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Rank the SEC coaches.
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That may be one of the hardest rankings I've ever had to do. I mean, I had Petrino at #9, and he's probably one of the top 25 coaches in the country!
I voted. We need to get to work on this one. Coach Saban is in fourth place right now. Also, some folks need to give Coach Bobby Johnson a little more respect than 12.
I had him at 7. Everything I've read and heard about Johnson is astounding. He turns out some great kids and some competitive teams for a school that doesn't care about winning.
Unfortunately for Vanderbilt their coach is always going to be ranked around 10, 11 or 12 in any SEC coach rankings.
I for one think Bobby Johnson has done a great job at Vanderbilt. His teams are generally very competitive, but they just don't win many SEC games.
Brooks and Johnson are both good coaches in can't-win situations. But it pays well and beats the hell out of the MAC or Division I-whateverthehellthey callitnow.
pretty tough to rank them. here is my list and why:
1. Saban - all around the best in the SEC......but not by much. Given time, he will produce a consistent winner.
2. Spurrier - over his career is a great coach, recruiter and ambassador for his school. he will eventually elevate South Carolina.
3. Meyer - great recruiter, but appears to lie to recruits a lot. I question his decisions a bit.
4. Petrino - great recruiter, but I question his integrity quite a bit. ha ha ha!
5. Miles - can run a program very effectively, can recruit great, questionable decision making.
6. Tuberville - can run a program very effectively, does not hesitate to make a personnel decision. i admire him for knowing when it is time to get rid of personnel that aren't producing and hiring good replacements.
7. Richt - great recruiter, can't put everything together. might be a better coordinator than head coach.
8. Fulmer - over his career a great recruiter, seems to run a dirty program.
9. Brooks - back to back bowl games and a win over the #1 team in the country at a non-football school. admire him for getting rid of his problem starting qb without hesitation.
10. Nutt - seems to do quite a bit with less talent, i think he might be crazy. questionable morals.
11. Johnson - does the best with what he has, a good coach.
12. Croom - good coach, but i constantly question his decisions.
Just my opinion. Hope our coach leads up back to the top of the SEC.
1. Saban - all around the best in the SEC......but not by much. Given time, he will produce a consistent winner.
2. Spurrier - over his career is a great coach, recruiter and ambassador for his school. he will eventually elevate South Carolina.
3. Meyer - great recruiter, but appears to lie to recruits a lot. I question his decisions a bit.
4. Petrino - great recruiter, but I question his integrity quite a bit. ha ha ha!
5. Miles - can run a program very effectively, can recruit great, questionable decision making.
6. Tuberville - can run a program very effectively, does not hesitate to make a personnel decision. i admire him for knowing when it is time to get rid of personnel that aren't producing and hiring good replacements.
7. Richt - great recruiter, can't put everything together. might be a better coordinator than head coach.
8. Fulmer - over his career a great recruiter, seems to run a dirty program.
9. Brooks - back to back bowl games and a win over the #1 team in the country at a non-football school. admire him for getting rid of his problem starting qb without hesitation.
10. Nutt - seems to do quite a bit with less talent, i think he might be crazy. questionable morals.
11. Johnson - does the best with what he has, a good coach.
12. Croom - good coach, but i constantly question his decisions.
Just my opinion. Hope our coach leads up back to the top of the SEC.
1) Coach Saban - I say this because we all cannot imagine how absolutely dominating LSU would be right now if CNS had stayed at LSU instead of taking the Miami job. They would probably be the closest thing to a dynasty. Now that he's at Alabama and his first season was 7-6, there is a perception out there that his coaching ranking takes a hit. When he makes us a perennial contender for top recruits (already started that), SEC championships and NCs, I don't doubt that he'll be considered the best coach in the country.
2) Coach Richt - Despite having not won a NC, he has definitely turned that program around IMO. The overall play of the Bulldogs has obviously risen, and now, it's just getting those lucky breaks that all great teams have to face. Seriously, his move from Florida State to UGA was probably the biggest doom on the FSU program and the biggest positive move made by UGA. I look for him to stay with UGA until he decides to retire.
3) Coach Tubberville - I only put him this high because relatively speaking, he's been among the most consistent in terms of putting a solid team together on the field. He's only won 1 SEC title, and had he had a better OOC schedule in 2004, he could've added a NC appearance (no one could've beaten USC that year) to his accomplishments. History has shown that he'll change coordinators before it's too late, but the 2 most recent changes we'll have to wait and see. Also, this ranking will drop if it becomes evident on the football field that the rise of UGA, UF, LSU, and Alabama affect his coaching/recruiting abilities.
4) Coach Meyer - I'm still not necessarily sold on this guy. He's finally having most, if not all, of his players on his team (very little or no Zook players). I think his real coaching mind will be put to the test when he has an average QB after Tebow leaves (whenvever that is). He's definitely putting some great classes, but w/i a year, we always hear about several players transferring out/flat out cut by the coach, and the common theme is that he was being sneaky about their position on the team. But he's won lots of games, a SEC and NC. Plus, to me, the other coaches below him haven't done as well as they could have.
5) Coach Spurrier - Frankly, I thought I would've seen better by now, but his SC teams seem to a bit schizophrenic right now. One week their awesome, another week their horrible. If he can seriously threaten the SEC East race this year, his ranking could change.
6) Coach Miles - Still not sold on this guy, kinda like Meyer, but just not as sneaky. Maybe it's the "Look at me look at me" attitude, his Yankeeness, I have no idea, but I still think that he's really fortunate to have walked into the LSU job after Saban had closed down the borders for him. It will be interesting to see if he can keep things going by only losing 2 games a year.
7) Coach Nutt - Does a lot with almost nothing, but Ole Miss provides him an opportunity to do more with more talent. If he's winning 8, 9 games a year at OM, he could move up in the rankings.
8) Coach Petrino - Did awesome at Louisville, I don't know enough to see how he'll do at Arkansas. He might turn into a Nutt-type coach where he's really having to do a lot with nothing.
9) Coach Fulmer - This guy had everything going for him before 2005, and now, it's a question week-by-week if he's going to be staying as the coach or not. I'm fully convinced that Fulmer isn't relevant anymore and he still gets some recruits because Tennessee is still a name. UT might need some new blood at the HC position to jump start that program.
10) Coach Brooks - He's had two solid years at a basketball school, let's see what he can do now that his QB is gone. No doubt he's a good coach, but being at Kentucky, you can't do much there.
11) Coach Johnson - Even more so than Nutt, he's really pulling everything out of nothing to produce competitive teams. He's even been able to send some players to the NFL. I can't imagine what Vandy would do if he was able to get to a bowl game for once.
12) Coach Croom - I love the guy for his honesty and his insistence on preaching good fundamentals, but I'm also not convinced that he's the guy for the job. Maybe MSU is just one of those graveyard programs where you really can't do much, but last season has to be a fluke (seriously, beat Alabama and Auburn the same year?). Maybe it's my bias, I do not know, but I'm just not convinced you can do anythign at MSU, unless you cheat.
2) Coach Richt - Despite having not won a NC, he has definitely turned that program around IMO. The overall play of the Bulldogs has obviously risen, and now, it's just getting those lucky breaks that all great teams have to face. Seriously, his move from Florida State to UGA was probably the biggest doom on the FSU program and the biggest positive move made by UGA. I look for him to stay with UGA until he decides to retire.
3) Coach Tubberville - I only put him this high because relatively speaking, he's been among the most consistent in terms of putting a solid team together on the field. He's only won 1 SEC title, and had he had a better OOC schedule in 2004, he could've added a NC appearance (no one could've beaten USC that year) to his accomplishments. History has shown that he'll change coordinators before it's too late, but the 2 most recent changes we'll have to wait and see. Also, this ranking will drop if it becomes evident on the football field that the rise of UGA, UF, LSU, and Alabama affect his coaching/recruiting abilities.
4) Coach Meyer - I'm still not necessarily sold on this guy. He's finally having most, if not all, of his players on his team (very little or no Zook players). I think his real coaching mind will be put to the test when he has an average QB after Tebow leaves (whenvever that is). He's definitely putting some great classes, but w/i a year, we always hear about several players transferring out/flat out cut by the coach, and the common theme is that he was being sneaky about their position on the team. But he's won lots of games, a SEC and NC. Plus, to me, the other coaches below him haven't done as well as they could have.
5) Coach Spurrier - Frankly, I thought I would've seen better by now, but his SC teams seem to a bit schizophrenic right now. One week their awesome, another week their horrible. If he can seriously threaten the SEC East race this year, his ranking could change.
6) Coach Miles - Still not sold on this guy, kinda like Meyer, but just not as sneaky. Maybe it's the "Look at me look at me" attitude, his Yankeeness, I have no idea, but I still think that he's really fortunate to have walked into the LSU job after Saban had closed down the borders for him. It will be interesting to see if he can keep things going by only losing 2 games a year.
7) Coach Nutt - Does a lot with almost nothing, but Ole Miss provides him an opportunity to do more with more talent. If he's winning 8, 9 games a year at OM, he could move up in the rankings.
8) Coach Petrino - Did awesome at Louisville, I don't know enough to see how he'll do at Arkansas. He might turn into a Nutt-type coach where he's really having to do a lot with nothing.
9) Coach Fulmer - This guy had everything going for him before 2005, and now, it's a question week-by-week if he's going to be staying as the coach or not. I'm fully convinced that Fulmer isn't relevant anymore and he still gets some recruits because Tennessee is still a name. UT might need some new blood at the HC position to jump start that program.
10) Coach Brooks - He's had two solid years at a basketball school, let's see what he can do now that his QB is gone. No doubt he's a good coach, but being at Kentucky, you can't do much there.
11) Coach Johnson - Even more so than Nutt, he's really pulling everything out of nothing to produce competitive teams. He's even been able to send some players to the NFL. I can't imagine what Vandy would do if he was able to get to a bowl game for once.
12) Coach Croom - I love the guy for his honesty and his insistence on preaching good fundamentals, but I'm also not convinced that he's the guy for the job. Maybe MSU is just one of those graveyard programs where you really can't do much, but last season has to be a fluke (seriously, beat Alabama and Auburn the same year?). Maybe it's my bias, I do not know, but I'm just not convinced you can do anythign at MSU, unless you cheat.
1. Nick Saban
2. Mark Richt
3. Urban Meyer
4. Steve Spurrier
5. Les Miles
6. Tommy Tubberville
7. Houston Nutt
8. Sylvester Croom
9. Bobby Petrino
10. Rich Brooks
11. Bobby Johnson
12. Phillip Fulmer
2. Mark Richt
3. Urban Meyer
4. Steve Spurrier
5. Les Miles
6. Tommy Tubberville
7. Houston Nutt
8. Sylvester Croom
9. Bobby Petrino
10. Rich Brooks
11. Bobby Johnson
12. Phillip Fulmer
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It's too subjective for absolute rankings, but this much is obvious: They fall out into three tiers and there are no bad coaches at all.
Top Tier -- National Championships
Middle Tier -- Conference titles
Lower tier -- Working hard at it
Top Tier -- National Championships
Miles 07, Meyer 06, Saban 03, Fulmer 98, Spurrier 96
Middle Tier -- Conference titles
Richt 05/02, Tuberville 04, Petrino 06/04 (non SEC)
Lower tier -- Working hard at it
Nutt (2 WD titles), Croom, Johnson, Brooks
My Top 12:
1. Steve Spurrier ( 6 SEC Titles : 1 National Title : 93-15 SEC record in 15 years)
2. Urban Myer ( 1 SEC Titles : 1 National Title : 18-7 SEC record in 3 years)
3. Nick Saban ( 2 SEC Titles : 1 National Title : 34-16 SEC record in 6 years)
4. Mark Richt ( 2 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 40-16 SEC record in 7 years)
5. Les Miles ( 1 SEC Title : 1 National Title : 19-5 SEC record in 3 years)
6. Phillip Fulmer ( 2 SEC Titles : 1 National Title : 87-27 SEC record in 16 years)
7. Tommy Tuberville ( 1 SEC Title : 0 National Titles : 62-44 SEC record in 13 years)
8. Bobby Petrino ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 0-0 SEC record in 0 years)
9. Houston Nutt ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 42-38 SEC record in 10 years)
10. Sylvester Croom ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 8-24 SEC record in 4 years)
11. Bobby Johnson ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 8-40 SEC record in 7 years)
12. Rich Brooks ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 11-29 SEC record in 5 years)
1. Steve Spurrier ( 6 SEC Titles : 1 National Title : 93-15 SEC record in 15 years)
2. Urban Myer ( 1 SEC Titles : 1 National Title : 18-7 SEC record in 3 years)
3. Nick Saban ( 2 SEC Titles : 1 National Title : 34-16 SEC record in 6 years)
4. Mark Richt ( 2 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 40-16 SEC record in 7 years)
5. Les Miles ( 1 SEC Title : 1 National Title : 19-5 SEC record in 3 years)
6. Phillip Fulmer ( 2 SEC Titles : 1 National Title : 87-27 SEC record in 16 years)
7. Tommy Tuberville ( 1 SEC Title : 0 National Titles : 62-44 SEC record in 13 years)
8. Bobby Petrino ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 0-0 SEC record in 0 years)
9. Houston Nutt ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 42-38 SEC record in 10 years)
10. Sylvester Croom ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 8-24 SEC record in 4 years)
11. Bobby Johnson ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 8-40 SEC record in 7 years)
12. Rich Brooks ( 0 SEC Titles : 0 National Titles : 11-29 SEC record in 5 years)
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I tend to agree with you.
I thinks it's nearly impossible to have absolute rankings and there really are not any bad coaches now.
A couple of yeas ago I would have said Orgeron is a terrible coach (I still think he's a bad coach), but pretty darn good recruiter. I also probably would have put Croom in the bad coach category, but I'm really impressed with what he did at State last year and I'm even more impressed with what he's doing with in-state recruiting in Mississippi this year.
I got through five then stopped...everybody else was last/no vote and it took...
Saban
Richt
Spurrier
Croom
Johnson
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Saban
Richt
Spurrier
Croom
Johnson
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A lot of coaching success is what schools they're at.
I don't think any of what we consider the "top" SEC coaches would be there if they would be coaching at Ole Miss, Miss. St. Vandy, etc.
Anybody think that Spurrier's record would be as mediocre as it is if he were still at Fla.?
I don't think any of what we consider the "top" SEC coaches would be there if they would be coaching at Ole Miss, Miss. St. Vandy, etc.
Anybody think that Spurrier's record would be as mediocre as it is if he were still at Fla.?
Well, Nutt stepped into it at Ole Miss. On the other hand, Wingnutt, got the hell out of Oxford at the first opportunity.
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