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[crimsonaudio]

Very much has changed my friend. Your response reminds me a lot of most of the industry execs I've heard in the past 2 decades. "We're just giving the people what they want", is there mantra. More fertilizer for the lawn. Hungry people eat what they're fed. Yes there were the "Disco Ducks" and other one hit wonders back then but they actually were "Good Old Days" because the music wasn't controlled and it didn't suck. I could live with that small percentage of fluff as long as I got the other 99.8% of great music.

Are we talking about radio or music in general? You wanna take a left turn in the middle of the discussion, fine, but don't expect me to defend a position I never took. FWIW I do this everyday, and have for years. You think I don't know how radio works? I know because I work hand in hand with Hanson and McGathy and have singles playing on Clear, Infinity, and every locally owned radio station in the country.

The point is that music hasn't changed much - it's delivery method has. If you think the publlic is still finding the great music on radio, you're in the dark. Fact is there is easily 100X more music out there to find and enjoy today - if you're basing your thoughts on radio play, you're missing out. Luckily, the general public isn't.

And FWIW, the artist has never been a part of radio play - that's why payola came about in the first place...

 

[Spot Dailey]

The fact is that there is a lot of great music out there that will never be heard. And you are wrong. Most of the music today, including, country, rap, hiphop and grunge is just rehashed crap. Even the big artists in Nashvegas have to be subjected to a round table of non-artist types like promo guys, marketing execs and such who sit around a big table and decide what songs the artists are going to record. There again, the artist is completely disregarded in the process. The producers record the tracks and stick some big breasted bimbo's voice on it and you have your record. Also, think for a minute, do you think there's a chance in hades that Clear Channel would play any of the great stuff from the 60's or a modern equivalent. I'm talking about the Youngbloods "Come on People, Smile on your brother" or any of the conscious lifting war protest songs of that era or this. The conservative elite have and will continue to cull those types of statements from the market place. In regard to the question, Radio? or Record Industry, I'm talking about both radio and the industry. All music outlets basically. There's outlets like CDBaby and others that will carry new artists but as far as I know, no one out of their 15,000 or so clients that CD Baby carries has generated sales of over 5,000 units. The internet is just not the marketplace folks think it is. There's not a band alive that can survive on those kinds of sales. You're the one who's whistling in the dark over these issues. There are lots of Indy distributors but they won't take on new unproven acts without substantial monetary exchange. I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to. Get the F out of here. The Indy promotion people I menioned in my first post are Payola rats and just not the kind of people who you want to sell your soul to. Bottom land alive that can survive on those kinds of sales. You're the one who's whistling in the dark over these issues. There are lots of Indy distributors but they won't take on new unproven acts without substantial monetary exchange. I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to. Get the F out of here. The Indy promotion people I menioned in my first post are Payola rats and just not the kind of people who you want to sell your soul to. Bottom line is, the major labels cannot survive without radio. They have the bucks so they indirectly, through these promotion schemes, control what radio there is. In the '60's and '70's the AM stations had a top 40 playlist during the day and would introduce new acts in the late night and early morning slots. There's only a top 10 at best these days because the marketing gurus want more bang for their buck. It's so boring and monotonous it should be a prison offense. If you really want to know more about the state of music these days, you should actually ask someone who's been there and done that for the last 40 years instead of posturing with sound bites we're all sick of hearing.
I realize I'm covering a lot of topics her but there's just too much wrong with music and related industries to take the time to educate you. Pardon me but I've got to get back to hacking out a living because most record company employees of today wouldn't know a decent song if it came up and bit them on the a$$.

 

[wisten]

You bring up some good points, and others...well...

The fact is that there is a lot of great music out there that will never be heard. And you are wrong.

Confused. There are house bands, solo artists with synths, computers, and so on churning out tracks that will never be heard anywhere but on the Internet or by word of mouth. Artists exist even today, in a variety of mediums not the least of which is religion.

Most of the music today, including, country, rap, hiphop and grunge is just rehashed crap. Even the big artists in Nashvegas have to be subjected to a round table of non-artist types like promo guys, marketing execs and such who sit around a big table and decide what songs the artists are going to record. There again, the artist is completely disregarded in the process. The producers record the tracks and stick some big breasted bimbo's voice on it and you have your record.

You are dead on with this statement. What you see and hear on your radio and respective TV are no different than the french fries engineered for taste, marketing to children, and that this is what we buy. We buy the products on the ads between the manufactored tunes, we buy tickets to the manufactored contests.

Also, think for a minute, do you think there's a chance in hades that Clear Channel would play any of the great stuff from the 60's or a modern equivalent. I'm talking about the Youngbloods "Come on People, Smile on your brother" or any of the conscious lifting war protest songs of that era or this. The conservative elite have and will continue to cull those types of statements from the market place.

Fairly stupid line here. Clear Channel, HBO, and most other media outlets are decidedly liberal and will play/perform whatever brings in advertising revenue.

I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to...Get the F out of here... I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to. Get the F out of here.

That happens more and more in publishing as well. The problem that in any mass media co-marketing effort, there are more sharks than there are fish.

Fact is, we are in a market driven society, but the psychology and contests.

Also, think for a minute, do you think there's a chance in hades that Clear Channel would play any of the great stuff from the 60's or a modern equivalent. I'm talking about the Youngbloods "Come on People, Smile on your brother" or any of the conscious lifting war protest songs of that era or this. The conservative elite have and will continue to cull those types of statements from the market place.

Fairly stupid line here. Clear Channel, HBO, and most other media outlets are decidedly liberal and will play/perform whatever brings in advertising revenue.

I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to...Get the F out of here... I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to. Get the F out of here.

That happens more and more in publishing as well. The problem that in any mass media co-marketing effort, there are more sharks than there are fish.

Fact is, we are in a market driven society, but the psychology and acceptance

Also, think for a minute, do you think there's a chance in hades that Clear Channel would play any of the great stuff from the 60's or a modern equivalent. I'm talking about the Youngbloods "Come on People, Smile on your brother" or any of the conscious lifting war protest songs of that era or this. The conservative elite have and will continue to cull those types of statements from the market place.

Fairly stupid line here. Clear Channel, HBO, and most other media outlets are decidedly liberal and will play/perform whatever brings in advertising revenue.

I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to...Get the F out of here... I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to. Get the F out of here.

That happens more and more in publishing as well. The problem that in any mass media co-marketing effort, there are more sharks than there are fish.

Fact is, we are in a market driven society, but the psychology and acceptance

Also, think for a minute, do you think there's a chance in hades that Clear Channel would play any of the great stuff from the 60's or a modern equivalent. I'm talking about the Youngbloods "Come on People, Smile on your brother" or any of the conscious lifting war protest songs of that era or this. The conservative elite have and will continue to cull those types of statements from the market place.

Fairly stupid line here. Clear Channel, HBO, and most other media outlets are decidedly liberal and will play/perform whatever brings in advertising revenue.

I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to...Get the F out of here... I approached Red Music, the largest Indy distributor, and they wanted to only deal with me if I could put 100,000 bucks in an escrow account that they would have the strings to. Get the F out of here.

That happens more and more in publishing as well. The problem that in any mass media co-marketing effort, there are more sharks than there are fish.

Fact is, we are in a market driven society, but the psychology and acceptance of the general masses is making it into a feeding frenzy. Fact is, none of it has anything to do with football. Or does it? Check your SEC coaches salaries, school budgets, then ask youself why a lottery is needed to provide for a college education. There's something to think about.

Even we avid BAMA fans are paying into this.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I realize I'm covering a lot of topics her but there's just too much wrong with music and related industries to take the time to educate you.

My, quite presumptuous, aren't we?

I imagine you have zero idea about who I am or what I do/who I work with on a daily basis.

Perhaps we should take this to email so we can continue, as I generally don't like to parade my career about, but suffice to say that I know a little bit about the industry...

But when you say this:

And you are wrong. Most of the music today, including, country, rap, hiphop and grunge is just rehashed crap.

It shows me that you are working from your bias, not from experience. Unless you wish to qualify that with 'radio'. I don't know who you are or what you do for a living, but this sounds like rhetoric from someone who only sees a small portion of the industry...

 

[Crimson-Blitz]

I don't know who you are or what you do for a living

CrimsonAudio, Spot has "been around the block" a few times in the music biz. It sounds like you are an "insider" also. Maybe you two can get together and solve some of the issues mentioned in this thread.

Both of you make some good points but I disagree with the notion that there is any "quality" left in the mainstream marketplace. Sure, there is a lot of diversity in the club scene and on the internet but those artists are lucky if they can buy groceries. It's almost impossible to make a living playing anything original.

The fact that a no-talent hack like Ashlee Simpson gets top billing at the NC half-time show confirms Spot's assertion that her act is just another box of cornflakes. How could a music exec walk in a room, hear Simpson's reed-thin off-key squawling, and say to himself "Wow, that is talent that must be brought to the market."? The fact that NBC/Disney/Geffen is all part of one giant corporate circle-jerk is the root of the problem here.

In this day and age would you ever see a young Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin make it in the music business? I doubt it.

 

[crimsonaudio]

The fact that a no-talent hack like Ashlee Simpson gets top billing at the NC half-time show confirms Spot's assertion that her act is just another box of cornflakes.

Oh sure. As I stated above, with modern production technology we can make virtually anyone sound like they have some talent. But if you think this is new, you're mistaken - we were tuning vox 20 years before Antares hit the market with Autotune. We've gotten better at making people who suck sound decent in the studio (and even live, at times), and it's true there are some terribly untalented people out there in the mainstream. I contend they've always been there, but recent tech has allowed us to push the envelope.

The thought that labels are only recently in it for the money is ludicrous.

In this day and age would you ever see a young Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin make it in the music business? I doubt it.

I dunno, you have guys like the North Mississippi Alllstars & Robert Randolph getting tons of radio play and selling lots of records. I think it's out there, but some folks are still judging what available the same way they did 40 years ago.

Times have changed and access is greater than ever, especially outside of radio broadcast. If you think there's no great music anymore, you're just not looking int he right places...

 

[Tallytide1]

Alabama Yard Party

One of the best blues bands you will ever hear... find it on the web under Alabamayardparty.com.....

You will love these guys... from what I heard it is a group of old never heard of musician from Alabama that someone put together to play....

 

[Dogtown Darren]

...at least she's got a FINE sister!!! :biggrin:

 

[Spot Dailey]

I don't wish this to become something personal but again, you're living in a snowball when you say....

"Fairly stupid line here. Clear Channel, HBO, and most other media outlets are decidedly liberal and will play/perform whatever brings in advertising revenue."

If you were really plugged in to Clear Channel, you'd realize just how controlled it is and how few options we get. Heck folks in Alabama for example don't even to get to listen to anything from their area. We used to be able to get all kinds of music from Muscle Shoals to San Francisco. It was good and it was healthy. Now the public doesn't get to choose. We're just dictated to. Everything is centralized in some yankee marketing sweatshop. All you hear on CC is 20 song format (and that may be stretching it a bit) made up by some people out in San Antonio and they sell it like Big Macs. They have a formula and they are conservative and they don't allow anything the least bit controversial or with a liberal bent anywhere near their radio stations. Heck, they will have 2 guys running 22 stations, all automated. Not a human being to be found anywhere and are entirely unapproachable by anyone without thousands of payola in their hands.
And regardless of what you say, Radio is the life's blood of the music industry. None of the new fangled satellite radio deals has caught on enough to replace what radio can do. Maybe that will change. But for now it's still a main cog in the wheel. Maybe even the axel the thang rides on.

The FCC is run by Colon Powell's son and he's giving them more and more control. Pretty soon there won't be but one opinion to be found either musically speaking or otherwise. It just ain't the America I know and it sure as hell ain't right.

I should be charging for these lessons.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Guys...

I hate to move this one to the NS, but it's not really about FB any more. I've followed the thread with interest, having a stepson who had a group good enough to draw raves (and tours) in Japan and Europe. They started with Fat Possum, but got drowned in the blues...