Bama Game Thread: MBB Bama vs Vandy at Memorial - Wed Jan 7 8p CST ESPN2

[CrimsonNagus]

It feels like "need more big men" has been an issue for a decade + now, even before Oats. Do bigs just not want to play at Bama?

 

[AlistarWills]

Philon was being treated for “full body cramps” last night.

 

[countrytider]

It feels like "need more big men" has been an issue for a decade + now, even before Oats. Do bigs just not want to play at Bama?

I think it’s a combination of a true big doesn’t want to play in that system, and also Oats’ doesn’t want a true big. If you can’t shoot the three ball, Oats’ isn’t recruiting you.

Also let me add: I hate that gym. It’s an absolutely ridiculous setup and always has been.

Vandy has one of the best built in home court advantages in all of college basketball.

Combine that with incompetent offficiating (at best) and playing there is extremely difficult.

As long as Philon and Sherrell get back, we will be fine.

Roll Tide.

 

[day-day]

It may be bad that Bama only plays Vanderbilt on the road this season if both teams are near the top of the league at the end of the season. These usually work out but it can be frustrating.

It is not always good for one team even when the refs "call it even". A loosely called game favors the team that relies on pushing, shoving, hand-checking, and holding on defense. I missed the game so I don't know about the officiating so this may not apply.

 

[HsvFan58]

Do you remember the time between mid Gottfried and the arrival of CNO?

I remember. I'm not saying we're no better now than then. All I'm saying is we'll never win a title with Oats' style of play.

 

[BamaMoon]

In defense of CNO, Sherrell is a legit big (who also can shoot a 3) but was injured and couldn't play. Williamson has been a disappointment so far (also a 7 footer) and the big true freshman is out indefinitely with a health problem. That kid was going to give us some quality minutes in the paint.

Add to that Bol Bowen is 6' 10" and we Bristow is around that too.

He's tried to be consistent with his vision of what type of Big he wants, but right now, the injury bug has bitten us hard.

I do think in the future we might see him go out of the box and target a big nasty or two. It reminds me of the football debate about CKD and the "type" of offensive linemen he "wants." I can guarantee you they both "see the problem," but they also have to take the proper steps to address the issue.

 

[dayhiker]

Speaking of Bristow, he got back for Illinois, was huge, and really has disappeared since. That's been a bit of a surprise to me.

 

[dayhiker]

We do remember and we're very thankful that the program is infinitely better than that time period. But we are past that and are a top 15 program now consistently. You would just like to see some tweaks and small changes to the system to try and break through the championship ceiling. We're 7 seasons in on CNO's tenure. Like the poster said, it just seems like repeat every year when the threes aren't falling. That's where I am also. I enjoy Alabama basketball where it's at but you sure would like to see some small changes to get to the next level.

I do agree with that.

 

[Bama Shoals]

I do agree with that.

It's just like we're a nice novelty. Every Alabama game, they say Alabama and Nate Oats just like to shoot threes and shots at the rim and they show the shot charts every time. Ok, cute. And it does win a lot of games. Just would like to see a plan B when that's not working, like 22% from threes last night. It's even worse when we play the big, tough teams and get annihilated on the boards along with shooting poorly. Vandy has no size inside so that wasn't the problem last night.

 

[cdub55]

It may be bad that Bama only plays Vanderbilt on the road this season if both teams are near the top of the league at the end of the season. These usually work out but it can be frustrating.

It is not always good for one team even when the refs "call it even". A loosely called game favors the team that relies on pushing, shoving, hand-checking, and holding on defense. I missed the game so I don't know about the officiating so this may not apply.

If that game was loose than I have some water front property in Nebraska to sell you. If Alabama breathed too hard on a Vandy player driving to the hoop a foul was called. I honestly expected Oats to go scorched earth policy in the presser but he took the high road.

 

[carder24]

Any one of several things happen and we win this game in spite of all that went on with horrible officiating (both ways).
Sherrell being available
Philon being able to finish the game
Someone get hot from 3.
Kentucky Williamson shows up.

Unfortunately all of those things hurt us.
I have a feeling Trelly is about to miss some games. He was not moving well late in the game.

Worried about that too, look on his face when he tweaked whatever then seemed a little hobbled rest of the way - hopefully he'll be ok though

 

[countrytider]

I remember. I'm not saying we're no better now than then. All I'm saying is we'll never win a title with Oats' style of play.

I don’t know about that. I mean, 7 seasons, 3 sweet 16s, elite 8, and a F4. 2 Reg season titles and 2 SEC tourney titles.

I still personally believe we *should* have won it all the Brandon Miller year. But the media was bent on that being the focal point for the entire season. Basically demanding Oats kick Miller off the team without due process. (No surprise)

Turns out Oats was right in his judgement of Miller.

I think it cost them a very real shot at a title or at least another F4.

 

[day-day]

I don’t know about that. I mean, 7 seasons, 3 sweet 16s, elite 8, and a F4. 2 Reg season titles and 2 SEC tourney titles.

I still personally believe we *should* have won it all the Brandon Miller year. But the media was bent on that being the focal point for the entire season. Basically demanding Oats kick Miller off the team without due process. (No surprise)

Turns out Oats was right in his judgement of Miller.

I think it cost them a very real shot at a title or at least another F4.

San Diego State University had very physical and experienced players who were tough on defense. Miller was playing injured which affected his play. Maybe a healthy Miller would have been enough; SDSU played a solid game.

 

[countrytider]

San Diego State University had very physical and experienced players who were tough on defense. Miller was playing injured which affected his play. Maybe a healthy Miller would have been enough; SDSU played a solid game.

We could have beat them imo but we just had too much working against us internal and external.

 

[BamaNation]

Really frustrating game to watch. We were getting mugged all over the place. There were numerous calls against us that clearly should have been calls against them. At one point FTA were approximately equal. Then they got like 7-10 calls in a row. The way to beat a Nate Oats team is to out-physical / thug us. That was thug basketball last night. Plus we couldn't hit a 3 to save our lives and missed a ton of FTs. Philon being out after the half and Sherrill injury meant we had a tough time.

Agree with everyone who hates playing at Vandy. I hated it 40 years ago when I was just listening on the radio or watching the JP game of the week on a Wednesday. Even moreso now that they've let them carry on this nonsense for so many years. Should not be allowed. We should make them sit on an end by the tunnels when they come to T-town. Our bench shouldn't move. Just to make a point.

 

[JDCrimson]

Philon out with fully body cramps and receiving IVs in the locker room... I'm going with either hungover or pouting...

 

[CajunCrimson]

Philon out with fully body cramps and receiving IVs in the locker room... I'm going with either hungover or pouting...

If you watch the game, you know he wasn’t pouting.

 

[BamaNation]

If you watch the game, you know he wasn’t pouting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009133472083005832

https://tide1009.com/nate-oats-labaron-philon-injury-update/ :

“He just said full-body cramps. I don’t know. He played 19 minutes and he had to go back and get an IV and couldn’t play. I don’t know why he’s getting full-body cramps after only playing 19 minutes, but that’s what he had going.”

 

[BamaNation]

Holloway. He missed a free throw. Caught his miss and shot it again. Before his second FT. Called a tech as a delay of game. That kind of night.

As soon as he did it he realized what he had done. Lack of focus. Finally gets a call and missed the FTs. He was 1-4 FT and 3-7 3PG. You're right, that kind of night.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

IMHO, Philon and Sherrell not playing was a huge factor!

Amari Allen really had a huge game!