RFK, Jr.: Anti-vax HHS Secretary

[92tide]

My cardiology friends say it is too bad we didn't force everyone to use beef tallow 25 years ago... So many stents and so much business lost!

be sure to let all of your patients know 😂

 

[JDCrimson]

Im sure the term redneck predates seed oils...

be sure to let all of your patients know 😂

 

[TIDE-HSV]

My cardiology friends say it is too bad we didn't force everyone to use beef tallow 25 years ago... So many stents and so much business lost!

Not to mention all the people, like me and my wife, with alpha gal syndrome, most undiagnosed, it would take right off the planet...

 

[UAH]

Renowned disease expert Michael Osterholm gives warning to prepare for future pandemics

His comments on the state of affairs in the CDC as a result of Trump and RFK

 

[crimsonaudio]

Renowned disease expert Michael Osterholm gives warning to prepare for future pandemics

His comments on the state of affairs in the CDC as a result of Trump and RFK

Thanks for this.

It feels like few people were so anti-vax when the Covid-19 vaccines were first introduced, but the trust in science was shaken by a few things:
- the debate over masking, which turned out to be largely useless
- the use of clear barriers that were not sealed seemed silly to a lot of people (and they were)
- the massive shutdowns of entire industries based on the fears of how deadly Covid-19 was, when in reality a vast majority of those who died were either immune-compromised or had a few comorbidities
- the vaccine's reported effectiveness, which changed over time, initially promising to keep you from getting Covid-19 then promising not to keep you well but to minimize its effects.

Most of these were intentionally bad decisions or even misleading at the time (though I still cannot believe we allowed entire industries to be completely shut down), but in the minds of many who already don't trust the government, aided and abetted by some of Trump's (and other elected 'leaders') comments, lowered the trust level even further.

Yes, there were anti-vax people pre-Covid-19, but they were pretty far outside the norm. The conflation of misinformation about the Covid-19 vaccine and ALL vaccines has been astonishing to me, to the point that being anti-vax (meaning all vaccines, even those with 50+ years of proof of working with virtually zero side effects) is somewhat normalized now. Especially with RFK jr acting a fool.

Ultimately the science WILL win out, it might just happen at the cost of millions of lives lost due to basing their beliefs in sound-bytes rather than realizing you cannot lump all vaccines into one pile as if they're the same.

 

[Bamaro]

Thanks for this.

It feels like few people were so anti-vax when the Covid-19 vaccines were first introduced, but the trust in science was shaken by a few things:
- the debate over masking, which turned out to be largely useless
- the use of clear barriers that were not sealed seemed silly to a lot of people (and they were)
- the massive shutdowns of entire industries based on the fears of how deadly Covid-19 was, when in reality a vast majority of those who died were either immune-compromised or had a few comorbidities
- the vaccine's reported effectiveness, which changed over time, initially promising to keep you from getting Covid-19 then promising not to keep you well but to minimize its effects.

Most of these were intentionally bad decisions or even misleading at the time (though I still cannot believe we allowed entire industries to be completely shut down), but in the minds of many who already don't trust the government, aided and abetted by some of Trump's (and other elected 'leaders') comments, lowered the trust level even further.

Yes, there were anti-vax people pre-Covid-19, but they were pretty far outside the norm. The conflation of misinformation about the Covid-19 vaccine and ALL vaccines has been astonishing to me, to the point that being anti-vax (meaning all vaccines, even those with 50+ years of proof of working with virtually zero side effects) is somewhat normalized now. Especially with RFK jr acting a fool.

Ultimately the science WILL win out, it might just happen at the cost of millions of lives lost due to basing their beliefs in sound-bytes rather than realizing you cannot lump all vaccines into one pile as if they're the same.

Some things were an overreach since this was new territory. Better to err on the side of caution. The covid vaccines were not and provided much protection and saved many, many lives.

 

[92tide]

Some things were an overreach since this was new territory. Better to err on the side of caution. The covid vaccines were not and provided much protection and saved many, many lives.

i had someone (a very smart and successful person) tell me a couple of weeks into the pandemic that masks caused suffocation and that he knew someone who knew someone who had a friend that died from wearing a mask. the misinformation that caused a lot of the “distrust” in science and vaccines started almost immediately and was magnified and spread by way too many people.

 

[arthurdawg]

i had someone (a very smart and successful person) tell me a couple of weeks into the pandemic that masks caused suffocation and that he knew someone who knew someone who had a friend that died from wearing a mask. the misinformation that caused a lot of the “distrust” in science and vaccines started almost immediately and was magnified and spread by way too many people.

The misinformation was a torrent that spewed forth upon the social media in a Biblical flood...

 

[92tide]

The misinformation was a torrent that spewed forth upon the social media in a Biblical flood...

it made a horrible situation much worse

 

[crimsonaudio]

Some things were an overreach since this was new territory. Better to err on the side of caution. The covid vaccines were not and provided much protection and saved many, many lives.

I agree, for the most part.

That said, forcing people to close their businesses as a protective measure should not have been done, imo. I know far too many people who lost everything due to the shutdown mandates.

 

[crimsonaudio]

i had someone (a very smart and successful person) tell me a couple of weeks into the pandemic that masks caused suffocation and that he knew someone who knew someone who had a friend that died from wearing a mask. the misinformation that caused a lot of the “distrust” in science and vaccines started almost immediately and was magnified and spread by way too many people.

Oh yeah, there were those who were going to push back from the get-go no matter what. Sadly, they likely caused some people to suffer and / or die unnecessarily.

My point is that covid was the perfect springboard for those who already distrusted the government and big pharma to go all in. And instead of limiting it to covid treatments, it spread like wildfire to ALL vaccines, ALL immunology, etc. The foolishness has been every bit as contagious as covid.

 

[92tide]

Oh yeah, there were those who were going to push back from the get-go no matter what. Sadly, they likely caused some people to suffer and / or die unnecessarily.

My point is that covid was the perfect springboard for those who already distrusted the government and big pharma to go all in. And instead of limiting it to covid treatments, it spread like wildfire to ALL vaccines, ALL immunology, etc. The foolishness has been every bit as contagious as covid.

this guy is a bog standard chamber of commerce republican, it was a new direction for him

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1963611572225675722

RFK JR: We are the sickest country in the world. That’s why we have to fire people at CDC. They did not do their job. This was their job to keep us healthy. I need to fire some of those people to make sure this doesn't happen again.




This man is destroying our public health system. Research, vaccines, new treatments - everything we've worked so hard to put in place over the years is being systematically and deliberately eliminated by an unqualified imbecile. Millions will get sick and multitudes will die, all to satisfy the demented beliefs of DJT's hand-picked man. By allowing this to happen, Trump and his followers, both politicians and voters, are responsible for the suffering and death. There's nothing pro-life or moral about what's happening now. The stench of hypocrisy from the MAGA movement and its enablers is overwhelming.

 

[Bamaro]

I agree, for the most part.

That said, forcing people to close their businesses as a protective measure should not have been done, imo. I know far too many people who lost everything due to the shutdown mandates.

Without realizing it we all probably know many who are still alive as a result of closures, mandated or not. I guess it should be viewed through the lens of 'the greater good'. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Bazza]

I agree, for the most part.

That said, forcing people to close their businesses as a protective measure should not have been done, imo. I know far too many people who lost everything due to the shutdown mandates.

This is the point I was trying to make.

There are way better ways to effect results. You just have to understand marketing and sales, which many do not.

Flies to honey instead of vinegar, etc.

What happened during Covid really damaged a lot of the CDC and government's credibility because of their heavy hand.

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Good segment from last night:

 

[arthurdawg]

Well... in response to RFK... it is a free country and we can push and cajole everyone to be healthy, but we don't have the legal means to enforce it.

Maybe start off with a ban on all softdrinks and a legal mandate that we can only drink unsweetened coffee, tea, and water? That would be HUGE.

And yeah, people would really go for that...

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Well... in response to RFK... it is a free country and we can push and cajole everyone to be healthy, but we don't have the legal means to enforce it.

Maybe start off with a ban on all softdrinks and a legal mandate that we can only drink unsweetened coffee, tea, and water? That would be HUGE.

And yeah, people would really go for that...

Riots and destruction. We would become Mad Max in 3 days.

 

[Its On A Slab]

This is the point I was trying to make.

There are way better ways to effect results. You just have to understand marketing and sales, which many do not.

Flies to honey instead of vinegar, etc.

What happened during Covid really damaged a lot of the CDC and government's credibility because of their heavy hand.

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Good segment from last night:

RFK Jr Deserves The Nobel Prize For Vaccine Program

Thank for posting. Funniest damn thing I've read in a long time.

 

[92tide]

RFK Jr Deserves The Nobel Prize For Vaccine Program

Thank for posting. Funniest damn thing I've read in a long time.

a nobel prize for the vaccine program that he claims kills millions of people?

 

[Bazza]

And yeah, people would really go for that...

It's always going to be sales and marketing......