BREAKING Milroe declares for draft

[RollTide_HTTR]

Apparently, Dart's attending and throwing at the combine changed a lot of teams' opinions about him. He came into the combine with a hard 2nd to 3rd round grade, then once the combine was over, the talks of him potentially slipping into the first round started.

Crazy to me. You'd think the tape would be way more important for a QB than how he looked at the combine.

If one OC in the NFL knew that virtually all of Alabama's skill players would have hit the portal if Milroe had stayed in Tuscaloosa, all 32 coaching staffs and front offices knew it.

It's one thing to have a conflict with a teammate. That happens. But virtually all of the WRs, TEs and RBs? That sends a loud and clear message.

Tangentially related, I am curious as to what changed for Jalen Hurts. In Tuscaloosa, he had virtually the same shortcomings as Milroe -- trouble reading the field, over-reliance on his legs, inaccurate passing, WRs in revolt. Somewhat better at OU, which I attribute to Lincoln Riley. Say what you will about Riley as a HC, he's a really good QB coach.

Today, in the most positive way, Hurts isn't the same player.

What did he do to develop?

Neither of them are crazy quick processers but Milroe seems to just guess more often than Hurts ever did. I think Hurts eventually showed improvement as a processor but to this point Milroe hasn't really outside of the UGA game where we caught them completely off guard.

 

[gtgilbert]

Apparently, Dart's attending and throwing at the combine changed a lot of teams' opinions about him. He came into the combine with a hard 2nd to 3rd round grade, then once the combine was over, the talks of him potentially slipping into the first round started.

I watched a good bit of the combine this year, for the first time in a long time. Dart looked really good there. Several other QBs also threw pretty well.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Crazy to me. You'd think the tape would be way more important for a QB than how he looked at the combine.

I think his arm ended up being stronger than what many scouts thought. There are some things you can see in person that you can't on film. Velocity of the ball is one of them. You can get some indication on film, but you get a much better assessment when you see them in person.

 

[Power Eye]

I wonder at what point (if ever) there will be a swing away from the QB, who is more of an athlete, back to a QB, who is more of pocket passer???

I don't see why there ever would be when QBs like Jackson, Daniels, Hurts, and Allen can be elite at both passing and running. Even QBs like Mahomes, Murray, Mayfield, and Young, who aren't going to be run first QBs, can make plays outside the pocket.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I think his arm ended up being stronger than what many scouts thought. There are some things you can see in person that you can't on film. Velocity of the ball is one of them. You can get some indication on film, but you get a much better assessment when you see them in person.

Fair but I'm still not sold. He was still throwing a lot of deep balls short. But QBs are impossible to evaluate so who knows

 

[gtgilbert]

elated, I am curious as to what changed for Jalen Hurts. In Tuscaloosa, he had virtually the same shortcomings as Milroe -- trouble reading the field, over-reliance on his legs, inaccurate passing, WRs in revolt. Somewhat better at OU, which I attribute to Lincoln Riley.
Say what you will about Riley as a HC, he's a really good QB coach.

Today, Hurts isn't the same player.

What did he do to develop?

I've probably said it 100 times before, but even with Hurts developmental needs, he was better and much further along as a 17 year old true freshman when he stepped on the field against USC than Nilroe is right now after 4 years at 'bama. Better at reading the field, better accuracy, better at knowing the reads, pretty much everything. Nilroe can throw the ball harder and run faster, but that's it.

I think development is an oversold line. There was a famous quarterback guru that was being used by just about everyone at the time that said “quarterbacks either have it or they never will by their second year of college”. You can make tweaks but the game is too fast to make the massive leaps that many envision happening under quarterback coaches. Jalen hurts is the huge exception to this.

I kinda agree with this. Hurts development got held up a bit by getting pushed into the starting role to early. We had to work with what he could do and didn't have much time to expand on and develop that further during the season. His 3rd year, when he was the backup, working in a pass centric offense, is what his first year really should have been with a lot of development happening. With him as the starter, our game plan was what he could do to win. With Tua starting, the game plan was much more variable around the entire offense, and Jalen got to practice that and develop those capabilities more. Riley certainly built on that a great deal, but Enos is the one who built the foundation with a lot of work on the mechanics of the passing game

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Fair but I'm still not sold. He was still throwing a lot of deep balls short. But QBs are impossible to evaluate so who knows

Well, they had to see something. Teams don't just trade up to get a QB because they didn't see anything they liked. He apparently displayed something they liked enough to move back into the first round and select him.

 

[bamamc1]

I've probably said it 100 times before, but even with Hurts developmental needs, he was better and much further along as a 17 year old true freshman when he stepped on the field against USC than Nilroe is right now after 4 years at 'bama. Better at reading the field, better accuracy, better at knowing the reads, pretty much everything. Nilroe can throw the ball harder and run faster, but that's it.



I kinda agree with this. Hurts development got held up a bit by getting pushed into the starting role to early. We had to work with what he could do and didn't have much time to expand on and develop that further during the season. His 3rd year, when he was the backup, working in a pass centric offense, is what his first year really should have been with a lot of development happening. With him as the starter, our game plan was what he could do to win. With Tua starting, the game plan was much more variable around the entire offense, and Jalen got to practice that and develop those capabilities more. Riley certainly built on that a great deal, but Enos is the one who built the foundation with a lot of work on the mechanics of the passing game

The thing I liked most about Jalen Hurts at Bama was that he took care of the ball.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Well, they had to see something. Teams don't just trade up to get a QB because they didn't see anything they liked. He apparently displayed something they liked enough to move back into the first round and select him.

Of course, I'm just saying I think it was a mistake. We'll see

 

[gtgilbert]

I don't see why there ever would be when QBs like Jackson, Daniels, Hurts, and Allen can be elite at both passing and running. Even QBs like Mahomes, Murray, Mayfield, and Young, who aren't going to be run first QBs, can make plays outside the pocket.

I think there is a difference between QBs who happen to very athletic and good runners and great athletes trying to be QBs.

I do think there will be a swing to some degree, maybe not back to a pure pocket passer, but moreso to guys who check all the QB boxes first, who then are also able to run if needed. There are a lot of QB misses in general in the draft, but it seems like there are more misses for the great athlete/very raw QB types.

 

[gtgilbert]

Crazy to me. You'd think the tape would be way more important for a QB than how he looked at the combine.



Neither of them are crazy quick processers but Milroe seems to just guess more often than Hurts ever did. I think Hurts eventually showed improvement as a processor but to this point Milroe hasn't really outside of the UGA game where we caught them completely off guard.

Even against UGA, Nilroe wasn't processing. Coaches totally scripted all that knowing exactly what UGA would do in certain formations so Nilroe didn't have to read anything. That's why they were able to shut him down after the first qtr. They figured out what the script was and adjusted to force him back into trying to make decisions.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Milroe and Sanders are joined, the further Sanders falls, the further Milroe will as well.

I heard several NFL coaches did not like their interview with Sanders. They say he came across as entitled, and not a team player. One claimed it was the worst interview he's ever had.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I heard several NFL coaches did not like their interview with Sanders. They say he came across as entitled, and not a team player. One claimed it was the worst interview he's ever had.

Sanders has his father's ego without the talent.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I heard several NFL coaches did not like their interview with Sanders. They say he came across as entitled, and not a team player. One claimed it was the worst interview he's ever had.

I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Shocked!!!

 

[The Ols]

Can't believe the Giants traded up for Dart. Not surprised Milroe fell out of round 1 and I think he could fall a good bit further.

Can you fall out of something you never belonged in to start with?

 

[tidefan39817]

Crazy to me. You'd think the tape would be way more important for a QB than how he looked at the combine.



Neither of them are crazy quick processers but Milroe seems to just guess more often than Hurts ever did. I think Hurts eventually showed improvement as a processor but to this point Milroe hasn't really outside of the UGA game where we caught them completely off guard.

As much as you can condemn him for the way he left, in the one year Dan Enos worked with Hurts exclusively as a qb coach he did wonders. Riley has a very qb friendly system but some of the throws Hurts made after coming in for Tua in the SEC championship game, he never would have made prior to that.

 

[lowend]

Can you fall out of something you never belonged in to start with?

When what passes as sports journalism is nothing more than a bunch of blowhards bloviating with nothing more than guesses and "insider information" that probably nothing more than smoke screens, sure!

 

[Rocky Mtn Bob]

Can't believe the Giants traded up for Dart. Not surprised Milroe fell out of round 1 and I think he could fall a good bit further.

Nearly a dozen times I've seen writers (and posters here) remark that the NFL is desperate for QBs. Somehow NFL decision-makers think getting a 1st Round QB this year magically fills that void.

I agree with those who say Dart is probably the Dark Horse of the QB picks this year ... and that the "same Dart-type quarterback" would be a 2nd Rounder last year, or the year prior.

 

[Power Eye]

I think there is a difference between QBs who happen to very athletic and good runners and great athletes trying to be QBs.

I do think there will be a swing to some degree, maybe not back to a pure pocket passer, but moreso to guys who check all the QB boxes first, who then are also able to run if needed. There are a lot of QB misses in general in the draft, but it seems like there are more misses for the great athlete/very raw QB types.

I don’t know that there are that many QBs, at least in the last 10 years, that were 1st round picks that were viewed as great athletes but raw QBs. Richardson and Daniel Jones are really the only two that come to mind. Even Fields was viewed as an elite passer.

 

[Krymsonman]

yep. I think Milroe ends up on the Aints

Don't do that to my Saints. We've got enough issues down here, and don't have time to train a QB. Looks like Derek Carr will miss this year due to shoulder surgery. We need someone who can play now.