Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama vs. Michigan...

[TideEngineer08]

I'm not happy about the loss, but I'm also a bit taken aback by the reactions some are having here.

Didn't we go undefeated in the SEC, vanquish UGA, and win the SEC?

I'd say we had a darn good season all things considered.

The bar is extremely high here. Perspective is difficult to obtain. I think most of the complaints are very valid, but when the books are written 10 and 20 years from now, there will be a lot of pride about a 12-2 season, with a 30th SEC title, and a 9-0 SEC record.

 

[BamaMoon]

I'm not happy about the loss, but I'm also a bit taken aback by the reactions some are having here.

Didn't we go undefeated in the SEC, vanquish UGA, and win the SEC?

I'd say we had a darn good season all things considered.

We are spoiled fans. I'll be first in line to admit it.

But now that we can look back with 20/20 hindsight the limitations are rather alarming.

This will always be an SEC championship team. RTR to that. The question is can this type of offense work again now that the blueprint is out on what to do to stop it and can it get us to the top again to win a NC???

Them's the questions IMO.

 

[BamaMoon]

I made a conscious decision a few years ago to develop a healthier perspective about Bama football.

I'm glad I did.

I've got a very healthy balance between my love of Tide football and the most important things in my life; faith and family.

I had trouble falling to sleep Monday but when I did I slept like a baby.

Not mad at anyone. I'm just being a Alabama fan that sees where there are some gaping holes that need to be filled.

 

[GrayTide]

Gray, I know you get kicked a little for your pessimism every now and again, but I think you are being a "realist" in this post.

Thanks Bama Moon. I have always tried to be a realist in all things. I do realize that in the nearly 20 years on Tidefans I have crossed the line between realism and pessimism. I truly understand the love for all things Alabama athletics, especially football, and a history unsurpassed by any other football program in the history of college football. I sometimes think this passion and love for the Crimson Tide clouds some fans' views and can be over the top. I don't fault them for their passion and zeal; I just try to view what the circumstances of the season have been or maybe without benefit of Crimson colored lenses. I love Tidefans and, hope I have not embarrassed or offended any member or visitor. Best wishes for a safe and prosperous 2024.
Roll Tide, Y'all

 

[CrimsonCleanse]

The 2023 team was a good team, no doubt. Maybe even great. But that's about as far as I'd go. They certainly weren't phenomenal. Jenny Dell with CBS called 2023 Bama one of the best college football teams to ever take the field. And I heard others say the same, even after the Texas, South Florida and Arkansas games. I never understood what people were seeing to arrive at that conclusion. The thing about the last two seasons is, we never really had that ""wow' game. That game where we just dominated from start to finish. The last time that happened, I mean really and truly happened was the 2021 SECCG. This team was about on par with the 2014 team. Same record, same trajectory. Lost early, won out, won the conference, made the playoffs, lost in the semifinals to a B1G team.

Maybe looking back, this may be one of the best Bama teams from the standpoint of the current era. Meaning 2022 and onwards. But I wouldn't lump them in with past Saban teams. 2010 Bama playing to its potential would beat the 2023 squad handily. Granted that's just my .02

 

[editder]

My football watchin' buddy, who does not even follow college football closely, asked, "If this has been going on all year, why hasn't Coach Saban fixed it?"
Inquiring minds want to know.
If a center has a rash of bad snaps in one game, the position coach pulls him aside and says, "What's going on? You cannot do this. It screws everything else up. Get it together."
If it happens again, the position coach says, "The problem is a disqualifier for your position. It simply cannot happen. Fix it, or we go to center #2."
If it continues, the head coach pulls the position coach aside, and says, "There are few zero-defect aspects of the game, but this is one of them. Fix this or you're fired."

The worst part of it is that the next best alternative is so bad that the botched snaps are still considered to be a better outcome.

 

[BamaMoon]

as is all of the sky is falling reaction

We are not talking "sky is falling." We are talking about fixing what limited us. For every big play this year, there's a unforgivable mistake that limited the offense all year long.

Sky is falling would be we can't compete in the SEC next year. The sky is the limit is improving to win the SEC again and advance to 12 team play off and win it all.

Right now, we are way above "sky if falling" and somewhere below "the sky is the limit."

RTR!

 

[TideEngineer08]

The 2023 team was a good team, no doubt. Maybe even great. But that's about as far as I'd go. They certainly weren't phenomenal. Jenny Dell with CBS called 2023 Bama one of the best college football teams to ever take the field. And I heard others say the same, even after the Texas, South Florida and Arkansas games. I never understood what people were seeing to arrive at that conclusion. The thing about the last two seasons is, we never really had that ""wow' game. That game where we just dominated from start to finish. The last time that happened, I mean really and truly happened was the 2021 SECCG. This team was about on par with the 2014 team. Same record, same trajectory. Lost early, won out, won the conference, made the playoffs, lost in the semifinals to a B1G team.

Maybe looking back, this may be one of the best Bama teams from the standpoint of the current era. Meaning 2022 and onwards. But I wouldn't lump them in with past Saban teams. 2010 Bama playing to its potential would beat the 2023 squad handily. Granted that's just my .02

There was a radio show I was listening to yesterday and the guest interview made the statement that of the 16 Alabama teams from 2008 until 2023, this 2023 team was probably the 13th or 14th best team, and that the 2010 team would beat it by 2 TDs.

I think I agree. And it's not due to talent, but discipline. Even that team at 10-3, had more discipline than this one. The losses were largely due to injury and one game that was just a bad game against a once in a lifetime effort - South Carolina. Although I think Mark Ingram was hurt by that point in the season.

Still... being the 14th best Nick Saban team at Alabama is no small feat!

 

[editder]

Washington may win the national championship, but they're the only playoff team that didn't beat Bama.

Including Bama

 

[editder]

No. Roydell was a disguise to get the middle LB out of the middle. There was no RPO. Jalen can't do that. It was a run play all the way. CNS said it in the post game.

He could have walked into the end zone if he had gone to the left. The bad snap almost certainly affected his ability to see it. Instead he panicked and ran into the wall.

 

[92tide]

We are not talking "sky is falling." We are talking about fixing what limited us. For every big play this year, there's a unforgivable mistake that limited the offense all year long.

Sky is falling would be we can't compete in the SEC next year. The sky is the limit is improving to win the SEC again and advance to 12 team play off and win it all.

Right now, we are way above "sky if falling" and somewhere below "the sky is the limit."

RTR!

and, at least in my mind, the complaints seem about the same as they were after every loss 2010 onward

 

[keith024]

fixed it for you

so he’s just limited lol

 

[Big Bama1966]

For me it was just a bad game offensively as I seen all year. I do not understand how JM gets benched for poor performance against UT when our center has been sending snaps all over the place for 14 games now. I mean 15 bad snaps in a CFP??? Not all of the issue lies there but the play begins with that exchange every play and JM looked more like a shortstop fielding the ball than he did a QB, The OL in general took 5 steps backwards but honestly the game plan was horrible.
We could of ran outside all night and won this game by 2 TD's. It seemed Rees was determined to throw the ball whether we could block or not.
On defense I do not understand the man-to-man concept when a team does nothing but motion to throw of the concept. Why we didn't jus run a zone defense to counter the shifts is beyond belief.

 

[Tidelines]

The TV numbers are in. As you would of thought they're good. 27.2 million viewers for the playoffs are the most since 2014. Most watched non-NFL event since 2018..

 

[BamaMoon]

He could have walked into the end zone if he had gone to the left. The bad snap almost certainly affected his ability to see it. Instead he panicked and ran into the wall.

While I agree and have said the same thing about the swing pass, it was never a RPO. CNS said in the post game presser it was a straight QB run the whole way. Passing to Roydell was never an "option" cause it was a QB run the whole way. The play just failed on multiple levels from the snap to Latham getting manhandled to Jalen not veering to the left behind the pulling right guard.

 

[Titans&Tide]

We also seem to have an issue getting the top kids from Central Phenix City on any type of regular basis.

Well, their coach is former Auburn QB Patrick Nix, so there's that...

 

[crimsonaudio]

I'm not happy about the loss, but I'm also a bit taken aback by the reactions some are having here.

Didn't we go undefeated in the SEC, vanquish UGA, and win the SEC?

I'd say we had a darn good season all things considered.

Depends entirely whether you grade based strictly on results or on the process that gets you there.

 

[editder]

While I agree and have said the same thing about the swing pass, it was never a RPO. CNS said in the post game presser it was a straight QB run the whole way. Passing to Roydell was never an "option" cause it was a QB run the whole way. The play just failed on multiple levels from the snap to Latham getting manhandled to Jalen not veering to the left behind the pulling right guard.

That’s what I was saying, that he should have run to the left. We’re in agreement.

 

[jthomas666]

We are spoiled fans. I'll be first in line to admit it.

But now that we can look back with 20/20 hindsight the limitations are rather alarming.

This will always be an SEC championship team. RTR to that. The question is can this type of offense work again now that the blueprint is out on what to do to stop it and can it get us to the top again to win a NC???

Them's the questions IMO.

IMO, the key question is how do we fix the OL as a unit? Until we solve that, it's gonna be hard to address the other problems.

 

[GrayTide]

I agree totally with jthomas. You can review the game and pick out individual plays that may or may not have changed the outcome, but all those plays aside, the single biggest reason for the loss is both the OL and DL got manhandled. With the current OL's performance it really makes no difference who the QB is. As I have said quite a few times; is our recruiting as good as we are led to believe,? It maybe at certain positions, but I really believe OL recruitment and development are about mid SEC level. It is pure folly to believe JM can be made into a Tua or Mack level QB.