Questioning "Coachspeak"

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Is it OK?????

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 60.0%
  • No

    Votes: 14 40.0%

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According to reports, Nick Saban contacted The University mid season and expressed interest. After doing that, he publicly bashed us for firing CMS. I am not doubting his coaching skills, but are you comfortable hiring a man who "cased" the bank for you, and then turned you in for robbing it???
 
Well, we certainly don't have all the background info. Based on what you listed my anwer is no; not comfortable. Sadly, "coach speak" seems to be a perfectly acceptable manner of talking around what you may mean without saying what you mean. Borderline integrity violation and the line is rightfully razor thin. These are the people influencing the next generation pros, coaches, etc.
 
This topic, like most has been discussed. As was pointed out by either Jess or another Mod, Saban is very good friends with Don Shula...what do you expect him to say to the media about the situation if asked? Don Shula carries the same weight at Don Corleone (sp) does to NY mobsters.

As for Coach Speak in general, what else are they supposed to say? They would be committing employment suicide if they either told the truth or worse just said "no comment" or something to that effect. They are being put in a position of being forced to lie. Prior to the rampant rumor mill created by the media and enhanced by the internet, they have no good options in my opinion except to deny any interest in anything at all.
 
This is my letter to the web, who never wrote to me...Well, OK. I plagiarized that from Emily Dickinson, but it still works. This is just a little post to perhaps “enlighten” some who seem to spend the majority of their time bah-humbugging certain candidates for the coaching search because they have said they aren’t interested.

For every post about certain coaches there is an immediate version of, “My gawd. He’s done said he ain’t a comin! Why can’t ya’ll just let it go?” That list includes Nick Saban, Greg Schiano, and a host of others who jumped up and screamed, “Not me!” at the top of their lungs in the last couple of weeks.

If you do not understand the very precarious position coaches are placed in, you immediately feel that anyone who says they are not interested then goes somewhere else is a lying scumbag who is not to be trusted. The sad fact is that the nature of the job makes lying necessary. All coaches who are currently under contract are under contracts that detail why they may or may not be terminated. Being terminated for some reasons does not guarantee their buyouts, and could leave them high and dry if they were perceived as disloyal. Also, they might be interested, but just not sure if the deal will work out.

Coaching is a job that demands a special relationship between coaches and their players. If that relationship were to be damaged because of the perception that the coach was seeking another job, it would definitely affect team production. Coaches simply cannot come out and say they are interested in another job. They must emphatically deny it or risk complete meltdown. Most leave themselves wiggle room by using weasel words like “plan”, or “my intentions”, “I won’t address rumors”, etc...Some flat out lie, but the results are the same.

Let’s look back at some great coaching quotes from the past....
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From the Saban to Miami days...

"It's speculation--that's all that it is," Saban said. "I don't know how else to say it, or how else to deny it."
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Or Tuberville to Auburn...

"That speech was more of an 'I don't know what's going to happen after tonight,'" said linebacker Armegis Spearman. "But if you read between the lines, he was letting you know that that was going to be his last game with us."
It was actually his last day. Tuberville was in Auburn 12 hours later and officially introduced as the Tigers' coach a day after that.
Tuberville talked about being a "Rebel at heart." He once told reporters that the only way he would leave Oxford was "in a pine box."
Two weeks later, Tuberville left Oxford on a private jet for Auburn where he became, presumably, a Tiger at heart.
Tuberville, a really good football coach, left Ole Miss for more money, better facilities, a better chance to win. Nothing wrong with that.
But he didn't leave with much grace or class
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Of course you all remember fRan...

He dismissed reports in Texas newspapers that he would be the Aggies' new coach and called one "idiotic." He said he had "never wavered" on his intentions to return to Alabama next season but never promised he would stay.
"The first week they brought it up, he was just like, 'Don't worry about it. Just focus on the game,"' Alabama center Alonzo Ephraim said. "That's just his personal life. I don't think it will hurt our program."

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Now those are just a few of the examples that come up all the time. “Coach speak”, as some call it, basically means, “Leave me alone. I am not going to risk my team and my job until all the details are either worked out or dismissed.”
 
It's a lose lose situation. It's high profile job and every move is under a microscope. Privacy is about nil.

Do you say hey I'm talking to Bama about the job and I might take and risk , losing any support you may have inside your current administration, the loyalty of the fans, and risk putting your family out in the street?

Or do you use evasion tactics, select your words carefully never fully comign straight out with a lie but more skirting the issue. That way if they don't work out you still have a job.

Or do you consider your current job you final decision for the rest of your life to have no ambition to progress in your career?


It's a product of our society, like it or not. Every High profile Coach/Job it's gonna happen.

Do it tactfully and tastefully as much as possible.( don't run off with your tail between your legs leaving behind the boys who busted their arses and gave their hearts to you without so much as a wave)
 
A lie might be a lie, but it is sometimes necessary.

Here are some other examples...

Your wife asks, "Do I look fat in this?"... LIE

The Police officer asks, "Do you know how fast you were going?"...LIE

Your 6 year old asks, "What was that funny noise mommy was making in the bedroom last night?"...LIE

"Does Rudolph really have a red nose?"...

When the lie is to protect their livelihood, I can accept it. If the media didn't turn these searches into a circus, they might have another way to deal with it.
 
Do you really think a coach had a Momma who taught them it is OK to lie if it helps you get ahead? It is OK to lie if it gets you more money? I sure hope not. I know my Momma did not teach me that, in fact just the opposite.
 
a lie is a lie my friends...maybe the coaching field has settled for lacking integrity, but that doesn't make it right.

Absolutely correct, my friend.

I've not expressed an opinion on him ,until now, but Saban is not the answer. In the unlikely event he would be given a deal that he would accept, it would be unseemly and probably distasteful to the Bama nation and colllege sports in general.

Great coach...but sell your soul? I'm sory, get a 'young up-and-comer".
 
A lie might be a lie, but it is sometimes necessary.

Here are some other examples...

Your wife asks, "Do I look fat in this?"... LIE

The Police officer asks, "Do you know how fast you were going?"...LIE

Your 6 year old asks, "What was that funny noise mommy was making in the bedroom last night?"...LIE
"Does Rudolph really have a red nose?"...

When the lie is to protect their livelihood, I can accept it. If the media didn't turn these searches into a circus, they might have another way to deal with it.

When I read that statement I laughed till I cried!!!
 
If a coach is in the process of possibly switching teams, he's not just going to leave his former team out on a limb by desperately wanting to say he wants to go to another team. He can use his artistic skills to keep both teams happy for a while. I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
The problem with coachspeak (a euphemism for lying) is that you don't know what to believe or from whom. There are some you can count on to tell the truth. Steve Spurrier comes to mind. There are some you can count on to be completely dishonest. Tubs and franphoney come to mind.

Somewhere in the middle are the Rich Rodriquez' and Greg Schiano's, who sometimes have to protect their interests by hiding the truth, but who also may well be telling the truth.

Police officers lie to criminals all the time. "No, I'm not a cop." Or, how about this one: "Yes, we have your partner's confession and he's fingering you. Singing like a bird, he is..."

A coach may also be forced to lie in order to prevent competitors from using a twisted version of the truth against him. "Bama will be out of business in two years."

Who let that the truth of the severity of our sanctions get out?
 
I'm getting pretty good at coachspeak...

Although I'm flattered that Tidefans.com will allow me to post my opinions, I'm simply happy staying with my current homepage. I never contacted anyone at Tidefans.com and set up a username, "johnnychristmas". I never made over 210 posts at this site. I will guarantee you I will never take a look at Tidefans.com for the rest of my career!

Pretty good, huh?
 
A coach does not have to lie in this situation. He can simply say I am not commenting on anything that does not have to do with the game on Sunday. You might say well then everyone will think he is thinking about another job. Has coach speak made it any different? We are still talking about Saban leaving Miami. Come on, "no comment" would work just as well as coach speak.;)
 
A lie might be a lie, but it is sometimes necessary.

Here are some other examples...

Your wife asks, "Do I look fat in this?"... LIE

The Police officer asks, "Do you know how fast you were going?"...LIE

Your 6 year old asks, "What was that funny noise mommy was making in the bedroom last night?"...LIE

"Does Rudolph really have a red nose?"...

When the lie is to protect their livelihood, I can accept it. If the media didn't turn these searches into a circus, they might have another way to deal with it.


My friend...this is not meant as an attack against you but those points you make show a lack of integrity. Yes having integrity will definately cost you at times, but the question was is it OK? that is a moral question and the answer is definately no. You can make excuses and say it's ok to lie in certain situations but the truth is it's all the same...you either have integrity or you don't.
 
What those of you who are bothered by "coachspeak" fail to realize is that it's been around for many years under other labels such as "Political mumbo jumbo," and "legal double-talk." It all comes down to being an astute listener. One must listen only to what is said and not take what is said to mean something that is not explicitly said. On the other hand, when listening, one must selectively infer a phrase or so in places. For instance, let's say that a coach says "I have no intention of leaving my current position," or "I have no interest in the Bama job." One should infer the presence of the phrase "at this time" following the actually spoken words. Let's think back to the press conference Mal held after Shula was fired. He said, "I have spoken to no one(pause) no coach" about the vacant position. Many took that to mean that Shula had been fired without Mal having any clue what he was going to do to find a coach. However, I believe I can say with some certainty that Mal had been given a script to follow and was about to use the wrong word (and, in effect, lie) and he corrected himself. Many heard only that he had spoken with no one, when in fact, what was actually said was that he had spoken with no coach. What was meant was that he had spoken to no coach; however, he had certainly spoken to some agents and perhaps other representatives of some coaches.

As a previous poster mentioned, Bill Clinton was a master of this type of speech. Many of us will remember his statement,"it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

Another thing, early on in the process, Sexton said that no one from Alabama had contacted him regarding the head coaching position at Bama. So, that does not eliminate the possibility that he had contacted Bama about the position. Now, let's say that Saban says that he has spoken with no one at Bama about the job. Well, that certainly doesn't mean that he hasn't discussed it with his agent who may well have been in contact with Bama.

When one is good at this kind of talk, it is not "lying." it is a matter of choosing one's words very carefully and saying exactly what is intended and nothing more. Those who are using this so-called "coachspeak" are counting on the majority of the listeners/readers to hear words that are not there and infer things that were not intended. They also count on folks to not infer those phrases such as " at this time."

Actually, I've been quite impressed at how adept some coaches have become at this artform.
 

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