Notre Dame Bowl Revenue Question

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I think this gets lost on many. There is no “official” NCAA National championship for FBS teams. For years the bowl games were so profitable the schools and conferences wanted nothing to do with upsetting the monetary apple cart. Roy Kramer of the SEC organized the “Bowl Coalition” in the late 1990’s which led eventually the BCS.
 

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I’m no fan of the Irish, I just find the historical naïveté amusing when it involves Notre Dame. This is a team that for the better part of a half century repeatedly attempted to join the Big Ten conference, starting all the way back in 1901, but numerous factors ensured they were repeatedly forced to be independent, and I won’t even blast all of the reasons that that was by the Big Ten at the time.

Now all of a sudden, people want to force them to do something in the opposite direction.

Often forgotten is that Notre Dame once had this same ACC deal with the big east for a number of years. I never cared that much for the big east because it was just a way for Miami to corner of the market on bowl money (the terms were highly favorable for them on football) and give them a mostly cupcake schedule to run up their unbeaten seasons as the dynasty began to fade.

Notre Dame is forced by not joining the conference to play in the first round, more of an offsetting enough penalty, if you ask me.

Besides, most of the folks here, demanding that Notre Dame join a conference continually disparage the ACC, so do any of you really think that I believe for one moment that if Notre Dame ran the table in the ACC that you would suddenly find them worthy because they won the very conference being disparaged?

I can get the point from folks wanting them to join a conference to basically equalize everything. I understand that argument. But let’s not pretend that if Notre Dame was sitting here with the same record today that folks here blasting them would suddenly find them worthy. They would “a poor strength of schedule” and everything else.

The simple fact is that Notre Dame has beaten 11-1 Indiana, 11-2 SEC champ Georgia, and 13-2 Penn State in a span of three games in three weeks, only one at home. They’re going to get killed by Ohio State, but let’s not pretend that Notre Dame isn’t a decent football team, certainly one of the 4-5 best based on what happened on the field and not in the minds of projectionist.
 

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I retired to southwest Florida 20 years ago and have played golf and made friends with a lot of BIG and Notre Dame fans. For the most part they have conceded that the SEC has been the dominate conference during this time. The facts speak for themselves. Generally after last year and definitely after this year they all think SEC dominance is over. I can see why with Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina and Texas all getting beat and some were hammered. Notre Dame fans wanted them to join a conference after the Northern Illinois lost, but now probably think they should stay independent. I did not know Notre Dame tried to join the BIG in the past. The SEC got hurt by the portal and the best teams did a bad job managing it. Not sure what the future will bring, but managing the portal (retaining good players and getting good players where needed) will be as big as recruiting. They now have recruiting coordinators so I assume they have portal coordinators, but I am not sure of this. Dabo openly opposed the portal and apparently SEC teams did too.
 

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I’m no fan of the Irish, I just find the historical naïveté amusing when it involves Notre Dame. This is a team that for the better part of a half century repeatedly attempted to join the Big Ten conference, starting all the way back in 1901, but numerous factors ensured they were repeatedly forced to be independent, and I won’t even blast all of the reasons that that was by the Big Ten at the time.

Now all of a sudden, people want to force them to do something in the opposite direction.

Often forgotten is that Notre Dame once had this same ACC deal with the big east for a number of years. I never cared that much for the big east because it was just a way for Miami to corner of the market on bowl money (the terms were highly favorable for them on football) and give them a mostly cupcake schedule to run up their unbeaten seasons as the dynasty began to fade.

Notre Dame is forced by not joining the conference to play in the first round, more of an offsetting enough penalty, if you ask me.

Besides, most of the folks here, demanding that Notre Dame join a conference continually disparage the ACC, so do any of you really think that I believe for one moment that if Notre Dame ran the table in the ACC that you would suddenly find them worthy because they won the very conference being disparaged?

I can get the point from folks wanting them to join a conference to basically equalize everything. I understand that argument. But let’s not pretend that if Notre Dame was sitting here with the same record today that folks here blasting them would suddenly find them worthy. They would “a poor strength of schedule” and everything else.

The simple fact is that Notre Dame has beaten 11-1 Indiana, 11-2 SEC champ Georgia, and 13-2 Penn State in a span of three games in three weeks, only one at home. They’re going to get killed by Ohio State, but let’s not pretend that Notre Dame isn’t a decent football team, certainly one of the 4-5 best based on what happened on the field and not in the minds of projectionist.
We're going to ridicule ND regardless, because they're ND, LOL. They deserve it.

Buy they need to be in a conference and be under the same scheduling and revenue framework as the rest of us. If not, then they have have several layers of a competitive advantage over e eryone else.
 
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We're going to ridicule ND regardless, because they're ND, LOL. They deserve it.

Buy they need to be in a conference and be under the same scheduling and revenue framework as the rest of us. If not, then they have have several layers of a competitive advantage over e eryone else.
But who is going to make them join a conference?

They have it made and this season just confirmed that their independent status is most lucrative.😎
 

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The playoff committee can make it a criteria for anyone wanting to be eligible for the playoff.
Yeah, I don't see that happening...😎

The selection criteria needs to lean heavily on strength of schedule. If ND plays a strong schedule and wins, then they should be allowed to participate in the CFP.

The goal is to crown the best team in all of CFB, isn't it?🤔
 

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Notre Dame is forced by not joining the conference to play in the first round, more of an offsetting enough penalty, if you ask me.
For now.

I think this is going to be one of the first adjustments made to the CFP, maybe even before next year. No more auto seeding for conference champs. Top 4 seeds will go to the top 4 ranked teams which could include ND.
 

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For now.

I think this is going to be one of the first adjustments made to the CFP, maybe even before next year. No more auto seeding for conference champs. Top 4 seeds will go to the top 4 ranked teams which could include ND.
We are going to 16 teams anyway* so byes will be history after that.


*Yes I realize nothing is set in stone yet but I am willing (but not really) to be my life's savings it will not remain at 12 after this current 2 year agreement is up after next season.
 
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But who is going to make them join a conference?

They have it made and this season just confirmed that their independent status is most lucrative.😎
The SEC and BIG could force the issue by saying they will not participate in the playoff unless teams have to be in a conference in order to get a bid.

No one with any sense would place any value in a CFP that didn't have any teams from those two leagues.

And if they refused, then the SEC and BIG could create their own postseason tournament and name their own NC.

Allowing ND to rule the entire landscape by their own fiat is a horrible way to move forward.

ND must be told to join a conference or either be left out of the CFP or they can participate in a JV tournament while the SEC and BIG determine a real NC.

And I don't think this would be hard to achieve IF the PTB in the two conferences decide to put it to the committee that way.

The SEC and BIG together are more important to college football than the stupid playoff or ND.
 

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Probably not but they could do it if they had the rocks. If both conferences "boycott" the playoffs until everyone who participates is in a conference, I can guarantee you the playoff committee would flinch in a heartbeat.
Yeah, I get that, but what incentive is there for them to get together and do that? :unsure:
 

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Yeah, I get that, but what incentive is there for them to get together and do that? :unsure:
If it were me it would be to let the committee know where the power really lies, in the hands of the two biggest conferences. If the SEC/ Big 10 want to influence anything they better do it while they have leverage and right now they have plenty of leverage.
 
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I’m no fan of the Irish, I just find the historical naïveté amusing when it involves Notre Dame. This is a team that for the better part of a half century repeatedly attempted to join the Big Ten conference, starting all the way back in 1901, but numerous factors ensured they were repeatedly forced to be independent, and I won’t even blast all of the reasons that that was by the Big Ten at the time.

Now all of a sudden, people want to force them to do something in the opposite direction.

Often forgotten is that Notre Dame once had this same ACC deal with the big east for a number of years. I never cared that much for the big east because it was just a way for Miami to corner of the market on bowl money (the terms were highly favorable for them on football) and give them a mostly cupcake schedule to run up their unbeaten seasons as the dynasty began to fade.

Notre Dame is forced by not joining the conference to play in the first round, more of an offsetting enough penalty, if you ask me.

Besides, most of the folks here, demanding that Notre Dame join a conference continually disparage the ACC, so do any of you really think that I believe for one moment that if Notre Dame ran the table in the ACC that you would suddenly find them worthy because they won the very conference being disparaged?

I can get the point from folks wanting them to join a conference to basically equalize everything. I understand that argument. But let’s not pretend that if Notre Dame was sitting here with the same record today that folks here blasting them would suddenly find them worthy. They would “a poor strength of schedule” and everything else.

The simple fact is that Notre Dame has beaten 11-1 Indiana, 11-2 SEC champ Georgia, and 13-2 Penn State in a span of three games in three weeks, only one at home. They’re going to get killed by Ohio State, but let’s not pretend that Notre Dame isn’t a decent football team, certainly one of the 4-5 best based on what happened on the field and not in the minds of projectionist.
Nope, not gonna convince me with logic here.....Notre Dame sucks because they are Notre Dame.

I like Marcus Freeman though. Still hope Ohio State runs it up on them.
 

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Yeah, I get that, but what incentive is there for them to get together and do that? :unsure:
To ensure as level a playing field as possible by not allowing them to schedule a bunch of cupcakes and has beens that facilitates them sleepwalking into the field every year while the SEC and BIG cannibalize themselves during the regular season, and not allowing them to reap 10x the revenue of other teams that are actually in a conference.
 

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