Link: Quantifying the Consensus of Anthropogenic Climate Change

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I know many have complained that there is no consensus in the scientific literature regarding climate change. Well...
The public perception of a scientific consensus on AGW is a necessary element in public support for climate policy (Ding et al 2011). However, there is a significant gap between public perception and reality, with 57% of the US public either disagreeing or unaware that scientists overwhelmingly agree that the earth is warming due to human activity (Pew 2012).
Contributing to this ‘consensus gap’ are campaigns designed to confuse the public about the level of agreement among climate scientists. In 1991, Western Fuels Association conducted a $510 000 campaign whose primary goal was to ‘reposition global warming as theory (not fact)’. A key strategy involved constructing the impression of active scientific debate using dissenting scientists as spokesmen (Oreskes 2010). The situation is exacerbated by media treatment of the climate issue, where the normative practice of providing opposing sides with equal attention has allowed a vocal minority to have their views amplified (Boykoff and Boykoff 2004). While there are indications that the situation has improved in the UK and USA prestige press (Boykoff 2007), the UK tabloid press showed no indication of improvement from 2000 to 2006 (Boykoff and Mansfield 2008).
The narrative presented by some dissenters is that the scientific consensus is ‘. . . on the point of collapse’ (Oddie 2012) while ‘. . . the number of scientific “heretics” is growing with each passing year’ (All`egre et al 2012). A systematic, comprehensive review of the literature provides quantitative evidence countering this assertion. The number of papers rejecting AGW is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article
 
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Darwinian Evolution and now anthropogenic climate change. I am outclassed! Where are the sexy plumper threads?;)

Good link there BTW bama4
 

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I looked back through the forums and realized the Op/Ed posted here a few months ago was in response to this article. Perhaps Mods could merge with the "97%" thread? Apologies.
 
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A bunch of people who will not get government grants to fund their studies unless they sound an alarm are sounding an alarm in unison - and you think that surprises ANYONE with a brain?

Until you've done the 50 things to stop global warming (getting rid of your AC, taking that rack off the top of your car), don't even try to talk to me about what I need to change.
 

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A bunch of people who will not get government grants to fund their studies unless they sound an alarm are sounding an alarm in unison - and you think that surprises ANYONE with a brain?

Until you've done the 50 things to stop global warming (getting rid of your AC, taking that rack off the top of your car), don't even try to talk to me about what I need to change.
Thats a cheap shot and without validity. Grants are issued to advance the science, not to prove a specific point. If you want to "follow the money" look at the deniers. Its not to do the science. Its usually just to promote the arguments. We have seen this argument before with cigarette smoking debate. Cigarettes are still just as harmful.
 

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I think selmaborntidefan puts his finger on something that I think is a real problem going forward. Science has become utterly dependent on government grants. That should scare everybody, whether you believe in global warming or not.
'Au contraire my northern friend. Do you have something to back up your statement?

Try this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_of_science
According to OECD, around two-thirds of research and development in scientific and technical fields is carried out by industries, and 20% and 10% respectively by universities and government.
 

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Then, what do we do about it? Let us accept that it is real and just as dangerous as the scientists claim. What do we do to fix it?

I am interested in solutions. Let's hear them.
 

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A bunch of people who will not get government grants to fund their studies unless they sound an alarm are sounding an alarm in unison - and you think that surprises ANYONE with a brain?

Until you've done the 50 things to stop global warming (getting rid of your AC, taking that rack off the top of your car), don't even try to talk to me about what I need to change.

Here is a link to 50 things you can do. All are easy to do and will also save you money. http://globalwarming-facts.info/50-tips.html
 

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Then, what do we do about it? Let us accept that it is real and just as dangerous as the scientists claim. What do we do to fix it?

I am interested in solutions. Let's hear them.
There is plenty of technology out there. From more efficient use of oil to recycling to an economy based solely on renewable energy.
 

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'Au contraire my northern friend. Do you have something to back up your statement?

Try this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_of_science
According to OECD, around two-thirds of research and development in scientific and technical fields is carried out by industries, and 20% and 10% respectively by universities and government.
Yes, companies like 3M, Apple, TI, and Cisco pour huge amounts of money into R&D....for products within their market verticals.

From your citation "Similarly, with some exceptions (e.g. biotechnology) government provides the bulk of the funds for basic scientific research. In commercial research and development, all but the most research-oriented corporations focus more heavily on near-term commercialization possibilities rather than "blue-sky" ideas or technologies (such as nuclear fusion)"

So BamainBoston's point is validated by your citation. The type of research and grants he is referring to fall in the government patch and not in the commercial R&D side.
 

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Yes, companies like 3M, Apple, TI, and Cisco pour huge amounts of money into R&D....for products within their market verticals.

From your citation "Similarly, with some exceptions (e.g. biotechnology) government provides the bulk of the funds for basic scientific research. In commercial research and development, all but the most research-oriented corporations focus more heavily on near-term commercialization possibilities rather than "blue-sky" ideas or technologies (such as nuclear fusion)"



So BamainBoston's point is validated by your citation. The type of research and grants he is referring to fall in the government patch and not in the commercial R&D side.
'Au contraire my Texas friend. He said that science is utterly dependent on the government. That statement is not true.
 

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http://globalwarming-facts.info/50-tips.html

Updated Mar 22nd 2013 5:52PM



On Wednesday, China did the unthinkable by putting environmental concerns ahead of growth.

China is actually trying to wean themselves from coal.

I always know I can count on you seebell, but I didn't see anything about China in that link. Far as I could tell that was 50 tips to save energy and lower CO2 emissions in our daily lives.
 

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