New coach search...

[bamadp]

Well whomever the ptb get, I hope they vet all aspects of their lives. Our next coach needs to do three main things. #!. stay out of personal trouble, #2. keep us out of NCAA trouble, and #3. improve our team which will result in winning. Say what you will about CAG's coaching, but he accomplished #1 and #2, but #3 not so much. If we forfeit #1 for the sake of #3, we end up with Mike Price. If we forfeit #2 for the sake of #3, we end up with Bruce Pearl. I know there's someone out there that can do all three. I don't know who that is, but I'm just a Bama fan...not one of the ptb. RTR

 

[CrimsonPride]

Well whomever the ptb get, I hope they vet all aspects of their lives. Our next coach needs to do three main things. #!. stay out of personal trouble, #2. keep us out of NCAA trouble, and #3. improve our team which will result in winning. Say what you will about CAG's coaching, but he accomplished #1 and #2, but #3 not so much. If we forfeit #1 for the sake of #3, we end up with Mike Price. If we forfeit #2 for the sake of #3, we end up with Bruce Pearl. I know there's someone out there that can do all three. I don't know who that is, but I'm just a Bama fan...not one of the ptb. RTR

I agree. Another consequence of #3 is that the NCAA will bypass the basketball program and head straight to the football program. We have already been on that ride and did not enjoy it at all.

 

[Alasippi]

I'd bet a bucket of chicken that it's going to be Frohm.
We're not going to get a proven, name coach.
We are in a position where we're going to have to play the slot machine, pull the lever, and hope to God that it works.
That sounds horrible, but then remember, John Bostick was C.M. Newton's first assistant. Wimp was his second.
We took a chance and we did o.k....Not great but o.k.
Was Wimp a great coach? Nope. Not at all. But he could recruit.
Devil's advocate??? Those kids he recruited from Andalusia, Quitman, Ms, Meridian, Jackson, etc.
They're not there anymore, and on the rare occasion that they are, a true basketball program, like Kentucky, grabs them.
See Bledsoe. Google Cousins.
There is no "Nick Saban", as a basketball coach, who can save Bama basketball.
We're going to have to simply take a chance.
It's that simple.
sip

 

[BamaMoon]

I keep reading Alabama is the 2nd best basketball program in the history of the SEC. What does that really mean? In the last 20 plus years we've been a mediocre program that has shown flashes here and there. We've made it past the 2nd round once. We went to the Elite 8, but so did George Mason. Today our program is on the same level it was when Hobbs left and when Gottfried left. I really hope we get it turned around with the next coach.

What does that mean us being the 2nd best program in the history of the SEC? It means the same thing as the Bama football program being the best program in the SEC as of 2007. History is history. Our short term history is not as good as we would like but you can't just throw out the 60 years before that.

Earlier in the thread (I think it was this one) I compared Bama basketball to UT football right now. UT football is "historically" the 2nd best in the SEC, but they haven't been in that stratesphere since the early 2000's now.

Bama basketball is a lot like UT football...they both will eventually rise again...question is can we get past just being a tourney team and ocasionally getting to the sweet 16 or elite 8 and can we get to a truly elite, championship level?

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Crean has a .524% winning percentage at Indiana. It's so bad you'd think Sampson actually caused Indiana to face penalties from the NCAA but he didn't, they just got put on probation. Mike Davis, who a lot of Alabama fans are wisely not suggestion, both had more trips to the NCAA tournament and a better winning percentage at Indiana. I guess I'd buy the idea that Crean somehow turned Indiana around (though turning Indiana around seems like it would have to be for the worse), if he hadn't lost 18 games in his past two seasons. That's not exactly tearing things up at a basketball power.

Creen coached a veritable intramural team his first several years in Bloomington. Might skew his winning percentage, don't you think? Nowland's reported behavior in his last years at Westwood should give all of us significant pause. A veteran coach with very little interpersonal skills or moral code? Swell. Let's order two.

 

[pchil86]

Good article with a ton of details on potential coaches:

www.alabamaintel.com/alabama-basket...st-get-this-hire-right-the-top-11-candidates/

 

[BamaMoon]

Good article with a ton of details on potential coaches:

www.alabamaintel.com/alabama-basket...st-get-this-hire-right-the-top-11-candidates/

After reading that I hape that Battle will approach Marshall like Coach Moore approached CNS.

Just make him an offer that he can't possibly refuse. Make it performance based, no buyout, etc. Pay the guy and get out of the way and let him do what he's proven he can do.

 

[pchil86]

After reading that I hape that Battle will approach Marshall like Coach Moore approached CNS.

Just make him an offer that he can't possibly refuse. Make it performance based, no buyout, etc. Pay the guy and get out of the way and let him do what he's proven he can do.

Exactly......we need to make a Saban-esque hire.....a big name that is a proven winner that will change the culture as Saban did for football.....I think they are willing to put up the money for that type of coach

 

[bamahippie]

When you talk about Cousins and Bledsoe, people forget that DeMarcus committed to Calipari AT MEMPHIS and Eric was predicted to do the same before Cal jumped to Kentucky and both of them followed him.

People also forget that Cousins was at one time committed to UAB. U.A.B. And if he had the opportunity to get a "I can transfer with no strings attached if Mike Davis leaves" deal, he would have stayed. And Bledsoe actually went through a period of thinking about coming to Bama.

I know we're not gonna beat out UK for hardly any recruits, but it can be done, with the right coach(es) and the right relationships.

 

[RTR91]

RUMOR: TOM CREAN, YOGI FERRELL, TROY WILLIAMS TO LEAVE IU FOR ALABAMA

 

[GrayTide]

http://www.playerwives.com/miscella...d-coach-tom-creans-wife-joani-harbaugh-crean/

Just an FYI

 

[pchil86]

RUMOR: TOM CREAN, YOGI FERRELL, TROY WILLIAMS TO LEAVE IU FOR ALABAMA

Honestly, Tom Crean coming to Alabama doesn't excite me at all.....he hasn't been great at IU his record there is 120-107.......

 

[Drifter]

An IU guy (who has worked at both IU and Bama) just told me, if we get Crean, it will usher in a Golden Age of Alabama basketball.

 

[CrimsonChuck]

Cecil Hurt just retweeted this article, which wasn't exactly postive.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...creans-fate-longer-tom-creans-hands/24370679/

"Creaning" is a thing. It's an insult, it's a verb, it's a way of life for Indiana basketball. It's the way the Hoosiers roster turns over almost every year, magically if you want to be naïve about it, with IU coach Tom Crean somehow finding a way to fit 14 or 15 scholarship athletes into the 13-player maximum. How does he do that?

After reading it, I gotta say one thing. Other coaches and fans accuse Saban of doing the exact same thing.

Edit: Just noticed that Hurt original posted it on March 4.

 

[RTR91]

Honestly, Tom Crean coming to Alabama doesn't excite me at all.....he hasn't been great at IU his record there is 120-107.......

He's actually 121-110, but consider the circumstances at Indiana when he arrived...

On April 1, 2008, Crean was hired as head coach of the Indiana Hoosiers, succeeding interim head coach Dan Dakich. Dakich had replaced former coach Kelvin Sampson, who resigned after NCAA recruiting violations. Between Crean's hiring and the start of the 2008–09 season, freshman Eric Gordon opted to leave early for the NBA and star forward DJ White graduated. Two players kicked off the team by Dakich were not allowed back by Crean, one was dismissed by Crean and two transferred. As a result, Crean began with a roster consisting only of two walk-ons who had scored a combined 36 points in their careers. Despite the long odds, Crean was known to approach games and practices as if Indiana could compete in each one and to continue stressing Hoosier Hysteria and the long tradition of success at the school.[2] He was well aware that he was walking into a difficult situation. However, when asked why he left Marquette, Crean replied, "It's Indiana. It's Indiana, and that is the bottom line."

With a depleted roster and damaged recruiting lure, Crean's first three seasons saw consecutive losing records of 6–25 (the worst in school history), 10-21, and 12-20. However, during this period Crean's recruiting classes progressively improved, most notably with the signing of five-star recruit and McDonald's All-American Cody Zeller, an Indiana native and lifelong Indiana Hoosier fan. Zeller was the highest ranked recruit to join the Indiana program since the Sampson era.

IOW, 66 of his losses came in his first three years there. Over half of his losses are in the first three years while 76% of his wins have been in the last four.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Crean is not the only candidate. But facts are facts.

At Marquette in the glory years of the Big East: 190-96, including Top 25 finishes in about half his seasons.

At Indiana: Strike out the first three years when, in the wake of Sampson, Crean had to work around mass defections and NCAA sanctions and you get this:

27-9: 16th in final rankings
29-7: 4th in final rankings
17-15
21-13

That's a .681 winning percentage in, top to bottom, the toughest conference in the country -- and a far more accurate assessment of what Crean could bring.

 

[CrimsonChuck]

The Indiana game is Friday at 1:45pm Eastern on CBS. I think I might tape that one as I'll be working then. Ironically, they will be playing Wichita State so that is a double reason to check it out.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Sorry to keep adding posts but the glitches won't let me amend my old ones.

Crean and Wade

 

[bamanut_aj]

I think Prohm would be a good hire.

Honestly, I don't know why anyone like Marshall comes to Alabama. I'm not trying to run the program in the ground here, but why would you leave a perennial like Witchita State, to come to Alabama right now. UNLESS, he wants to build something; in which case, come on down!


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[CajunCrimson]

Because Wichita State doesn't really have the ability to maintain their "perennial" -- no mid major (other than Gonzaga) really does.....

At some point he'll hit a wall....