New Lost Theory: Flocke’s Been Here All Along

[RedStar]

I’ve gone back and watched some of Season 1 in my spare time. I was hoping to pick up on some things we all may have skipped over the first time around. After watching most of Season 1, I’ve developed a a new theory. Flocke’s been there since Day 1.

Time travel has been a recurring theme throughout the course of the show. If Sayid, Desmond, Jack, Sawyer, Kate, etc are able to travel through time, then it’s possible, and even plausible that Flocke can also time travel.

If Flocke can time travel, and if he’s as calculating and manipulative as he’s been portrayed, then I believe that Flocke didn’t make his first appearance in Season 5 of LOST, he made it in season 1.

During most of Season 1, Locke spent much of his time in the woods uncovering a hatch, or hunting boar with Boone. On one of his hunting expeditions, he came face to face with the smoke monster. This was long before we were allowed to see the smoke monster, but the shadows and sounds let us know what it was that John was looking at.

Several episodes later, we hear Locke utter one of his more memorable quotes: “I have looked into the eye of this island, and what i saw was beautiful” What did he mean by this? Was it even Locke who was speaking?

From this point on, we know Locke has a special connection with the island, we just don’t know what it is, and maybe Locke doesn’t realize it either.

I believe Flocke time traveled to just after the plane crash initially happened, and he’s been influencing the decisions of the survivors since the show first began. In a recent episode “The Last Recruit,” Flocke tells Jack that he helped lead him to water in Season 1. I went back and watched that episode, this is what I found.

Jack sees his father disappear into the woods and Jack gets the courage to follow him. He continues to chase after him even after he disappears. The scene cuts back to the beach, where Kate is asking if anyone knows where Jack is. Locke (who I believe to be Flocke in this particular scene, as the real Locke is probably out hunting boar,) speaks up and says “Don’t worry, I know where to find him.” The scene cuts back to the jungle, where Jack is now running in any direction trying to find any sign of his dead father. He trips over a branch, tumbles down a hill and catches himself on a tree root overhanging a steep cliff. It looks bad for Jack, he’s losing his grip on the root and faces certain death, until a hand appears. Locke’s hand. Locke extends his arm and helps pull Jack over the ledge and back to safety.

Later, over a campfire, Locke asks him what he’s doing running around in the middle of the jungle. Jack responds by telling him he thinks he’s going crazy, that he’s searching for something he knows isn’t there. Locke replies, “No, crazy people don't know they're going crazy, they think they're getting saner.” He then stands up and begins to head back to the beach. Jack starts to pack his bags and follow him back to the beach when Locke suddenly says “I think you need to stay out here a while Jack. You need to find whatever it is you’re looking for.”

Locke knew Jack needed to keep looking for his dead father because it would lead him to water. How did he know this? Because he was Flocke, not Locke.

Whenever Locke was out in the jungle with Boone doing whatever it is he was doing, Flocke was occasionally back at camp, guiding the survivors in the direction he needed them to go. It’s how he knew where Jack would be, it’s how he knew Walt started the fire, it’s how he appeared in Claires dream with black and white eyes, etc.

I challenge any of you who have the time to go back, and try to watch the first 5 seasons in the next month. Most of what Locke says in Season 1 takes on an entirely new meaning when looked at through half a decade of character and plot development. I’m starting Season 2 tonight, hopefully I’ll have more to report back on.

 

[DiamondDust]

I’ve gone back and watched some of Season 1 in my spare time. I was hoping to pick up on some things we all may have skipped over the first time around. After watching most of Season 1, I’ve developed a a new theory. Flocke’s been there since Day 1.

Time travel has been a recurring theme throughout the course of the show. If Sayid, Desmond, Jack, Sawyer, Kate, etc are able to travel through time, then it’s possible, and even plausible that Flocke can also time travel.

If Flocke can time travel, and if he’s as calculating and manipulative as he’s been portrayed, then I believe that Flocke didn’t make his first appearance in Season 5 of LOST, he made it in season 1.

During most of Season 1, Locke spent much of his time in the woods uncovering a hatch, or hunting boar with Boone. On one of his hunting expeditions, he came face to face with the smoke monster. This was long before we were allowed to see the smoke monster, but the shadows and sounds let us know what it was that John was looking at.

Several episodes later, we hear Locke utter one of his more memorable quotes: “I have looked into the eye of this island, and what i saw was beautiful” What did he mean by this? Was it even Locke who was speaking?

From this point on, we know Locke has a special connection with the island, we just don’t know what it is, and maybe Locke doesn’t realize it either.

I believe Flocke time traveled to just after the plane crash initially happened, and he’s been influencing the decisions of the survivors since the show first began. In a recent episode “The Last Recruit,” Flocke tells Jack that he helped lead him to water in Season 1. I went back and watched that episode, this is what I found.

Jack sees his father disappear into the woods and Jack gets the courage to follow him. He continues to chase after him even after he disappears. The scene cuts back to the beach, where Kate is asking if anyone knows where Jack is. Locke (who I believe to be Flocke in this particular scene, as the real Locke is probably out hunting boar,) speaks up and says “Don’t worry, I know where to find him.” The scene cuts back to the jungle, where Jack is now running in any direction trying to find any sign of his dead father. He trips over a branch, tumbles down a hill and catches himself on a tree root overhanging a steep cliff. It looks bad for Jack, he’s losing his grip on the root and faces certain death, until a hand appears. Locke’s hand. Locke extends his arm and helps pull Jack over the ledge and back to safety.

Later, over a campfire, Locke asks him what he’s doing running around in the middle of the jungle. Jack responds by telling him he thinks he’s going crazy, that he’s searching for something he knows isn’t there. Locke replies, “No, crazy people don't know they're going crazy, they think they're getting saner.” He then stands up and begins to head back to the beach. Jack starts to pack his bags and follow him back to the beach when Locke suddenly says “I think you need to stay out here a while Jack. You need to find whatever it is you’re looking for.”

Locke knew Jack needed to keep looking for his dead father because it would lead him to water. How did he know this? Because he was Flocke, not Locke.

Whenever Locke was out in the jungle with Boone doing whatever it is he was doing, Flocke was occasionally back at camp, guiding the survivors in the direction he needed them to go. It’s how he knew where Jack would be, it’s how he knew Walt started the fire, it’s how he appeared in Claires dream with black and white eyes, etc.

I challenge any of you who have the time to go back, and try to watch the first 5 seasons in the next month. Most of what Locke says in Season 1 takes on an entirely new meaning when looked at through half a decade of character and plot development. I’m starting Season 2 tonight, hopefully I’ll have more to report back on.

The Man in Black/Smoke Monster has been on the island for a LONG time (And we're going to see just how long next week). He can only take the shape of someone who is dead, though, and that is why he appeared as Jack's dad and other dead people on the island (Eko's brother, Hurley's friend Dave, Alex, amongst others). Locke was the perfect pawn for the Man in Black - someone who truly did believe in the island and could be exploited. Locke thought he was there for a reason (Jacob did touch him), and he was the one who believed it most. He believed it so much that the Man in Black was able to con Locke himself into dying so that he could close the loop hole and have Jacob killed.

The Man in Black was never Locke until the Ajira plane crashed on the island with Locke's body. Whatever rules are in play prevented him from doing that. He was simply just biding his time until that moment happened because Locke was the easiest one to exploit.

Locke's actions in the early part of the series were based on him thinking he was special because he regained his ability to walk by being on the island. As a result, he thought he had a connection with the island. The whole part of "seeing the eye of the island" and nearly being drug down the whole by the Smoke Monster at the end of season 1 will be explained. Still, Flocke isn't time traveling, and Locke was always just a ordinary person who had been beaten down by life. He thought he was doing something special by dying for the island, when really... dead is dead. He got played by a long con, which adds to the tragic nature of the character.

The other thing is that Jacob and The Man in Black can't time travel at "will", so to speak. The only reason the time shifts happened in the first place is because the frozen wheel got off its axis... which lead The Man in Black, as Christian, to get Locke to start the process of going back in time to set-up the murder by Ben. The island, though, corrected itself when Sawyer and company ended up in the 1970's. It did another "course correction" as Juliet was about to detonate Jughead to shift everyone back to 2007, which Jacob warned the Man in Black about as he was dying. The Man in Black had a concerned look on his face because he finally thought he would be able to leave thanks to Jacob dying, but the "course correction" brought the candidates back to the present day... thus complicating his escape.

Next week's episode is going to shed a ton of light on the true nature of Jacob and The Man in Black. Just wait for it.

 

[RedStar]

The Man in Black/Smoke Monster has been on the island for a LONG time (And we're going to see just how long next week). He can only take the shape of someone who is dead, though, and that is why he appeared as Jack's dad and other dead people on the island (Eko's brother, Hurley's friend Dave, Alex, amongst others). Locke was the perfect pawn for the Man in Black - someone who truly did believe in the island and could be exploited. Locke thought he was there for a reason (Jacob did touch him), and he was the one who believed it most. He believed it so much that the Man in Black was able to con Locke himself into dying so that he could close the loop hole and have Jacob killed.

You say that like I’ve never watched the show.

The Man in Black was never Locke until the Ajira plane crashed on the island with Locke's body. Whatever rules are in play prevented him from doing that. He was simply just biding his time until that moment happened because Locke was the easiest one to exploit.

I never suggested he was Locke before then. I know someone has to die in order for the MiB to take his form. That’s why I suggested time travel. Locke died and the MiB took his form, but if the MiB can time travel, shouldn’t he still be able to take on Locke’s form? After all, if he’s from the future, a future in which Locke is dead, he’d still be able to take his form.

Locke's actions in the early part of the series were based on him thinking he was special because he regained his ability to walk by being on the island. As a result, he thought he had a connection with the island. The whole part of "seeing the eye of the island" and nearly being drug down the whole by the Smoke Monster at the end of season 1 will be explained. Still, Flocke isn't time traveling, and Locke was always just a ordinary person who had been beaten down by life. He thought he was doing something special by dying for the island, when really... dead is dead. He got played by a long con, which adds to the tragic nature of the character.

He’s a little too special in Season 1. There’s no way that Locke knows what he knows unless it’s not really Locke. I’m suggesting there are two Locke’s in Season 1. Flocke who appears only when Locke isn’t around, and of course, the original John Locke, who spent most of his time traipsing through the jungle with Boone hunting wild boar. I think the main reason I am drawn to this theory is because there have just been TOO MANY early season instances where the John Locke we saw didn't seem to be himself or say things he would say....but those instances seem to really fit "Flocke"! Examples include:

His words to Jack afterward at the campfire eerily suggest that he knew something about Jack that he had no business knowing. Telling him that "a leader can't lead until he knows where he's going" suggests that he was guiding/pushing Jack to assume the role of leader of the survivors. Isn’t it a little too convenient that Locke just happens to know where Sayid is so that he can blindside him when he is attempting to triangulate the position of the transmitter? How did he know about Boone's inappropriate relationship with Shannon? How about when he predicts the rain will fall in exactly one minute? More than any of those though, is just how in the world he knows where Jack will be when he’s hanging off of a cliff facing certain death?

I’m not saying that Flocke was Locke the entire first season, but I am saying he was walking around pretending to be Locke on certain occasions. My theory is that future Flocke was time traveling in order to influence the direction the survivors were headed. Go back and watch “Tabula Rasa.” Actually go back and watch the episodes 1-3 in order, it works much better this way. As the song “Wash Away,” by Joe Purdy plays at the end of Tabula Rasa, the tone of the show and the survivors seems to be fairly optimistic until it shows the back of Locke’s head. As it slowly pans around to show his face, the music turns dark and sinister to reveal a very menacing look on Locke’s face.

Simply foreshadowing? I don’t think so. . .

The other thing is that Jacob and The Man in Black can't time travel at "will", so to speak. The only reason the time shifts happened in the first place is because the frozen wheel got off its axis... which lead The Man in Black, as Christian, to get Locke to start the process of going back in time to set-up the murder by Ben. The island, though, corrected itself when Sawyer and company ended up in the 1970's. It did another "course correction" as Juliet was about to detonate Jughead to shift everyone back to 2007, which Jacob warned the Man in Black about as he was dying. The Man in Black had a concerned look on his face because he finally thought he would be able to leave thanks to Jacob dying, but the "course correction" brought the candidates back to the present day... thus complicating his escape.

Who’s to say that? It’s never been suggested in the show that neither of them could time travel. And you’re wrong, time travel did happen before that. Desmond time traveled well before the wheel got stuck. Even Ben mention that the Island can “move.” He never distinguished if it simply moved in space, or if it moved in time.

I'm not saying this theory is dead on accurate, only suggesting that it's possible, and it's a good reason for people to go back and watch Season's 1-5. You have a different perspective watching this show now then you did the first time around.

 

[DiamondDust]

You say that like I’ve never watched the show.



I never suggested he was Locke before then. I know someone has to die in order for the MiB to take his form. That’s why I suggested time travel. Locke died and the MiB took his form, but if the MiB can time travel, shouldn’t he still be able to take on Locke’s form? After all, if he’s from the future, a future in which Locke is dead, he’d still be able to take his form.



He’s a little too special in Season 1. There’s no way that Locke knows what he knows unless it’s not really Locke. I’m suggesting there are two Locke’s in Season 1. Flocke who appears only when Locke isn’t around, and of course, the original John Locke, who spent most of his time traipsing through the jungle with Boone hunting wild boar. I think the main reason I am drawn to this theory is because there have just been TOO MANY early season instances where the John Locke we saw didn't seem to be himself or say things he would say....but those instances seem to really fit "Flocke"! Examples include:

His words to Jack afterward at the campfire eerily suggest that he knew something about Jack that he had no business knowing. Telling him that "a leader can't lead until he knows where he's going" suggests that he was guiding/pushing Jack to assume the role of leader of the survivors. Isn’t it a little too convenient that Locke just happens to know where Sayid is so that he can blindside him when he is attempting to triangulate the position of the transmitter? How did he know about Boone's inappropriate relationship with Shannon? How about when he predicts the rain will fall in exactly one minute? More than any of those though, is just how in the world he knows where Jack will be when he’s hanging off of a cliff facing certain death?

I’m not saying that Flocke was Locke the entire first season, but I am saying he was walking around pretending to be Locke on certain occasions. My theory is that future Flocke was time traveling in order to influence the direction the survivors were headed. Go back and watch “Tabula Rasa.” Actually go back and watch the episodes 1-3 in order, it works much better this way. As the song “Wash Away,” by Joe Purdy plays at the end of Tabula Rasa, the tone of the show and the survivors seems to be fairly optimistic until it shows the back of Locke’s head. As it slowly pans around to show his face, the music turns dark and sinister to reveal a very menacing look on Locke’s face.

Simply foreshadowing? I don’t think so. . .



Who’s to say that? It’s never been suggested in the show that neither of them could time travel. And you’re wrong, time travel did happen before that. Desmond time traveled well before the wheel got stuck. Even Ben mention that the Island can “move.” He never distinguished if it simply moved in space, or if it moved in time.

I'm not saying this theory is dead on accurate, only suggesting that it's possible, and it's a good reason for people to go back and watch Season's 1-5. You have a different perspective watching this show now then you did the first time around.

Couple things about Desmond:

-He got "unstuck in time" due to the EM incident, and it was his consciousness that was shifting along the string (Example Faraday used). It was a form of time traveling, but it was his thoughts and memories from the present day ending up in a past form of himself. Physically, Desmond never left the present day.

In terms of the island moving, we are supposed to find out about that next week. We already know it can physically move as a previous location had it in the Atlantic Ocean (The voyage of The Black Rock that left the Canary Islands).

I'm just going on what I know in regards to the rest of the season in regards to The Man in Black/Time Travel/being Flocke in season 1. You're actually missing one key element about the Man in Black that was alluded to in season 1 that we will eventually find out, but that's dangerously approaching spoiler territory, unless you already know what I'm talking about.

It's definitely an interesting theory, but I honestly think they aren't going that approach. I think the Man in Black saw a definite exploitable resource in Locke, and was probably pulling the strings a bit... just as Jacob was doing as well... but I don't think he ever appeared as Locke/will be explained that he did. Plus, you also have to realize that Jacob and The Man in Black had been interfering in Locke's life since he was a kid (The visit by Richard to young Locke).