MLB playoffs

[selmaborntidefan]

I know Braves fans don't want to hear this but PHIL is a good team and definitely have the horses to win this thing. Momentum is a power thing, you would think ATL fans of all fans would know this. You know how many PHIL/NYM fans who thought the Braves had "no chance" against Houston last year?

I mean PHIL has gone to StL, then ATL then to SD and took it to all three teams (sorry Braves fans), going to Houston is not going to be an issue for a team that got their mojo working right now. I know Cheastros will open as the favorite but my prediction is Phillies in 6 and I shudder at writing that.

But it makes me smirk to think that Philly is good enough to get to the World Series but not good enough to be the Cubs. Ha.

Besides how mad would that make Mutts fans? Watching the Nats, Braves and Phillies win titles in a short period of time, while the Mutts are watching the Nats/Braves and Phillies win those titles and not doing anything about it would *chefskiss*. Heck every team in the NL East, yes that includes the Marlins, have all won titles since NYM last title.

We're exactly where we stood on the night of the 2016 election - one of these two teams is going to win the World Series.

Philly is NOT "a good team."

They are "the team that got hot at the right time."

Indeed, they're a lot like Atlanta when the Braves reeled off 14 wins in a row back in June. Sometimes it works - see the 1985 Royals, 1996 NY Yankees and 2004 Boston Red Sox.

More often - it doesn't. See the 1951 Giants, 1993 Braves (51-17....and didn't even win the LCS), 2007 Colorado Rockies (hot in September right up until Game One of the WS).

(I don't mean to impugn the 96 Yankees, but the shine of the 98-00 Yankees covers the fact that they were not in any way in Atlanta's league in 1996; hell, they had the good fortune of Baltimore taking Cleveland out for them; YES, they were much better later).


Philly is hot but let me remind everyone that Houston is perched to be the 1976 Cincinnati Reds here, who tore through the post-season without losing a single game, and wiped out a team that won 4 of 5 division titles and a team that won the next two World Series.

And Houston's pitching (just with Verlander) is MUCH better than those 76 Reds' pitching was, although it remains to be seen how many HOFers are on the Stros.


I'm pulling for Houston - which is betraying my Texas Rangers fandom but sometimes a man's gotta do what he's gotta do and make sacrifices for the greater good.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Let me insert my venting right here just for the hell of it.


ATLANTA BRAVES FEELINGS OF FANS
1991 - wow, that was fun!
1992 - this is disappointing
1993 - we choked
1994 - thank God for the strike, we were about to flop anyway
1995 - YES!!!!
1996 - we choked
1997 - Eric Gregg runs a dogfighting ring and molests children...but Florida did outplay us
1998 - we choked
1999 - maybe we can beat the Yan.....ah, who am I kidding, we're dead
2000 - let's turn on college football, oh dear god, Alabama started at 3 and may not win 3
2001 - wow, we upset Houston but it's gonna take a miracle to beat the Dbacks...aaannndd...we're done
2002 - we choked
2003 - not even shocked anymore
2004 - I'll never get excited about this team ever again until we make the World Series
2005 - big surprise....
2011 - we choked
2012 - what do you mean "infield fly?"
2013 - we can't beat LA
2018 - we can't beat LA
2019 - just one win and......TEN RUNS IN THE FIRST???
2020 - we choked....and we can't beat LA...ELEVEN RUNS IN THE FIRST???
2021 - we can't beat Milwaukee....well, we can't beat LA....wow.....we can't beat....OMG!!!!
2022 - we choked

 

[81usaf92]

We're exactly where we stood on the night of the 2016 election - one of these two teams is going to win the World Series.

Philly is NOT "a good team."

They are "the team that got hot at the right time."

Indeed, they're a lot like Atlanta when the Braves reeled off 14 wins in a row back in June. Sometimes it works - see the 1985 Royals, 1996 NY Yankees and 2004 Boston Red Sox.

More often - it doesn't. See the 1951 Giants, 1993 Braves (51-17....and didn't even win the LCS), 2007 Colorado Rockies (hot in September right up until Game One of the WS).

(I don't mean to impugn the 96 Yankees, but the shine of the 98-00 Yankees covers the fact that they were not in any way in Atlanta's league in 1996; hell, they had the good fortune of Baltimore taking Cleveland out for them; YES, they were much better later).


Philly is hot but let me remind everyone that Houston is perched to be the 1976 Cincinnati Reds here, who tore through the post-season without losing a single game, and wiped out a team that won 4 of 5 division titles and a team that won the next two World Series.

And Houston's pitching (just with Verlander) is MUCH better than those 76 Reds' pitching was, although it remains to be seen how many HOFers are on the Stros.


I'm pulling for Houston - which is betraying my Texas Rangers fandom but sometimes a man's gotta do what he's gotta do and make sacrifices for the greater good.

Philly is a team that should have never got a place at the table to begin with and is why the expansion should have never happened. I can get expanding the WC round to a best of 3 but expanding it to 2 series of a best of 3 is ludicrous. I said it even before the season that it was stupid so this isn’t just a “I am mad because it happened to my team thing”.

2020 is the year baseball went full on stupid with ideas. From the universal DH, to the Mickey Mouse extra inning game, to the 7 inning double headers, and now finally 3 game opening round series. I was taking 2020 as a year of “because of 60 games we did this” not a shift into stupidity.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Philly is a team that should have never got a place at the table to begin with and is why the expansion should have never happened. I can get expanding the WC round to a best of 3 but expanding it to 2 series of a best of 3 is ludicrous. I said it even before the season that it was stupid so this isn’t just a “I am mad because it happened to my team thing”.

2020 is the year baseball went full on stupid with ideas. From the universal DH, to the Mickey Mouse extra inning game, to the 7 inning double headers, and now finally 3 game opening round series. I was taking 2020 as a year of “because of 60 games we did this” not a shift into stupidity.

All true.

But just like when a wildcard wins the Super Bowl - everyone agreed to the rules before the season started. As much as I hate Philly, it's not their fault.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

No, I blame the phillies because I hate them and I want it to be their fault

 

[TexasBama]

In 2005, Houston was an 89 win wild card team and the White Sox had the best record in the AL. Hoping for a comparative result.

 

[B1GTide]

All true.

But just like when a wildcard wins the Super Bowl - everyone agreed to the rules before the season started. As much as I hate Philly, it's not their fault.

IMO, the difference is that in football the season is very short. A really good team can get off to a slow start or lose a few key players to injury and still have a shot to prove themselves in a playoff instead of being done. Every once in a while a team like the NY Giants shocks the world, but it is pretty rare.

In MLB, with a 162 game schedule, we know who the best teams are. They proved it over a very long season in which every team had to deal with injuries and cold streaks. But how often does the best team win it all anymore?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

In MLB, with a 162 game schedule, we know who the best teams are. They proved it over a very long season in which every team had to deal with injuries and cold streaks. But how often does the best team win it all anymore?

I agree with the thrust of your comment - and my desire would be four eight-team divisions with the old LCS setup, better record gets home field in 1-2-6-7.

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind if we had ties in the regular season - if the whole desire is not wiping someone out with a series of 12 and 13-inning games. Play one extra inning straight up - win, lose, or tie.

Teams with best record to win it since 1969 - with wins in parentheses (excludes 2020)

1970 Baltimore Orioles (108)
1975 Cincinnati Reds (108)
1976 Cincinnati Reds (102)
1978 NY Yankees (100)
1984 Detroit Tigers (104)
1986 NY Mets (108)
1989 Oakland Athletics (99)
1998 NY Yankees (114)
2007 Boston Red Sox (96)
2009 NY Yankees (103)
2013 Boston Red Sox (97)
2016 Chicago Cubs (103)
2018 Boston Red Sox (108)


13 times in the last 53 years - which means 40 times it didn't happen.




The Atlanta Braves had the best record in all of baseball in 1992, 1993, 1999, 2003 - and didn't win.

Note: in 2002, three teams (Braves, Yankees, Oakland) won over 100 games - NONE made the series.

 

[TexasBama]

I agree with the thrust of your comment - and my desire would be four eight-team divisions with the old LCS setup, better record gets home field in 1-2-6-7.

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind if we had ties in the regular season - if the whole desire is not wiping someone out with a series of 12 and 13-inning games. Play one extra inning straight up - win, lose, or tie.

Teams with best record to win it since 1969 - with wins in parentheses (excludes 2020)

1970 Baltimore Orioles (108)
1975 Cincinnati Reds (108)
1976 Cincinnati Reds (102)
1978 NY Yankees (100)
1984 Detroit Tigers (104)
1986 NY Mets (108)
1989 Oakland Athletics (99)
1998 NY Yankees (114)
2007 Boston Red Sox (96)
2009 NY Yankees (103)
2013 Boston Red Sox (97)
2016 Chicago Cubs (103)
2018 Boston Red Sox (108)


13 times in the last 53 years - which means 40 times it didn't happen.




The Atlanta Braves had the best record in all of baseball in 1992, 1993, 1999, 2003 - and didn't win.

Note: in 2002, three teams (Braves, Yankees, Oakland) won over 100 games - NONE made the series.

What if you expand this to teams with comparable records? For instance, I think in 2017 the Dodgers and Astros were within 3 wins of each other, and both over 100.

 

[CrimsonTheory]

Philly is NOT "a good team."

I obviously disagree. They are definitely a good team that underachieved for most of the season. Had they play the seaon like they have in the post-season, then is a solid change the Braves don't win the division.

Talent wise, Phillies should have been playing like this all season. So yeah, I disagree, Phillies are a good team that has gotten hot at the right time. That's the crapshoot of the MLB Playoffs.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I obviously disagree. They are definitely a good team that underachieved for most of the season. Had they play the seaon like they have in the post-season, then is a solid change the Braves don't win the division.

Talent wise, Phillies should have been playing like this all season. So yeah, I disagree, Phillies are a good team that has gotten hot at the right time. That's the crapshoot of the MLB Playoffs.

I should qualify my comment.

Philly was 87-75 on the year.

That's a better record than:

1972 Detroit Tigers - AL East champions in a season shortened a week by a strike
1973 NY Mets - lost the WS in 7 games (had Seaver and Koosman)
1984 KC Royals - won the West, swept in the ALCS by the 104-win Tigers
1987 Twins - champions
1997 Indians - lost the WS in the tenth inning after going into the 9th with a lead in Game 7
2000 Yankees - 87-74...won the WS
2005 Padres- won the West with an 82-80 mark
2006 Cardinals - won World Series
2009 Twins - won Central Division, wiped out in LDS

Note - the 2015 Royals were ONE GAME BETTER than Philly's record and won the World Series.

On the flip side, in 2011 the Phillies won 102 games - best in baseball - and lost to eventual champ STL.

So I shouldn't have said they aren't a good team. You're correct there, and I modify that.

But they still have no business ever being in an MLB post-season in the first place.

Atlanta's record last year might not have been much better - but AT LEAST they won their division.

Philly didn't even finish SECOND in theirs.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I should qualify my comment.

Philly was 87-75 on the year.

That's a better record than:

1972 Detroit Tigers - AL East champions in a season shortened a week by a strike
1973 NY Mets - lost the WS in 7 games (had Seaver and Koosman)
1984 KC Royals - won the West, swept in the ALCS by the 104-win Tigers
1987 Twins - champions
1997 Indians - lost the WS in the tenth inning after going into the 9th with a lead in Game 7
2000 Yankees - 87-74...won the WS
2005 Padres- won the West with an 82-80 mark
2006 Cardinals - won World Series
2009 Twins - won Central Division, wiped out in LDS

Note - the 2015 Royals were ONE GAME BETTER than Philly's record and won the World Series.

On the flip side, in 2011 the Phillies won 102 games - best in baseball - and lost to eventual champ STL.

So I shouldn't have said they aren't a good team. You're correct there, and I modify that.

But they still have no business ever being in an MLB post-season in the first place.

Atlanta's record last year might not have been much better - but AT LEAST they won their division.

Philly didn't even finish SECOND in theirs.

It is like letting a team ranked 12th overall and 3 or 4 in their conference and allowing them to play for a national championship in college football. So glad that won't ever happen.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Let me insert my venting right here just for the hell of it.


ATLANTA BRAVES FEELINGS OF FANS
1991 - wow, that was fun!
1992 - this is disappointing
1993 - we choked
1994 - thank God for the strike, we were about to flop anyway
1995 - YES!!!!
1996 - we choked
1997 - Eric Gregg runs a dogfighting ring and molests children...but Florida did outplay us
1998 - we choked
1999 - maybe we can beat the Yan.....ah, who am I kidding, we're dead
2000 - let's turn on college football, oh dear god, Alabama started at 3 and may not win 3
2001 - wow, we upset Houston but it's gonna take a miracle to beat the Dbacks...aaannndd...we're done
2002 - we choked
2003 - not even shocked anymore
2004 - I'll never get excited about this team ever again until we make the World Series
2005 - big surprise....
2011 - we choked
2012 - what do you mean "infield fly?"
2013 - we can't beat LA
2018 - we can't beat LA
2019 - just one win and......TEN RUNS IN THE FIRST???
2020 - we choked....and we can't beat LA...ELEVEN RUNS IN THE FIRST???
2021 - we can't beat Milwaukee....well, we can't beat LA....wow.....we can't beat....OMG!!!!
2022 - we choked

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I HATE Philly and I'm Super SALTY that they get to play in the WS when they finished THIRD in the East.

I can't stand BOTH of these WS teams.

The Astros should be banned from the Post Season period for like 10 years for the way they Cheated.

Philly shouldn't have even been in a position for any of this to happen.

 

[81usaf92]

I’m cheering for Dusty to get his ring. I want a competent manager to finally win a World Series for a change. And it would be nice to see Verlander to win #2. Plus I can’t stand Philly

 

[B1GTide]

I can’t stand Philly

You had me at "I can't stand Philly"

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I’m cheering for Dusty to get his ring. I want a competent manager to finally win a World Series for a change. And it would be nice to see Verlander to win #2. Plus I can’t stand Philly

Astros in 5, but I hope they sweep and win every game by 20 runs.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

 

[DzynKingRTR]

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Go Astros!

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Philly is a team that should have never got a place at the table to begin with and is why the expansion should have never happened. I can get expanding the WC round to a best of 3 but expanding it to 2 series of a best of 3 is ludicrous. I said it even before the season that it was stupid so this isn’t just a “I am mad because it happened to my team thing”.

2020 is the year baseball went full on stupid with ideas. From the universal DH, to the Mickey Mouse extra inning game, to the 7 inning double headers, and now finally 3 game opening round series. I was taking 2020 as a year of “because of 60 games we did this” not a shift into stupidity.

Well, I can't stand "your team" and it makes me mad as a baseball fan that the Braves won over 100 games and are sitting at home because they had to beat a team that, as Selma said, isn't even a "good team" but simply got hot at THAT time.