the extreme thing is that guns are the leading cause of death in children in our nation
Mass/Active Shooters, Part **FIVE**
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There are background checks when you purchase a firearm.
I couldn’t leave the gun store with my pistol because my name was the same as a person who has caused trouble in my area. I had to wait until that confusion was fixed.
There will always be a way to hurt someone. We need conflict resolution therapy in this country. By “conflict” I mean the friction between what happens in the world versus what we wanted to happen.
We have dehumanized each other to the point that some people legitimately feel like they are eliminating an evil from the world when something like this happens.
I couldn’t leave the gun store with my pistol because my name was the same as a person who has caused trouble in my area. I had to wait until that confusion was fixed.
There will always be a way to hurt someone. We need conflict resolution therapy in this country. By “conflict” I mean the friction between what happens in the world versus what we wanted to happen.
We have dehumanized each other to the point that some people legitimately feel like they are eliminating an evil from the world when something like this happens.
Certainly, from the hip:
* Ensure we are enforcing the laws we currently have on gun ownership. Many times the laws and systems we have in place aren't properly being enforced. I work in government so I see this firsthand on a daily basis.
* Gun ownership shouldn't be as easy as walking into an Academy and buying a gun. Gun ownership carries an enormous responsibility and I think there needs to be required classes and licenses that are to be renewed on a three-year basis. My dad taught me the utmost respect for firearms and firearm safety. It's not something to be taken lightly. Certain types of firearms like BB guns, pellet rifles, and low-powered firearms wouldn't fall into this requirement.
* Limits on ammo purchases within a set time frame. Hell, Kroger puts a limit on how many family packs of ribeyes I can buy at once when they're on sale, so I wouldn't have an issue with ammo being the same.
* Age limit on who can buy a gun. I know people who are 18 can serve our country but not all 18-year-olds serve our country. I struggle with a law that says anyone under 21 cannot buy alcohol but they can buy a gun and the ammo that goes with it.
Those are a few from my hip but those are forward-looking and don't address the fact that currently we have millions of guns in people's hands who have no business having a gun or access to guns. I don't have an answer to that and I can't think of a realistic solution that wouldn't cause riots across the country. I think a focus on education of gun ownership and responsibility needs to be a huge emphasis in our country. I just don't think extreme ideas of pricing the majority of citizens out of gun ownership is a realistic solution. Again, I truly believe if something like that were implemented there would be shooting riots all over the country. Remember, there are more guns than people in our society, so before any politician decides to go "I'll show them" he/she better realize "them" can do a lot of catastrophic damage.
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I don't see common sense conflict resolution ever happening in this country because frankly, I just don't believe people really want it. Your second paragraph here does a good job introducing why that is. Evolution has programmed humanity into wanting to "win" over the other tribes because that is what kept our ancestors alive in the never-ending quest for resources. If we could just turn that off, many of our problems would go away, but that simply isn't possible.
Oh I get it and I agree. But everyone who is pro-gun ownership does not think like the gun lobbyists. I've just found over the years that extreme solutions tend to produce extreme unintended consequences.
I get what you're saying with "wanting to win" on normal policy issues, but in this case "wanting to win" is wanting to save literally thousands of children's lives. How can anyone justify opposition to that?
Do they want that, though? Lets say you're arguing the point with a conservative and he or she immediately comes back with something along the lines of, "if you really cared about kids, you'd be pro-life" or "if you care about kids so much, why are you okay with experimental surgeries and hormone blockers?" See how that works? You'll never convince these people you really care about children and frankly, they will never be able to convince you they care, either.
It always devolves into semantics and nothing really happens. I'm not saying I've accepted this, but I do acknowledge it. Also (and I know this is going to cause some steam) I'm not at all convinced that people in general really care about these things unless they are close to a victim (or maybe perp.) Children have always been a useful tool for restructuring social policy, but it's not really about the kids for most people.
I support all of those and more. Let’s at least start where we can agree and work outward from there.Certainly, from the hip:
* Ensure we are enforcing the laws we currently have on gun ownership. Many times the laws and systems we have in place aren't properly being enforced. I work in government so I see this firsthand on a daily basis.
* Gun ownership shouldn't be as easy as walking into an Academy and buying a gun. Gun ownership carries an enormous responsibility and I think there needs to be required classes and licenses that are to be renewed on a three-year basis. My dad taught me the utmost respect for firearms and firearm safety. It's not something to be taken lightly. Certain types of firearms like BB guns, pellet rifles, and low-powered firearms wouldn't fall into this requirement.
* Limits on ammo purchases within a set time frame. Hell, Kroger puts a limit on how many family packs of ribeyes I can buy at once when they're on sale, so I wouldn't have an issue with ammo being the same.
* Age limit on who can buy a gun. I know people who are 18 can serve our country but not all 18-year-olds serve our country. I struggle with a law that says anyone under 21 cannot buy alcohol but they can buy a gun and the ammo that goes with it.
Those are a few from my hip but those are forward-looking and don't address the fact that currently we have millions of guns in people's hands who have no business having a gun or access to guns. I don't have an answer to that and I can't think of a realistic solution that wouldn't cause riots across the country. I think a focus on education of gun ownership and responsibility needs to be a huge emphasis in our country. I just don't think extreme ideas of pricing the majority of citizens out of gun ownership is a realistic solution. Again, I truly believe if something like that were implemented there would be shooting riots all over the country. Remember, there are more guns than people in our society, so before any politician decides to go "I'll show them" he/she better realize "them" can do a lot of catastrophic damage.
Now if I could get Kroger to lift the limit of family pack Ribeyes I can buy when they're on sale. #freetheribeyes #stoptheinjustice #persecuted
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This Democratic Administration needs to mobilize the state national guards and march into these large metropolitan areas and travel door to door and check every gun in the premises. If the occupants can’t provide legal proof of ownership, the gun should be taken and the occupants arrested.
More people=more guns=more people needlessly shot.
More people=more guns=more people needlessly shot.
You have to register to vote. That for "election security". Why not register to exercise your 2A rights also? Is the 2A more sacrosanct than the right to vote? (asking the naysayers)
Humans have never NOT dehumanized each other. It's been far worse than this before in many ways. You don't have to go too far back in history to see it, either. My parents even did it with the "those people don't think like we do here in the US. They don't value life the way we do" about the Vietnamese and other people as well. It's always done in war and it's typically done when referring to any group not one's own. This is nothing new. Conflict resolution is a nice idea but, for certain people, it's not going to work. Someone who is compelled to just go shoot people en masse...I'm thinking that person needed some serious help for a while. And there, we're just talking disturbed individuals. Look at the cruelties brought down on groups of humans by other groups of humans throughout world history. Look at the leaders who inspired their people to carry those things out. Look at those leaders doing it now and the people they snare and realize a good many of them are also disturbed.
Personally, I'm fine with registering guns and I'll go one further. I'm fine with someone having to take a test to prove competency with firearms before they are allowed to purchase or own. Of course, I feel the same way about voting. Can't pass a basic civics exam? No vote for you. Get out and don't come back until you can pass.
Democrats wouldn’t do this anyway, it’s political suicide. Its just easy pickings to have Republicans play the “bad guy” on this issue.
Sorry its not a mass shooting but still important:
16-year-old arrested, 15-year-old boy killed in shooting inside Maryland high school
JOPPATOWNE, Md. — The first week of school ended in tragedy at a high school northeast of Baltimore on Friday where a 15-year-old boy was shot and killed by another student, according to local law enforcement.
A 16-year-old suspect is in custody and expected to be charged as an adult.
Two days after the tragic shooting at Apalachee High School in Georgia, students at Joppatowne High School ended their first week of the school year with one of their classmates killed in another senseless school shooting.
The shooting happened at 12:36 p.m. inside a first-floor bathroom at Joppatowne High School, which is in the town of Joppatowne that has a population just over 13,000 people.
The victim was air-lifted from the baseball field to an area hospital where Harford County Sheriff Jeff Gahler said the boy was in serious condition at that time. The boy later died at the hospital.
Gahler identified the victim as Waren Curtis Grant, 15.
The suspect has not yet been identified due to his age, but Gahler said once they charge him as an adult, they will publicly release his name.
Gahler said the 16-year-old suspect was taken into custody within minutes of the shooting thanks to "community members." Gahler did not say whether or not those community members were other students.
16-year-old arrested, 15-year-old boy killed in shooting inside Maryland high school
JOPPATOWNE, Md. — The first week of school ended in tragedy at a high school northeast of Baltimore on Friday where a 15-year-old boy was shot and killed by another student, according to local law enforcement.
A 16-year-old suspect is in custody and expected to be charged as an adult.
Two days after the tragic shooting at Apalachee High School in Georgia, students at Joppatowne High School ended their first week of the school year with one of their classmates killed in another senseless school shooting.
The shooting happened at 12:36 p.m. inside a first-floor bathroom at Joppatowne High School, which is in the town of Joppatowne that has a population just over 13,000 people.
The victim was air-lifted from the baseball field to an area hospital where Harford County Sheriff Jeff Gahler said the boy was in serious condition at that time. The boy later died at the hospital.
Gahler identified the victim as Waren Curtis Grant, 15.
The suspect has not yet been identified due to his age, but Gahler said once they charge him as an adult, they will publicly release his name.
Gahler said the 16-year-old suspect was taken into custody within minutes of the shooting thanks to "community members." Gahler did not say whether or not those community members were other students.
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