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Oh by the way, that popcorn you're eating far exceeds the maximum calorie intake allowed school kids for lunch. But I'm not accusing you of anything like hypocrisy. :)
So me eating popcorn and making fun of people for blowing this issue way out of proportion makes me a hypocrite?

Either the word hypocrite has a totally new definition or I have just entered:
 

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So me eating popcorn and making fun of people for blowing this issue way out of proportion makes me a hypocrite?

Either the word hypocrite has a totally new definition or I have just entered:
How is it being blown out of proportion? Why should a First Lady or any other government moron be able to tell my school what my child should or shouldn't eat? That is a decision for the local and state school boards. I actually agree with the people saying you should send a lunch with your child and that is what we do but this still isn't somewhere we need the federal government sticking it's nose.
 

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How is it being blown out of proportion? Why should a First Lady or any other government moron be able to tell my school what my child should or shouldn't eat? That is a decision for the local and state school boards. I actually agree with the people saying you should send a lunch with your child and that is what we do but this still isn't somewhere we need the federal government sticking it's nose.
So the government should keep its nose out of the publicly funded government controlled public schools?
 

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Are you really having trouble understanding the difference between the proper roles federal and local governments?
Yes he is, because he is an Obama apologist. To him and many others it doesn't matter what Obama does he is right. Let a Republican do something like this and he will be screaming from the rooftop about federal intervention.
 

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Yes he is, because he is an Obama apologist. To him and many others it doesn't matter what Obama does he is right. Let a Republican do something like this and he will be screaming from the rooftop about federal intervention.
No, I would still be pointing out that arguing over lunch room food is stupid.
This is also a perfect example of: Strawman and Ad Hominem logical fallacies.

Are you really having trouble understanding the difference between the proper roles federal and local governments?
Federal --> State --> Local. Local answers to state. State answers to federal. Department of Education wants to change something on a large scale to the public school system, it can do that.
Public schools in the United States are administered at the federal level by the United States Department of Education, at the state level by state education agencies, and at the local level by local education agencies. Most states employ this three-tiered model of educational governance
In conclusion, it's school lunch food. Not that big of a deal.
 
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Federal --> State --> Local. Local answers to state. State answers to federal. Department of Education wants to change something on a large scale to the public school system, it can do that.
That's not the way it is supposed to be. Federal government is not supposed to dominate state governments. The feds have their role to play, clearly enumerated in the Constitution. Where in the Constitution does it give the Feds a role in education?

In conclusion, it's school lunch food. Not that big of a deal.
If you don't mind your freedom suffering a death by a thousand cuts, then you are correct.
 

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No, I would still be pointing out that arguing over lunch room food is stupid.
This is also a perfect example of: Strawman and Ad Hominem logical fallacies.


Federal --> State --> Local. Local answers to state. State answers to federal. Department of Education wants to change something on a large scale to the public school system, it can do that.


In conclusion, it's school lunch food. Not that big of a deal.
Hopefully we'll see in a few short monthes. I've seen too many Obama supporters who argued loud and proud against the Patriot Act while Bush was President only to have them not say a word about it now. While Bush was President Gitmo cause the Muslims to hate us and now we hear nothing about Gitmo. There are plenty of other examples so excuse me if I'm skepical.

School lunch is a big deal if you kid has to eat it and they aren't getting enough to eat.
 

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Patriot Act
Hate the Patriot Act, and the internet regulation that keeps trying to seep in. Most people are still upset about those issues and is a legit critique of this administration.

If you don't mind your freedom suffering a death by a thousand cuts, then you are correct.
Textbook Slippery Slope logical fallacy.
 
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Shortround

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Heh. Did you just wiki a list of logic terms? You use them with no substance as back up.
The substance is actually in the comment that I reply to. Example: You can't contradict that I called out your logical fallacy so you say that I just wikied logic terms, instead of arguing the target you instead attacked my person thus you have used another logical fallacy, Ad Hominem. A very weak attempt at saving face, I might add.

My suggestion:
 

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The substance is actually in the comment that I reply to.
There is no substance to your statements. The federal government has no business being involved in local education matters. I cited the Constitution and the nature of the relationship between the feds and the states. You respond with nothing except non sequiturs. Trying to deflect is a failing debate strategy, bud.
 

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The substance is actually in the comment that I reply to. Example: You can't contradict that I called out your logical fallacy so you say that I just wikied logic terms, instead of arguing the target you instead attacked my person thus you have used another logical fallacy, Ad Hominem. A very weak attempt at saving face, I might add.
That's not what ad hominem means.

An ad hominem fallacy would be something like "Shortround is a dirty commie, therefore he is wrong"

"Shortround's apparently random application of the terms of logic seems to indicate he doesn't understand what he saying" is not ad hominem.
 
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