Peyton Manning and the Super Bowl

Hal Bennett

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I want to say here at the outset that I have a great deal of respect for Archie Manning and his sons, Peyton and Eli. I personally shook hands with Archie many years ago, and he was simply most gracious and cordial.

There has been a good deal of talk out of New Orleans on WWL radio about the fact that Peyton Manning did not shake the hand of Drew Brees, or of any other member of the Saints organization/team, on the field after New Orleans' win in the Super Bowl. Instead, Peyton apparently hustled off the field without so much as a word.

This might not be such a big deal if Peyton and the whole Manning family were not Orleanians. Peyton grew up in New Orleans. He and his brother Eli played football and basketball at Isidore Newman High school, an elite private school in Metairie, which might be compared to the southside of Birmingham.

Peyton and Eli grew up hearing their father do the color commentary on Saints radio broadcasts, after Archie had already had a stellar career as quarterback at Ole Miss and as a fabled quarterback for the Saints during their down years. The best the Saints ever did with Archie at the helm was 8-8, when he won the Most Valuable Offensive Player award.

In all the years I ever heard Archie on the radio, I never heard him mention Alabama football. I can't remember just when he became the Saints color commentator, but it couldn't have been long after Bryant had finished his run of six national championships.

I do remember when Archie and Scott Hunter dueled in a game in which Ole Miss and Alabama combined for over a thousand yards in total offense. I particularly remember the expression on Archie's face at the end of the game, when he and Ole Miss had lost it. It was as if he wanted to beat Alabama and Bryant more than anything else. In fact, Ole Miss beat Alabama with Archie in '68, lost this duel of '69, and then won again in '70. Those two wins were not against Bear Bryant's greatest Bama teams.

This was the "Manning experience" I had when Peyton came to Tennessee. Did Alabama beat Tennessee ever when Peyton was the QB? What stuck in my craw for years was that Peyton, after a Tennessee victory at Legion Field, personally led the Tennessee band in "Rocky Top." It wasn't just that he did that; it was that I had NEVER heard a word of blessing of Alabama football from his father -- and then THIS by Peyton.

When Peyton hurried off the field after his defeat in the latest Super Bowl, the New Orleans media and fans seemed to feel like I have felt about the Mannings for many years. Here is this ultra-fine football family, but they don't seem to have respect or manners concerning the fine things that OTHERS do on the football field.

The whole scene of Phillip Fulmer at Tennessee started out with his sort of usurping the throne from Johnny Majors, who in his own right is a legend, and it ended with a sort of Sherlock Holmes investigation of Alabama. Phillip Fulmer showed no respect for Majors, and he showed no respect for Alabama. Neither did his famous quarterback, Peyton Manning, show respect either for Alabama or, later, for his own hometown Saints, the team his father had played for. Nobody's perfect, and no family's perfect. But I would have expected more from the Mannings.

A lot of this may have to do with the fact that Archie was not recruited by Bear Bryant. Archie was a skinny kid playing QB for Drew, Mississippi, during the sixties, on a high school team that won three or four games his senior year. Bear was not interested. The Mannings have seemed to want to make a point ever since.
 

GrayTide

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Very good post Hal. Let me say that Archie Manning is one of my all time favorite non-Alabama football players and may have been one of the very best SEC QBs ever. I have noticed when he is on CBS with Tim Brando that while he doesn't actually say anything negative about Alabama he rarely, if ever, says anything that you would take as an obvious compliment either. As for not shaking hands with Drew Brees after the game, may or may not be a sign of poor sportsmanship. I somehow understand what you are saying and it is not easy to put your finger on their collective attitudes toward losing, although you would think Archie had enough experience in the NFL to teach his boys better.
 

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I understand the whole, "Peyton is a fierce competitor...blah, blah, blah" thing but that doesn't mean he couldn't find Drew Brees, shake the guy's hand, say "Good game, congrats." and then trot off the field.

I've NEVER liked Peyton Manning. Great QB, absolutely. Horse's rear end, you bet. I was and am a Saints fan and I remember all those years Archie played for some really horrible Saint's teams. Poor guy never had a chance. Not surprisingly, he's got hamburger knees now. That said, Archie is a Rebs fan through and through. It's not terribly surprising that he doesn't care for Bama.
 

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Not trying to defend Peyton here but Brees was on Oprah (flame me lol) the other day and he said that he understood that Peyton probably wouldn't of been able to find him on the field anyway and that Peyton called and texted him the next day I believe. Still though Peyton's portrayed as a saint (no pun intended lol) in the NFL much like Tebow was.. it's really annoying.. blah blah blah fierce competitor.. you can still lose with class.. I think it says a lot about a person when you lose and you can keep your cool and just congratulate the winner.
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TidefaninMO

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I grew up in Louisiana and had to hear how great this guy was for so long and he is a great QB, no doubt. No matter how hard I try to cheer for him or like him I cannot. He played for that Donut eating Phatimus at a program i just loathe and I just cannot get that out of my mind.
 

CHATTBRIT

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I think Manning is not only a superb QB but also a class act (yes, I know which school he went to).

If Drew Brees is OK with it, who are we to say otherwise. It was a zoo at the end of the Superbowl and I can easily understand PM not being able to meet up with Brees. Sure Manning was deeply disappointed by the loss, but the boy was raised right and I'm sure he would have shook Brees' hand if he could.
 

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Let me tell y'all what came directly out of the mouth of Louisiana's own Terry Bradshaw. He said it several years ago when Eli and the Giants were headed to the Superbowl on the Fox Sunday Morning Football pre-game. The discussion was "Which Manning would be better after their careers were over" and here's what Terry said. I will also say I've heard Terry say this off camera as well when I've seen him in Shreveport.

Bradshaw said he had spent a lot of time with both Peyton and Eli and said that he felt like Eli would ultimately win more superbowls than Peyton but Peyton would have better stats, because that's what Peyton's more worried about. :eek2: :eek: A little shocking isn't it? Coming from Bradshaw who has NEVER HAD BUT ANYTHING nice to say about all the Mannings. Bradshaw said that after spending time around both sons that all Peyton talks about is HIS stats and what HE'S going to be remembered as and HIS place in history. Where as Eli doesn't seem to much care what his personal accomplishments are other than winning championships. Bradshaw said if he had to pick which one he wanted as a teammate he'd go with Eli all day.

Peyton is a sore loser, plain and simple. Oh, he says the right things when the camera's in his face but watch his behavior. His not shaking hands and pouting after losses is nothing new. This story about him not shaking Brees' hand seems about par for the course for crybaby Manning.
 
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TommyMac

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I guess Archie's attitude towards Alabama is to be expected, our 47-8-2 record against them with a Delta of 1011 really sticks in the craw of the entire Ole Myth nation. To hear them tell it, you'd think that if not for the referees, they'd lead the series 57-0. They're almost as delusional as the boogs.

They had a nice little run under Johnny Vaught, but other than that, they've been decidedly mediocre and that's being generous. Subtract Vaught's record and they're only 16 games over .500 all time and haven't won a championship since the Kennedy/Johnson administration.

Peyton is a great QB as long as everything is going his way, but not so much when the cheese gets a little binding. He's probably going to set all kinds of records before he's through, but he's probably still going to wind up with the same number of Super Bowls as Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer.
 

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Let me tell y'all what came directly out of the mouth of Louisiana's own Terry Bradshaw. He said it several years ago when Eli and the Giants were headed to the Superbowl on the Fox Sunday Morning Football pre-game. The discussion was "Which Manning would be better after their careers were over" and here's what Terry said. I will also say I've heard Terry say this off camera as well when I've seen him in Shreveport.

Bradshaw said he had spent a lot of time with both Peyton and Eli and said that he felt like Eli would ultimately win more superbowls than Peyton but Peyton would have better stats, because that's what Peyton's more worried about. :eek2: :eek: A little shocking isn't it? Coming from Bradshaw who has NEVER HAD BUT ANYTHING nice to say about all the Mannings. Bradshaw said that after spending time around both sons that all Peyton talks about is HIS stats and what HE'S going to be remembered as and HIS place in history. Where as Eli doesn't seem to much care what his personal accomplishments are other than winning championships. Bradshaw said if he had to pick which one he wanted as a teammate he'd go with Eli all day.

Peyton is a sore loser, plain and simple. Oh, he says the right things when the camera's in his face but watch his behavior. His not shaking hands and pouting after losses is nothing new. This story about him not shaking Brees' hand seems about par for the course for crybaby Manning.
This also explains part of the reason Peyton chokes in the big game. He is not willing to do the thing that is working if it means the spot light is taken off of him. The run was working against the Saints, but they went away from it and went to the passing game that was working decent, but no where near as consistent as the running game was working. Nothing makes me happier than seeing Peyton choke in a big game. It just makes me happier every year I watch the playoffs to know that it is coming.

You kind of got to see it the year they won the Superbowl. No one wants to admit it, but he was not the greatest quarterback during their playoff run that year. More INT's than TD's. I personally believe he would trade that Superbowl win if he could change his stats to have more TD's than INT's.
 

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I wish P. Manning would have tried to find Brees and shake his hand.

I know everybody forms their own opinion, but this is more the way I see P. Manning.

Peyton Manning's preparation, desire to succeed set him apart | New Orleans Saints Central - - NOLA.com

"When you talk to NFL quarterbacks about Manning, it isn't his physical tools they dwell on but his awesome talents from the shoulders-up. It isn't just Manning's career record: 131-61, an amazing winning percentage of 68.2 percent. Or his stats: 50,128 yards, 64.8 completion percentage, 95.2 QB rating. It's the way he has accomplished those numbers.

"Peyton isn't just a quarterback -- he's an offensive coordinator, he runs meetings, he runs practices, he shows up first and he's the last to leave, " Esiason said. "It's his leadership in the locker room, in the meeting rooms, on the practice field -- and then on game day."

Esiason's college roommate was Frank Reich, former Buffalo quarterback and now the Colts' quarterbacks coach. It sounds like one of the most enjoyable and exhausting jobs in the world

"He said the guy keeps him busy non-stop, because he's always thinking, always working, always perfecting, " Esiason said. "Frank says Peyton always has another question, another idea. He says it's a constant football discussion, talking about defenses, discussing individual personnel, phone messages, text messages, never a moment when he isn't thinking about football.

"He said the intellectual level of discussion in those offensive meetings is something hard to describe. And Peyton is driving it."

I like Manning, even if he did play for the fugly orange.
 

GMacFan

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This also explains part of the reason Peyton chokes in the big game. He is not willing to do the thing that is working if it means the spot light is taken off of him. The run was working against the Saints, but they went away from it and went to the passing game that was working decent, but no where near as consistent as the running game was working. Nothing makes me happier than seeing Peyton choke in a big game. It just makes me happier every year I watch the playoffs to know that it is coming.

You kind of got to see it the year they won the Superbowl. No one wants to admit it, but he was not the greatest quarterback during their playoff run that year. More INT's than TD's. I personally believe he would trade that Superbowl win if he could change his stats to have more TD's than INT's.
I remember that year...No one was giving the Colts a chance at the end of the regular season and Dungy brought up the fact that the Steeler's weren't take that seriously last year...then you get the Bears and the Colts in the Superbowl. The Bear's simply didn't have a quarterback capable of winning the big game...Grossman was great at Florida, but not quite tall enough to make it in the NFL.
 

rgw

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Nobody would give a damn if it was Ryan Lilja or Pierre Garcon...jus sayin.

Get over it...who really wants to shake the loser's hand when they're just into the biggest celebration most Saints players have ever experienced? This is just something for haters and people with nothing to talk about to chew on over nothing...
 

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pm may have great stats and he does have one SB ring. Beyond that, I will always remember his "blow hard" days at TN. Silver spoon in the mouth kind of guy; spoiled rotten... I could go on about the impression he makes on me.

One thing I truly hope happens as a result of his loss.. I tuly hope the darn commercials are reduced that force his ugly mug down our throats. Let's see mor of Drew Brees!!!
 

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peyton who ? i watched every minute of the band leading in legion field. I know he was excited, but you just dont do that in the face of your biggest rival. i have not cared much for him since. On an off topic but related item, i wonder if the guy that disappeared in the student section while carrying a giant orange t flag made it out alive that night. I know the flag didnt.
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Jessica4Bama

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I understand the whole, "Peyton is a fierce competitor...blah, blah, blah" thing but that doesn't mean he couldn't find Drew Brees, shake the guy's hand, say "Good game, congrats." and then trot off the field.

I've NEVER liked Peyton Manning. Great QB, absolutely. Horse's rear end, you bet. I was and am a Saints fan and I remember all those years Archie played for some really horrible Saint's teams. Poor guy never had a chance. Not surprisingly, he's got hamburger knees now. That said, Archie is a Rebs fan through and through. It's not terribly surprising that he doesn't care for Bama.

Drew Brees addressed this on Oprah, and he said they could not get to each other to shake hands. Peyton called him later, and talked with him. I've never seen Peyton be anything but gracious, but that's just me. Peyton also writes personal letters to former players telling them thank you for the way you played, and for playing the right way. I saw a piece on Sportscenter about this. I don't like the fact he played at TN, but I think he is a good person.
 

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I try to seperate my emotions from my analysis...critizing Peyton because he was a Vol is childish. He's one of the best QBs ever to play the game and most of his lack of success against Florida had to do with his defense getting trounced much the same as early NFL career woes in the playoffs. Every QB - including Brady, Montana, Young, etc, etc - has bad games for some reason guys like Peyton seem to get undue attention for his rare bad games often when the rest of his team did him no favors either while other QBs get every benefit of the doubt or people just flat out whitewash their bad games from memory.
 

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I don't like manning and I'm childish? Yes, I do respect manning for his drive and skill, but I don't like him. Manning is about manning, in the way he treats his own team mates, and how he treats others. And I've never liked him after he led the tenn band after a game at Alabama, and the fact he wore orange, etc.
 

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Count me among the Manning family supporters. They are all fine people. They have all been successful on the field, are champions, and are leaders in their community. Even if Peyton did leave the field in a huff, everyone is entitled to a bad moment...
 

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Count me among the Manning family supporters. They are all fine people. They have all been successful on the field, are champions, and are leaders in their community. Even if Peyton did leave the field in a huff, everyone is entitled to a bad moment...
I try to seperate my emotions from my analysis...critizing Peyton because he was a Vol is childish. He's one of the best QBs ever to play the game and most of his lack of success against Florida had to do with his defense getting trounced much the same as early NFL career woes in the playoffs. Every QB - including Brady, Montana, Young, etc, etc - has bad games for some reason guys like Peyton seem to get undue attention for his rare bad games often when the rest of his team did him no favors either while other QBs get every benefit of the doubt or people just flat out whitewash their bad games from memory.
Drew Brees addressed this on Oprah, and he said they could not get to each other to shake hands. Peyton called him later, and talked with him. I've never seen Peyton be anything but gracious, but that's just me. Peyton also writes personal letters to former players telling them thank you for the way you played, and for playing the right way. I saw a piece on Sportscenter about this. I don't like the fact he played at TN, but I think he is a good person.

What they said.
 

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