kinda like Dale Murphy winning 2 mvps but is not in hall of fame because he didn't hit 509 hrs!

 

[22Musso22]

 

[JDCrimson]

So what are they going to do for future inductees who played for 5 different schools?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I don’t care it’s just odd to me.

I get that winning an NFL MVP isn’t in any way a lock for the HOF because we’re usually talking about a decade of pro ball before one can even have such a career, but with a college “career” usually lasting 3-4 years for most top level talent if you are recognized as the best player in the country that would seem to carry a lot more weight.

I “get” what you are saying, I really do. It is completely logical. Most Heisman Trophy winners were among the best players in college football for at least two, often three, and sometimes four years.

 

[TideRollsInPa]

Congratulations Mark Ingram. We'll deserved. Roll Tide

 

[CoolBreeze]

All the best players from the Capstone are great athletes, good human beings and outstanding ambassadors for the University. Mark Ingram is definitely one of the best. Well done sir!

 

[Windsortide]

Congratulations MI and thanks for the memories! Well deserved.