Link: Moochelle is starving gubment school kids

[CajunCrimson]

That's not what ad hominem means.

An ad hominem fallacy would be something like "Shortround is a dirty commie, therefore he is wrong"

"Shortround's apparently random application of the terms of logic seems to indicate he doesn't understand what he saying" is not ad hominem.

My Grandmama used to make Hominem -- but she'd put peas in hers -- (i hate peas!) ---

Which would always cause a huge ad hominem debate.....

Hominem vs Corn.....

 

[Shortround]

There is no substance to your statements. The federal government has no business being involved in local education matters. I cited the Constitution and the nature of the relationship between the feds and the states. You respond with nothing except non sequiturs. Trying to deflect is a failing debate strategy, bud.

Actually you didn't cite the constitution, you just said "It's in the constitution" and left it at that. That's not citing, that just saying the word constitution and putting your fingers in your ear and going "LALALALA I CAN'T HERE YOU, GOVERNMENT TAKIN' MY FREEDOMS LALALAL." The constitution is in constant flux, it changes with the times to fit on how to effectively govern. For example, the increase of government control over the states in the past 200 years. The old states over federal government debate was resolved in the 1860's. There have even been changes to the tenth amendment (The one you forgot to cite) in the past few years (by a republican congress).

You also seem to have a misunderstanding of the constitution, it's not a set in stone guide. It's basically a template to be edited and changed. Which means that if it isn't specifically mentioned, it can be debated to how the government's roll in something should be. Hence the Federal Government having a hand on the macro decisions in the public education system.

That's not what ad hominem means.

An ad hominem fallacy would be something like "Shortround is a dirty commie, therefore he is wrong"

"Shortround's apparently random application of the terms of logic seems to indicate he doesn't understand what he saying" is not ad hominem.

Let me help you with that. You see, Mr Bodhisattva is implying that I'm wrong because I apparently use a wiki to point out where he's making logical fallacies. Therefore Shortround doesn't know what he's talking about. Therefore Shortround is wrong.
So he is using the Ad Hominem fallacy by completely avoiding his logical errors and attacking me for pointing said logical errors out. We on the same page? Good.

 

[seebell]

Shortround! You ain't from around here, is you boy?:biggrin:

 

[Bodhisattva]

Hmmmm, your logic needs a tune up. You claim the feds should call the shots. I ask you for proof in the Constitution.

Actually you didn't cite the constitution, you just said "It's in the constitution" and left it at that.

Wrong. What I said/asked was:

That's not the way it is supposed to be. Federal government is not supposed to dominate state governments. The feds have their role to play, clearly enumerated in the Constitution. Where in the Constitution does it give the Feds a role in education?

And you don't answer the question, which is fundamental. You then fall back on misusing logic terms to try to obscure the issue.

You also seem to have a misunderstanding of the constitution, it's not a set in stone guide. It's basically a template to be edited and changed. Which means that if it isn't specifically mentioned, it can be debated to how the government's roll in something should be. Hence the Federal Government having a hand on the macro decisions in the public education system.

Heh. Can you show me where in the Constitution that it is supposed to be interpreted as one wishes? The only legitimate way is via amendment.

Let me help you with that. You see, Mr Bodhisattva is implying that I'm wrong because I apparently use a wiki to point out where he's making logical fallacies. Therefore Shortround doesn't know what he's talking about. Therefore Shortround is wrong. So he is using the Ad Hominem fallacy by completely avoiding his logical errors and attacking me for pointing said logical errors out. We on the same page? Good.

Nope. You fail to back up your opinions on the role of government with substance. And you misuse the concept of ad hominem. If you didn't just look it up in wiki, perhaps you've been misusing the term longer than I thought.

 

[rizolltizide]

Course you could also change it to Shortdork, too. :biggrin2: :biggrin2:

 

[Tide1986]

Actually you didn't cite the constitution, you just said "It's in the constitution" and left it at that. That's not citing, that just saying the word constitution and putting your fingers in your ear and going "LALALALA I CAN'T HERE YOU, GOVERNMENT TAKIN' MY FREEDOMS LALALAL." The constitution is in constant flux, it changes with the times to fit on how to effectively govern. For example, the increase of government control over the states in the past 200 years. The old states over federal government debate was resolved in the 1860's. There have even been changes to the tenth amendment (The one you forgot to cite) in the past few years (by a republican congress).

You also seem to have a misunderstanding of the constitution, it's not a set in stone guide. It's basically a template to be edited and changed. Which means that if it isn't specifically mentioned, it can be debated to how the government's roll in something should be. Hence the Federal Government having a hand on the macro decisions in the public education system.



Let me help you with that. You see, Mr Bodhisattva is implying that I'm wrong because I apparently use a wiki to point out where he's making logical fallacies. Therefore Shortround doesn't know what he's talking about. Therefore Shortround is wrong.
So he is using the Ad Hominem fallacy by completely avoiding his logical errors and attacking me for pointing said logical errors out. We on the same page? Good.

Feel free to read the Constitution sometime. The only way it is supposed to change is through the amendment process.

 

[MattinBama]

Feel free to read the Constitution sometime. The only way it is supposed to change is through the amendment process.

Clearly add hominy phallic strawman.

 

[seebell]

Here is the Madison County Alabama school menu for the 1st week of October. I imagine this conforms to the federal nutrition standards because we get beaucoup of federal money. Maybe the school systems that are having problems have nit wits in charge. Phallic strawman is listed as a desert.

MONDAY	TUESDAY	WEDNESDAY	THURSDAY	FRIDAY
Oct. 1 GrilledChicken Patty	2 Spaghetti	3 Hamburger/Bun	4 Taco Salad w Fixings	5 Pizza or
or Beef Nuggets	or Oven Baked Chicken	or Corn Dog	or Chicken Nuggets	Rib-a-Que Sandwich
Roasted Potatoes	Fresh Romaine Salad	Shredded Romaine/Tomatoes	Chili Beans, Salsa	Fresh Romaine Salad
Green Beans	Steamed Carrots	French Fries	Italian Mixed Vegetables	Corn on the Cob
Plum	Pineapple, Fruit Cobbler	Three Bean Salad	Grapes	Applesauce
Whole Wheat Roll	Whole Wheat Roll	Banana	Cornbread, Fruited Gelatin	Milk
Milk	Milk	Milk	Milk

 

[Tide1986]

Here is the Madison County Alabama school menu for the 1st week of October. I imagine this conforms to the federal nutrition standards because we get beaucoup of federal money. Maybe the school systems that are having problems have nit wits in charge. Phallic strawman is listed as a desert.

MONDAY	TUESDAY	WEDNESDAY	THURSDAY	FRIDAY
Oct. 1 GrilledChicken Patty	2 Spaghetti	3 Hamburger/Bun	4 Taco Salad w Fixings	5 Pizza or
or Beef Nuggets	or Oven Baked Chicken	or Corn Dog	or Chicken Nuggets	Rib-a-Que Sandwich
Roasted Potatoes	Fresh Romaine Salad	Shredded Romaine/Tomatoes	Chili Beans, Salsa	Fresh Romaine Salad
Green Beans	Steamed Carrots	French Fries	Italian Mixed Vegetables	Corn on the Cob
Plum	Pineapple, Fruit Cobbler	Three Bean Salad	Grapes	Applesauce
Whole Wheat Roll	Whole Wheat Roll	Banana	Cornbread, Fruited Gelatin	Milk
Milk	Milk	Milk	Milk

What point are you making, or are you just in your usual "useless information sharing" mode?

 

[seebell]

What point are you making, or are you just in your usual "useless information sharing" mode?

Now you done gone and hurt my feelings!! I thought I might post something actually pertaining to the thread title. Don't like it? Scroll on bye

 

[Bamaro]

Now you done gone and hurt my feelings!! I thought I might post something actually pertaining to the thread title. Don't like it? Scroll on bye

TFNS is not facts friendly

 

[Tide1986]

TFNS is not facts friendly

Posting the names of lunch items is not posting facts relevant to this thread. Posting nutritional information including calorie counts and portion sizes would be providing relevant facts.

 

[Tide1986]

Now you done gone and hurt my feelings!!

Did you expect something different? I'm not aware of ever being branded as "soft and cuddly" by anyone on Tidefans.

 

[Shortround]

Feel free to read the Constitution sometime. The only way it is supposed to change is through the amendment process.

Hmm, I stand corrected. I misread some legislation thinking is was an addendum to an amendment. Though I believe we've gotten off base of the original debate. We're arguing over school food, and by the looks of the menu seabell posted, they aren't exactly starving. Seems this is just another scare tactic over nothing. Thinking about it, I feel dumb for even getting involved.

Oh and just so everyone knows, you were correct on the Constitution subject. I'm sorry for my misunderstanding and hope that you can forgive me.

Clearly add hominy phallic strawman.

Childish.

 

[Tide1986]

Hmm, I stand corrected. I misread some legislation thinking is was an addendum to an amendment. Though I believe we've gotten off base of the original debate. We're arguing over school food, and by the looks of the menu seabell posted, they aren't exactly starving. Seems this is just another scare tactic over nothing. Thinking about it, I feel dumb for even getting involved.

Instead of posting here, you should go instruct and correct all of those rebellious youth who are protesting against current lunch menus. Those kids are apparently quite misguided.

 

[swoop10]

Hmm, I stand corrected. I misread some legislation thinking is was an addendum to an amendment. Though I believe we've gotten off base of the original debate. We're arguing over school food, and by the looks of the menu seabell posted, they aren't exactly starving. Seems this is just another scare tactic over nothing. Thinking about it, I feel dumb for even getting involved.

Oh and just so everyone knows, you were correct on the Constitution subject. I'm sorry for my misunderstanding and hope that you can forgive me.



Childish.

That menu is a list of options, they don't get to eat it all. It also doesn't tell you the size of portions given to the students. The students are the ones complaining about being hungry but you and Mrs. Obama know better than they do so we'll just tell the kids to eat and shutup.

 

[seebell]

Try and read the link slowly. Complaints are about portion size but also content.

From the link:
Nancy Carvalho, director of food services for New Bedford Public Schools, was quoted as saying that hummus and black bean salads have been tough sells in elementary cafeterias.
I listed the lunch menu of my school system. No black beans and hummus but the typical menu with more fruits and vegetables.

Relevance is a matter of opinion and perhaps open mindedness.

 

[Tide1986]

Try and read the link slowly. Complaints are about portion size but also content.

From the link:
Nancy Carvalho, director of food services for New Bedford Public Schools, was quoted as saying that hummus and black bean salads have been tough sells in elementary cafeterias.
I listed the lunch menu of my school system. No black beans and hummus but the typical menu with more fruits and vegetables.

Relevance is a matter of opinion and perhaps open mindedness.

Are you professing a lack of open mindedness? If you are, then I forgive you.

 

[MattinBama]

Posting the names of lunch items is not posting facts relevant to this thread. Posting nutritional information including calorie counts and portion sizes would be providing relevant facts.

Hey, at least he didn't look up the Wikipedia definition of lunch and post that. I'd say it's a slight improvement.

 

[seebell]

Are you professing a lack of open mindedness? If you are, then I forgive you.

Ah... He thinks he is the Messiah!