NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations (Freeze has resigned)

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Believe you're the only non-OM person I've read or heard say this. If anything, the firing makes it harder for them. They have to go into the meeting and say "Listen, we fired him because he lied to us about some of his personal affairs, but we promise his football character is immaculate. We trust him when he says he's very compliant."

Good luck with that.
Well, if they are still trying to tell the NCAA that this is all some big mistake and that they are innocent, then you are correct. And while that is what they are saying in the public, I bet that they are licking the boots of the infractions team right now.
 

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This story has legs not just because of it's lasciviousness, but because OM was hanging their defense on the fact that xCHF was a 'man of character, a man of integrity'.

I agree that one's personal life is just that, but I'll pose the same question I've posted before - if a man will cheat on his wife, who won't he cheat on?
He cheated - that was known with or without the escorts. The escorts change nothing for me. I would ask his wife - if you knew that your husband was cheating this much as a coach, why are you surprised to learn that he was cheating on you?
 

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Well, if they are still trying to tell the NCAA that this is all some big mistake and that they are innocent, then you are correct. And while that is what they are saying in the public, I bet that they are licking the boots of the infractions team right now.
Granted, their response was released before Hugh was canned, but their response continued the narrative they've tried to get people to believe since the news first broke.
 

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Well, if they are still trying to tell the NCAA that this is all some big mistake and that they are innocent, then you are correct. And while that is what they are saying in the public, I bet that they are licking the boots of the infractions team right now.
They are too arrogant ----------and lie too much. They have been caught by the NCAA in so many lies, it is a little too late for contrition now. And Mars is uncovering more and more stuff everyday. There is no telling how many people are looking at phone records. And there is no telling how many different phone numbers all those people know. I've got a suspicion something will break in the next few days that will implicate some of those still left who thought they had been able to stay out of the mud.

We are back to the same spot we were several months ago when I proposed that no one was running the place. There is no one to take the lead in being contrite and humble. Now, without Freeze, the money is leading Bjork around by the nose and the Chancellor is being kept out of the loop. The next three weeks should be fun.
 

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Well, if they are still trying to tell the NCAA that this is all some big mistake and that they are innocent, then you are correct. And while that is what they are saying in the public, I bet that they are licking the boots of the infractions team right now.
In EVERY response to the NCAA from Ole Miss and public statement they've made (including at the press conference announcing his firing), they have expressed confidence in his compliance program and defended him against the allegations. They are trying to say that his firing was over moral turpitude issues only and has nothing to do it with the NCAA mess. Granted, it is seldom wise to change your defense strategy on the eve of a trial, but I think it makes Ole Miss look silly, proclaiming his moral failures while sitting beside him next month in front of the Committee on Infractions as they extol his integrity at the same time. Perhaps they will change strategy and try to nudge him under the bus at the COI hearing, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
 

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In EVERY response to the NCAA from Ole Miss and public statement they've made (including at the press conference announcing his firing), they have expressed confidence in his compliance program and defended him against the allegations. They are trying to say that his firing was over moral turpitude issues only and has nothing to do it with the NCAA mess. Granted, it is seldom wise to change your defense strategy on the eve of a trial, but I think it makes Ole Miss look silly, proclaiming his moral failures while sitting beside him next month in front of the Committee on Infractions as they extol his integrity at the same time. Perhaps they will change strategy and try to nudge him under the bus at the COI hearing, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
They were willing to throw every other former coach under the bus. It would actually follow the pattern that they have already established. I think that they put this all on Freeze and people no longer associated with the program. The NCAA has made it clear that they are not going to brush off the infractions. Time for damage control. Probably too late to matter, but I would bet that they are going to try.

ETA - again, this is just an opinion. I hope that I am wrong.
 

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They were willing to throw every other former coach under the bus. It would actually follow the pattern that they have already established. I think that they put this all on Freeze and people no longer associated with the program. The NCAA has made it clear that they are not going to brush off the infractions. Time for damage control. Probably too late to matter, but I would bet that they are going to try.

ETA - again, this is just an opinion. I hope that I am wrong.
They're in a tricky spot. The "lack of institutional control" charge is really the biggie here, and it is really hard to assert such control exists if they have to admit that new evidence has surfaced in past 45 days putting Freeze at the center of these violations after years of steadfast denials and solidarity between the school and the coach. Taking that approach would almost be an outright admission that a lack of institutional control did indeed exist.
 

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They're in a tricky spot. The "lack of institutional control" charge is really the biggie here, and it is really hard to assert such control exists if they have to admit that new evidence has surfaced in past 45 days putting Freeze at the center of these violations after years of steadfast denials and solidarity between the school and the coach. Taking that approach would almost be an outright admission that a lack of institutional control did indeed exist.
Yep - the question is, do they believe that they are getting slammed for this no matter what they say. If they do, they throw themselves on the mercy of the committee. If they think that they have a chance, they keep up the trickery.
 

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Yep - the question is, do they believe that they are getting slammed for this no matter what they say. If they do, they throw themselves on the mercy of the committee. If they think that they have a chance, they keep up the trickery.
I think most Ole Miss people simply want it over, no matter how bad it is. There is likely a fear that any "new evidence" implicating Freeze in the violations that might be "discovered" at this late hour would probably reopen the investigative phase, keep it open longer, and perhaps prolong the rebuilding on the other side. Freeze himself could ask for an extension to defend himself (imagine trying to hire a coach with this stuff unresolved). But I think that the AD, Bjork, is really the one at the most risk now. He thumbed his nose at this investigation for the better part of 3 years by minimizing it and pointing the finger at Nutt, wrapped himself and his institution's defense around the unimpeachable integrity of Freeze, and rolled the dice that Freeze's popularity with the fans and his winning would carry them through whatever happened. Now...not only was all that wrong, but Freeze was apparently using school-issued phones to commandeer ladies of the night all the while. If Bjork doesn't wind up taking the fall for this, he's a Houdini for sure!
 

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The tough thing for Ole Miss and their argument is they have to say NCAA rules were being obeyed by Freeze, who was fired for not following school rules.
Without evidence that he was purchasing the time of the escorts for players, I'll work under the assumption that he was doing this for the same reason that almost every other person uses escorts - for his own pleasure. This is between him and his wife. I couldn't care less.

If you want Ole Miss to burn for their NCAA infractions, you kinda wanted Freeze on the payroll until the end. Not only did Ole Miss save money because of the escorts, but they look better in the eyes of the NCAA for having taken this action before it was required (because a show cause was/is coming if half of what we have read proves out).
 
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How the NCAA's investigation into Ole Miss trapped a Mississippi State player


Every time Leo Lewis spoke to the NCAA, the conversation started the same way.

There was always a statement for the record, a reminder from college sports’ governing body that Lewis would be safe ... so long as he told the truth.

“Leo, do you understand that the limited immunity offer is contingent on you doing that, providing complete and truthful information?” NCAA investigator Mike Sheridan asked Lewis, reading from a prepared document.

“Yes sir,” Lewis replied.

That first time, they were in a Hilton Garden Inn off the highway in Starkville, Miss., early on a humid Wednesday morning in August of 2016. Sheridan went through a series of formal statements for the record; Lewis was immune from losing his NCAA eligibility for anything he might have done as a college football player or as a recruit “... so long as you provide complete, truthful, and accurate information,” Sheridan said.
 

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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
The problem I have with "witnesses" like this is:

-He currently plays for a hated rival which could easily influence him to embellish or just flat out lie.

-Unless I overlooked it, I didn't see anything in place to be able to tell whether he's telling them everything or not, or even telling the truth, or not.


But since it's not Alabama. I couldn't care less.
Y'all dropping your recruitment of him turned out to be a stroke of genius. Kid is poison.
 

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Re: Report: Mississippi State LB Leo Lewis received $21,000 before National Signing D

So he gets paid by ol sis and Miss State to only choose to go to the rival state school with 21,000 in hand and only has to testify that ol sis paid him and he gets immunity? Sounds like a movie plot.
 
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