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RollTide_HTTR

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No, it is accurate. The schools project losses so that all looks good on paper...but the increase in coaches salaries, facilities, and booster money are beyond debate. Else why would so many smaller schools be going D-I? To get in on the money, that's why.
Financial reports can also be extremely misleading. I've read more about this in recent years and if a shirt or jersey is bought by a fan/student even if it's football specific not all of the revenue goes to the athletic department. Sometimes all licensing revenue is split 50/50 With the athletic department and the university.

There are also various other factors involved. Plus sometimes donations don't go completely to the athletic department. So again misleading

There are other accounting tricks too that's just a few i remember off the top of my head
 
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4Q Basket Case

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You’re interviewing several candidates for your Accounting Department.

When you ask, “What’s 2 + 2?” Most look at you like you have three heads, and say, “Four.”

You thank them for their time.

You hire the one who gives a lopsided grin and asks, “Oh, I don’t know….what do you want it to be?”

In all seriousness: Especially as regards Inventory, Revenue Recognition, Cost Allocation & Recognition, and Accounting For Distressed Assets — all of which have a far outsized impact on Net Income — Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) allow a wide range of treatments.

After 35 years in financial analysis and being a CFA charter holder, I have only a rudimentary understanding of most of that. The general public hasn’t a flippin’ clue.
 
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KrAzY3

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No, it is accurate. The schools project losses so that all looks good on paper...but the increase in coaches salaries, facilities, and booster money are beyond debate. Else why would so many smaller schools be going D-I? To get in on the money, that's why.
No that's not why at all, it's prestige, it's ego, it's people spending someone else's money. Look at the UAB football program, it was legitimately losing money. It took an increase in donations to get them to restart it. It was a bold move to because folding a huge money loser at a university is verboten, the things practically exist to waste money. The idea that a university does anything to make money is pretty funny, they waste money, that's what universities do.

As it was they were already subsidized millions every year, their athletic department is a financial black hole. Nearly every athletic department is subsidized and that's after the donations from boosters! They have to get a basket of city and state dollars, often some from the University and then booster money thrown in to support their spending. I can name program after program that loses millions, tens of millions in some cases, every single year.

You listed booster money but you get that's all donations right? They are literally donations to pay for those things you cited. These athletic departments are run on the non-profit model, and truth be told they probably waste less money than a lot of charities. Either way, we're talking billions annually given to athletic departments.

There are some football programs making legit money, but that quickly gets siphoned off by Title IX, and the rest of the athletic department. The money keeps the lights on so to speak. Within the athletic department it isn't like there's some rich guy building spaceships with his profits or something. For every dollar an athletic department generates in revenue, there's a substantial part of that that is subsidized and then virtually every cent is spent on the athletic department. That's how it works.

Now I've spared you the math, but if we continue I will bring that into the equation. We already addressed donations so boosters are covered. Now let's talk facilities. Who pray tell are the facilities for? They're for the players. It works like any university works (and if you've been on any decent campus you'll see there's all sorts of lavish spending on stuff for students, we can question the wisdom of for instance a giant kiln but they're not running a profitable business out of it I can assure you). How about salaries? Surely that's wrong right?

They're a college! What are coaches if not teachers? If the colleges did not pay them competitive salaries all the best coaches would work in the NFL. It's that simple. Alabama is a great example. The Alabama coaches coach up their players and their increase in earning far exceeds what the coaches are paid. The coaches have to be paid competitively or the players will suffer.

So, once again we have a non profit model, donations from boosters, facilities for the players, and coaches getting paid to teach them. So where's this profit? Where's the money? Who is sitting on a pile of it within the university? It all gets spent. Sure there's creative accounting, to spend more on football players, to get around Title IX and so on, but the programs spend a massive amount of money. Girls teams get flow around in private jets and so on, I welcome anyone to direct me to the hoard of wealth because in all the years I've spent looking into things I haven't found that. Every bit of evidence I've seen indicates that the athletic departments generally spend every cent and are often hungry for more.

Edit: Let me add one final thing, if I recall correctly Phil Knight has donated over a billion dollars to Oregon. Why on earth would he ever do it if he knew it was just going to fill some coffers someplace or to make some guy rich? He's smart enough, and rich enough, and had good enough accountants to figure out where that money is going. All the evidence I've seen, and presumably all the evidence he has seen indicates it's being spent on the athletic department, or why on earth would he keep up such lavish donations if it wasn't? No one donates millions to the Dallas Cowboys of the New England Patriots now do they?
 
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colbysullivan

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No that's not why at all, it's prestige, it's ego, it's people spending someone else's money. Look at the UAB football program, it was legitimately losing money. It took an increase in donations to get them to restart it. It was a bold move to because folding a huge money loser at a university is verboten, the things practically exist to waste money. The idea that a university does anything to make money is pretty funny, they waste money, that's what universities do.

As it was they were already subsidized millions every year, their athletic department is a financial black hole. Nearly every financial department is subsidized and that's after the donations from boosters! They have to get a basket of city and state dollars, often some from the University and then booster money thrown in to support their spending. I can name program after program that loses millions, tens of millions in some cases, every single year.

You listed booster money but you get that's all donations right? They are literally donations to pay for those things you cited. These athletic departments are run on the non-profit model, and truth be told they probably waste less money than a lot of charities. Either way, we're talking billions annually given to athletic departments.

There are some football programs making legit money, but that quickly gets siphoned off by Title IX, and the rest of the athletic department. The money keeps the lights on so to speak. Within the athletic department it isn't like there's some rich guy building spaceships with his profits or something. For every dollar an athletic department generates in revenue, there's a substantial part of that that is subsidized and then virtually every cent is spent on the athletic department. That's how it works.

Now I've spared you the math, but if we continue I will bring that into the equation. We already addressed donations so boosters are covered. Now let's talk facilities. Who pray tell are the facilities for? They're for the players. It works like any university works (and if you've been on any decent campus you'll see there's all sorts of lavish spending on stuff for students, we can question the wisdom of for instance a giant kiln but they're not running a profitable business out of it I can assure you). How about salaries? Surely that's wrong right?

They're a college! What are coaches if not teachers? If the colleges did not pay them competitive salaries all the best coaches would work in the NFL. It's that simple. Alabama is a great example. The Alabama coaches coach up their players and their increase in earning far exceeds what the coaches are paid. The coaches have to be paid competitively or the players will suffer.

So, once again we have a non profit model, donations from boosters, facilities for the players, and coaches getting paid to teach them. So where's this profit? Where's the money? Who is sitting on a pile of it within the university? It all gets spent. Sure there's creative accounting, to spend more on football players, to get around Title IX and so on, but the programs spend a massive amount of money. Girls teams get flow around in private jets and so on, I welcome anyone to direct me to the hoard of wealth because in all the years I've spent looking into things I haven't found that. Every bit of evidence I've seen indicates that the athletic departments generally spend every cent and are often hungry for more.

Edit: Let me add one final thing, if I recall correctly Phil Knight has donated over a billion dollars to Oregon. Why on earth would he ever do it if he knew it was just going to fill some coffers someplace or to make some guy rich? He's smart enough, and rich enough, and had good enough accountants to figure out where that money is going. All the evidence I've seen, and presumably all the evidence he has seen indicates it's being spent on the athletic department, or why on earth would he keep up such lavish donations if it wasn't? No one donates millions to the Dallas Cowboys of the New England Patriots now do they?
Nailed it
 

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This is getting ugly.

First, the Miami basketball player threatens to transfer if his NIL deal isn't increased. I haven't bothered to research the resolution, or even if there has been one yet. But that's really irrelevant. The fact that he did it in the first place, and either (1) got what he demanded, or (2) transferred, is damning.

Now, Pitt's Belitnikoff-winning WR looks to be transferring despite the fact that Pitt caved and matched the NIL offers from other schools. Guessing he doesn't think the new QB will be as good as Kenny Pickett, so his numbers won't be as good, so his chances to repeat the Belitnikoff are less, so his draft status could be affected, yah, yah, yah.....I'm gettin' me mine.

So much for the team. The whole portal / transfer / NIL situation is turning into an every-man-for-himself brawl, and I expect these first two incidents will turn out to be just the tip of the iceberg. More and worse are coming.

As abhorrent as I think it is, a CFB player's union negotiating with owners (i.e., P5 school presidents) would put some enforceable structure around the chaos. Right now, in the absence of any structure whatsoever, it's totally unmanageable.

I fully recognize that there are no perfect solutions. But this is what happens when you dispense with deeply flawed governance (the NCAA) without a materially less flawed replacement ready to go.

Late Add: Aaron Taylor nailed it in his tweet above. This thing is about to drive over a cliff.
 
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Soooo are we talking to this kid? Haha

a wr rotation of burton, Addison, and harrell would be the best in cfb and possibly the 2nd to 4th best wr room in Bama history. With Bryce, gibbs, a functional oline and even a remotely dependable te we would be unfreakingstopable. Someone cut him a check a let’s gooooo
 

RollTide_HTTR

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Soooo are we talking to this kid? Haha

a wr rotation of burton, Addison, and harrell would be the best in cfb and possibly the 2nd to 4th best wr room in Bama history. With Bryce, gibbs, a functional oline and even a remotely dependable te we would be unfreakingstopable. Someone cut him a check a let’s gooooo
I think the rumor is that he's likely USC bound.
 
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Mke4Bama

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From 247 Sports:
According to ESPN's Pete Thamel and sources, Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi called USC's Lincoln Riley on Friday "multiple times to express his displeasure" of reports that surfaced on Twitter centered around the Trojans' interest in the wideout.
 

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Riley tampering? Say it aint so.............
I think my favorite part of that whole BS story was the pseudo-justification from some talking head that said, "Well, Addison and Caleb Williams have a pre-existing relationship from playing football in the D.C. area, so I'm sure it was Williams that reached out to his buddy, not Lincoln Riley."

Addison played football in Frederick, MD, which is an hour outside of D.C. and part of a metropolitan region with a population that exceeds 10 million people. I'm not saying it's impossible that they knew each other, but come on...

That would be like me (living outside Ashville) blatantly attempting to poach a valuable client from a competitor in Bessemer and having some shill try to justify my actions by saying, "I'm sure they knew each other beforehand. They both live outside Birmingham."
 

NoNC4Tubs

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I think my favorite part of that whole BS story was the pseudo-justification from some talking head that said, "Well, Addison and Caleb Williams have a pre-existing relationship from playing football in the D.C. area, so I'm sure it was Williams that reached out to his buddy, not Lincoln Riley."

Addison played football in Frederick, MD, which is an hour outside of D.C. and part of a metropolitan region with a population that exceeds 10 million people. I'm not saying it's impossible that they knew each other, but come on...

That would be like me (living outside Ashville) blatantly attempting to poach a valuable client from a competitor in Bessemer and having some shill try to justify my actions by saying, "I'm sure they knew each other beforehand. They both live outside Birmingham."
What you said sounds reasonable, but you aren't taking into account the various all-star games and camps...🤔
 

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Personally, I find this whole thing hilarious because when Saban warned everyone about this, wrote it off as him whining now everyone wants to ring the alarm? Nah, don’t do that now.

For the record, I’m for NIL, I’m for players making money off of their name but anyone with a brain knew that the lack of rules & regulations regarding NIL & The Portal was gonna lead to major tampering.
 
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