Mark McGwire admits what everybody knew, using steroids

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He didn't use them to hit homeruns. He used them to physically be able to play and heal from injury quicker and to slow down the break down of the body with age. McGwire when healthy didn't need roids to hit one out of the park. But McGwire was injury prone for much of his career. He could hardly keep himself on the field to even play much less hit homeruns.
I agree that the roids prolonged his career to some degree. However, I would argue that the roids didn't prevent injuries but were the reasons for his injuries. Steroids can weaken joints and ligaments. Weakened joints and ligaments ca lead to a slew of injuries, since your body has more mass and weaker joints and ligaments trying to operate this additional mass.

I think if he didn't use steroids, he wouldn't have suffered as many injuries and may have still hit hundreds of home runs. Sadly, we'll never know.
 

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The MLB HoF is a joke, so let them in. Has there ever been a Yankee that won a WS ring NOT make the HoF? The old boys club decides membership, not baseball accomplishments.

McGwire was a caricature of a man. He is now desperate for a job in MLB, the sport that he betrayed. If the creeps that run the sport want him back, who am I to complain...
 
The MLB HoF is a joke, so let them in. Has there ever been a Yankee that won a WS ring NOT make the HoF? The old boys club decides membership, not baseball accomplishments.
Bingo. The baseball hall of fame and the people who vote for it (Including the ridiculous standards they set - i.e. intentionally keeping deserving people off of the first ballot just because) are two main reasons why I can't stand baseball.
 

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As relates to Mark McGwire's confession. After watching his interviews I came away with the feeling that Mark was genuinely remorseful for his participation in taking performance enhancing drugs. I also think that he felt that he took them so that he could recover from injury quicker and prolong his career. I think roids and HGH does that. In the process however we know it makes you stronger. I don’t see anything to be gained in this argument. I think the issue here is Mark admitted his mistakes and in the process he is asking for our forgiveness. I as a human being do not have any problem granting forgiveness to anyone who has done something wrong if I feel that the request is genuine. I feel that Mark’s confession was genuine. HOWEVER my granting Mark grace does not mean that Mark does not have to face the responsibility for his actions. That could be never being admitted to the Hall of Fame, having his records in baseball not recognized as official records, etc. I don’t have any problem with these kind of penalties and think they are just penalties. But I think Mark’s admission of his guilt, whether 5 yrs late or not, is very refreshing and I think that other athletes with the same problem should do the same. I reserve the right to modify my feelings toward Mark depending on his continued denouncement of performance enhancing drugs.
 

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Clubfitter,

I also feel that he is genuinely remorseful for his steroid use. He has said that he does not care about the HoF. If that is true, he should actually come out and say that he would not accept entrance into the HoF if voted in. That would prove to the world that he knows that his actions hurt the sport and set a precedent. It might even help get others to come clean so this sorry chapter in American sports can be closed forever.

As for HGH - it is being used by everyday Americans now - not just athletes. Sylvester Stallone said a few years ago that HGH would soon be accepted as the "fountain of youth" around the world. He may be right...
 

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Clubfitter,


As for HGH - it is being used by everyday Americans now - not just athletes. Sylvester Stallone said a few years ago that HGH would soon be accepted as the "fountain of youth" around the world. He may be right...

I have been taking an HGH supplement for at least 5 yrs now (not the injection of the drug but proteins & other natural substances to stimulate the pituitary gland to produce HGH naturally). There is no doubt in my mind that it has given me a better quality of life. Have read that Injecting HGH could be harmful.

I respect your opinion but I don't believe that Mark has to say I will not accept a HOF vote. It would not dissapoint me if he is never voted in the HoF though.
 

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he only half-... admitted to using them. Rather than leaving it at "I screwed up", he went to say that he wishes he'd never played in the Steroid Era, like it was the era's fault and not his.

I fell for everything, I admit. Mark saved baseball. Sammy helped save baseball. And I was right there watching and cheering with every swat. I grew up in Huntsville and watched Mark and Jose (among others) during their brief stays there. I watched as the Bash Brothers swatted homers together in Oakland. I loved it! And as McGwire closed in on the record, I was spell bound.

Now I know he'll never get in the Hall; at least he shouldn't get it. A vote for the Hall is a vote of confidence. I heard someone today say that a vote for the Hall is a vote that says "I endorse your career." Well, what voter in their right mind can endorse his career?

To the steroids. While they can't increase eye-hand coordination, they can improve fast twitch muscle fibers. What that means is that, in addition to improved strength which can be the difference between a warning track ball and a ball that hits the 3rd row, they can give you the extra split second you need to hit the sweet ANYONE in this day and age try to convince us otherwise?
I was thinking that too, but I listened to an interview with a doctor that stated that the roids do, in fact, enable better eyesight as well, so you are able to see the ball faster which, in turn, enables a quicker response toward the swing. So, that shot my theory out of the water. (if that doctor is correct in his beliefs)
 

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NYBamafan and Clubfitter, I'll bet good money that both of you believed Bill Clinton when he said he "never had sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky". And just before the impeachment process, standing there with a saddened, pitiful looking face, telling the world how sorry he was for lying to the American people about his "ho" chasing. These people put on the best acts when they know it could affect their future.

I'm not a hard-hearted person by any stretch of the imagination, but this world is full of people that will dress in their rags, go to the welfare department, get their government check, then go back home, dress in their stylin' and profilin' clothes for a night on the town in their Aston Martin.
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
 

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NYBamafan and Clubfitter, I'll bet good money that both of you believed Bill Clinton when he said he "never had sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky". And just before the impeachment process, standing there with a saddened, pitiful looking face, telling the world how sorry he was for lying to the American people about his "ho" chasing...​
At the time, I wanted Clinton thrown from office for his acts.

Try not to make broad assumptions. You haven't been on this board long enough to even begin to know the posters...​
 

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At the time, I wanted Clinton thrown from office for his acts.

Try not to make broad assumptions. You haven't been on this board long enough to even begin to know the posters...
You thought you knew me while trying to give me some grief before I had posted 3 times. I don't worry about getting to know the posters before commenting on what is posted, so you can come down off that high horse of yours. You followed me around the board so much and nitpicked my entries so much that I thought you might have a childhood crush on me. You just post what you wish and I'll do the same. What goes around comes around. If you don't want to read mine, there's a block or ignore feature that will eliminate that for you.
Another old saying, "practice what you preach" comes to mind. If you don't want grief, don't give it.

Now, let's get back on topic.
 
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...You followed me around the board so much and nitpicked my entries so much that I thought you might have a childhood crush on me...
LOL - see my post count? I read almost every thread on the FB, RC, NS, HS & Pro boards. Yeah, I spend way too much time here because it is my only connection to Bama and it is a very well run board.

Nothing personal, ever - just replying.

Peace... :cheers2:
 

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Now, let's all have one big :grouphug: and act like old buds. ;)
That's better. NYBama is right... he nitpicks everybody, so don't take it personally. :biggrin::biggrin:

(Do note, however, that referring to one's own po*t cou*t is a no-no, I think.)
 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Relayer
That's better. NYBama is right... he nitpicks everybody, so don't take it personally.


(Do note, however, that referring to one's own po*t cou*t is a no-no, I think.)


You trying to start somthin'?

There you go! Now, you two go at it and "I'll" watch for a while. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
 

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Sorry to grave dig a bit, but I have to add in my .02. I don't post much, and I don't claim to be an expert in any field, but I have personally used steroids before. I did what seemed like months and months of research before I ever took my foray into it, and would like to add some comments. This is going to be a long post.

I find it funny, looking back on it now, realizing that Mark McGwire and the media exposed his steroid use back in 1998. Does anybody remember the locker room reporter who asked what that bottle of pills with the lable "Andro" was? I do, and though I didn't really care what it was then, I do now.

Andro, known as Androstenedione is a real deal androgenic anabolic steroid (AAS). It was DEA-legal to sell and buy back in 1998. There are a variety of chemical structure compounds, but the one in that bottle was most likely 1-Androstene-3b-ol,17-one. It is regarded as the best overall compound for strength and mass gain when not stacked with any other AAS. Somehow, McGwire was able to cover it up with saying it was just a "supplement," just like his creatine. It was Mark McGwire who pretty much single-handedly caused creatine to gain huge popularity. People knew creatine wasn't an AAS then, and so assumed that andro wasn't an AAS because it was a pill just like creatine. It's pretty amazing to look at that and wonder just how nobody really investigated the issue thoroughly enough to get him suspended or banned from baseball.

Personally, I think 4-androstenedione is a pretty weak AAS overall. You typically have to take 300-600 mg of it to see results, and that's a lot. 4-androstenedione is more popular these days as a PCT (post-cycle therapy) drug, as it helps get natural testosterone production in the adrenal gland back to normal levels. It still gives a noticeable strength and size gain, but there's another DEA-legal AAS available.

You would have to assume that a high-profile athlete like McGwire would have access to a chemist who would advise McGwire to use 4-andro as a PCT or in-season cycle. He did. Patrick Arnold was the primary BALCO chemist who introduced androstenedione to the market, along with 1-androstenediol and DMT. 4-andro remains in your system for about 5-6 weeks in large enough traces to fail a sports doping test. That's a pretty quick turnaround, especially considering popular injectibles like deca-durabolin remains 18 months, dianabol 5 months, and winstrol 2 months.

I can't speak for personal strength gains on 4-andro. I never took it. The one and only cycle I did 3 years ago was superdrol. The chemical compound of that is 2a,17adimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol. Seems like it would be similar to 4-andro since it looks similar, but even the slightest difference could completely change what it does to you. In this case, the 17a-chain makes it a methylated orally bioavailable compound, which does two things:

1) puts a lot of strain on the liver, making a liver supplement mandatory

2) makes it significantly more potent with a much lower dosage

I only had to take 20 mg of superdrol a day, compared to the 300-600 mg of 4-andro required. That was a 4 week cycle, followed with a 4 week PCT, which were supplements that strengthened the liver, joints, lowered blood pressure, reduced estrogen count, reduced bloat, lowered heart rate, et. al.

I looked up some old lifting logs I kept during that 4 week "on" cycle, and here were the results. First lift is week one, 2nd lift is week 4.

Bench 290 X 2 ......330 X 2

Squat 365 X 2 ........405 X 4

Deadlift 405 X 3 ........405 X 7

Overhead Press 185 X 6 ........215 X 4

body weight 197 lbs ......212 lbs

body fat % 8% .........7%

I know those numbers are weak compared to beasts like Trent Richardson, who I'm told is bench pressing 425 and squatting 630 right now, but for my body weight I was elated at the results. Please don't misinterpret that as me accusing Trent of using AAS, as I've met him face to face and his muscle structure just doesn't have that roid look. He's just a genetic freak and I'm not.:biggrin:


Superdrol is not known as Superdrol anymore, because it was banned by the FDA years ago, and the company that made it went out of business. Superdrol is made by several companies under different names now. They were the premier source of AAS to amateur and pro athletes of all sports, and when the new round of doping testing came about that could detect it and get players kicked out of leagues and the Olympics, that's when the company went out of business. The interesting thing is the actual drug, 2a,17adimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol is still very much DEA legal. It does dot appear on the schedule III banned substances list. In fact, in January 4 2010, three new AAS were added to the list. Pheraplex, 19-tren-tfo and DMT, but not Superdrol. It's FDA banned, meaning your grocery store and GNC can't sell it, but it's still legal to buy and sell, which is strange considering it's probably the most potent one available, and pretty much the last legal AAS available.

I enjoyed my 8 week journey into what AAS can do to your body. It was an interesting experiment, and I didn't have to sneak or smuggle anything because not one bit of anything I took was illegal. I'll never do it again though, because I'm not obsessed with looking like a cartoon character anymore and it was pretty expensive to buy all the support supplements needed to do it safely. I will say this though: in those 8 weeks I've never felt better in my entire life. I was happy, energetic, had lots of energy, and was upbeat all the time. I didn't have roid rage, and I hardly had any side effects at all, because I used AAS the safe and correct way with proper supporting supplements and PCT. I had a bit of high blood pressure and I had some headaches and queasiness from time to time, but that was it.
 

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Mav^, glad you took that stuff and not me just because all of those chemicals sound a bit scary, but what is your body like now? You might be the kind that works out regularly, and just out of curiosity, are you still satisfied with your body now? I'm trying, I guess, to ask if your muscular mass took a nose dive or were you able to keep it up without the help of the chems?
 

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It's funny, a lot of guys I used to lift with swear they haven't taken roids for a long time, and they all look pretty stout. Nothing like they used to of course, but still above average. I too, still have broad shoulders and a barrel chest, even though I haven't lifted weights in about a year. In fact, I just started back lifting about 3 weeks ago. That first week was very humbling in terms of the amount of weight I could lift, but it's coming back pretty fast. I'm 170 lbs right now with around 10% body fat. That's pretty decent for not doing any prolonged physical activity in a year.

The theory is if your body ever gets to that elite point physically, it doesn't take long at all for your muscle memory to kick in. Because your body at one point could lift a lot of weight, the muscle fiber remembers how to trigger that fast-twitch fiber. It doesn't happen to everybody that way, but it does for a lot of people.

The most prolific example of this is Kevin Levrone. He is a former IFBB bodybuilder. Of course he was juicing in his competition days, and will readily admit that, but last year he began a journey to get back in shape. I think he is 44 years old, and he did it all clean, not even supplements. He took a roid test and showed the paperwork results to prove it.

Day 1:



Week 5:




That's a pretty incredible transformation for a 20 year old in 5 weeks, much less a 44 year old man. Of course, he's tiny compared to his competition days. He's a special case, and I'm sure his freakish genetics plays a big role to be able to do that, but I believe that because he had so much testosterone running through his body in his 30s has conditioned his body to respond extremely well to muscular retention and conditioning.
 

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