Rod Woodson and Brandon Moore get their 4th star!!

Having a couple of your signees go from three stars to four stars will definitely help in the rankings, but it's not going to make a huge impact. Now if Dial and Orr both get their fourth stars, then I think it would make a very big impact, but as it is, the impact is probably a bit on the small side.

Nevertheless, all told, the update has definitely helped our recruiting class ranking. Two of our commitments rose to four-star status, and one went up to a five-star (and the #11 overall player in the entire country). I could see where that moved us, perhaps, from 15th to about 12th or so.
Yeah, I wouldn't think them being given an extra star would make much of a difference in our team ranking. It may be a case of the service just awarding extra stars instead of them actually moving ahead of other players at their position. Now Dre moving to the 11 overall player certainly would make sense in raising our rankings cause he would have moved ahead of other players.

I think when it comes to evaluating recruits that the top 100 players at each position should be ranked from 1 to 100. That would be all 22 positions on offense and defense and then the kickers and athletes. That would be around 2500 or so recruits.

Then you would add the numbers for each teams commits and divide that by how many signed and the lowest scores would be the best classes. That would seem to me a better way to determine who did the best at recruiting not averaging out stars. But what do I know, lol!
 
I think the best way to determine who does the best recruiting, coaching, and preparing is to see who wins the most on Saturdays in the fall, but what do I know. :)
Well, yeah, that would be whoever wins the National Championship and conference championships. I was talking about who has the best recruiting classes. And as of lately the championship teams seem to be bringing in the top recruiting classes. Maybe ours will too. But you can have great recruiting classes on paper and not do very well on the field, for example, Notre Dame.
 

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But you can have great recruiting classes on paper and not do very well on the field, for example, Notre Dame.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your general point, but I don't think Notre Dame is a particularly good example of that.

The biggest problem Notre Dame had last year was terrible recruiting. Their 2004 and 2005 classes were terrible -- ranked 32nd and 40th in the nation, respectively, by Rivals -- and that showed up last season. The junior and senior classes had very little top-end talent and no depth, and as a result they had to rely almost entirely on the true freshmen, redshirt freshmen, and true sophomores from the 2006 and 2007 classes. Obviously, it was a disaster.

If you go back to 2002 and 2003, Notre Dame brought in pretty solid classes, and it showed. Those two classes, as seniors, led them to back-to-back BCS games, and were generally successful. Once they left, though, there just wasn't enough talent in the cupboard from the 2004 and 2005 classes to pick up the slack. In a year or two, though, when those good classes from 2006 and beyond really hit their stride, you should see them come back in a pretty big way.

I think, honestly, the case of Notre Dame proves the recruiting rankings as generally valid more than anything else.
 
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your general point, but I don't think Notre Dame is a particularly good example of that.

The biggest problem Notre Dame had last year was terrible recruiting. Their 2004 and 2005 classes were terrible -- ranked 32nd and 40th in the nation, respectively, by Rivals -- and that showed up last season. The junior and senior classes had very little top-end talent and no depth, and as a result they had to rely almost entirely on the true freshmen, redshirt freshmen, and true sophomores from the 2006 and 2007 classes. Obviously, it was a disaster.

If you go back to 2002 and 2003, Notre Dame brought in pretty solid classes, and it showed. Those two classes, as seniors, led them to back-to-back BCS games, and were generally successful. Once they left, though, there just wasn't enough talent in the cupboard from the 2004 and 2005 classes to pick up the slack.

I think, honestly, the case of Notre Dame proves the recruiting rankings as generally valid more than anything else.
I stand corrected on Notre Dame. Just seems like they always have top classes I guess as much from anything from their high or lofty expectations every year from the biased media. I really don't keep up with them much, and I sure hope their recent success in recruiting doesn't extend over to the playing field, lol!
 

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Yeah, I wouldn't think them being given an extra star would make much of a difference in our team ranking. It may be a case of the service just awarding extra stars instead of them actually moving ahead of other players at their position. Now Dre moving to the 11 overall player certainly would make sense in raising our rankings cause he would have moved ahead of other players.

I think when it comes to evaluating recruits that the top 100 players at each position should be ranked from 1 to 100. That would be all 22 positions on offense and defense and then the kickers and athletes. That would be around 2500 or so recruits.

Then you would add the numbers for each teams commits and divide that by how many signed and the lowest scores would be the best classes. That would seem to me a better way to determine who did the best at recruiting not averaging out stars. But what do I know, lol!
Don't get it wrong, the extra stars does help our ranking with Rivals a lot. I mean with no additions we may have moved 2-3 spots up. Rivals rankings fluctuate considerably due to star average and having 1 3 star turn to a 4 and a 4 into a 5 is important, per team rankings 5 stars pay huge dividends. Also Woodson and Moore did move up the list and pass guys as Woodson was the 40th ranked S and now is the 20th.

If the other guys we expect should be 4 stars actually move up then a top 5 class really isn't out of the question (though I seriously doubt all the 5.7s do get rightfully upgraded to 4 stars, at least 2 should between Orr/Dial/Steen/Warmack). But even 2 should make us a comfortable top 10 team considering the other top talent we're expected to bring in. But like I said, Rivals' system relies heavily on stars in their team rankings and any upgrades in that department helps.
 

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Yeah, I wouldn't think them being given an extra star would make much of a difference in our team ranking. It may be a case of the service just awarding extra stars instead of them actually moving ahead of other players at their position. Now Dre moving to the 11 overall player certainly would make sense in raising our rankings cause he would have moved ahead of other players.

I think when it comes to evaluating recruits that the top 100 players at each position should be ranked from 1 to 100. That would be all 22 positions on offense and defense and then the kickers and athletes. That would be around 2500 or so recruits.

Then you would add the numbers for each teams commits and divide that by how many signed and the lowest scores would be the best classes. That would seem to me a better way to determine who did the best at recruiting not averaging out stars. But what do I know, lol!
Actually it was Trent Richardson who was promoted to a 5-star and elevated to 11th overall. Dre Kirkpatrick is # 13 on the list..

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Actually it was Trent Richardson who was promoted to a 5-star and elevated to 11th overall. Dre Kirkpatrick is # 13 on the list..

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LOL! I guess I was counting a chicken before it hatched. Trent moving to 11th over all sure was a big jump. That can't do anything but help in the final rankings unless he makes another big jump, jumps ship to another team.
 
Don't get it wrong, the extra stars does help our ranking with Rivals a lot. I mean with no additions we may have moved 2-3 spots up. Rivals rankings fluctuate considerably due to star average and having 1 3 star turn to a 4 and a 4 into a 5 is important, per team rankings 5 stars pay huge dividends. Also Woodson and Moore did move up the list and pass guys as Woodson was the 40th ranked S and now is the 20th.

If the other guys we expect should be 4 stars actually move up then a top 5 class really isn't out of the question (though I seriously doubt all the 5.7s do get rightfully upgraded to 4 stars, at least 2 should between Orr/Dial/Steen/Warmack). But even 2 should make us a comfortable top 10 team considering the other top talent we're expected to bring in. But like I said, Rivals' system relies heavily on stars in their team rankings and any upgrades in that department helps.
I see your point, especially if they are going to base a teams final rating on average stars. The way I look at it with the recruiting services is that they put stars on players and then rank them from top to bottom player wise. Somewhere in their ranking a 4 star qb rated the 15th best qb in the nation will be followed up by a 3 star rated ranked 16th best qb in the nation.

A team could have more star average and yet have a lesser player average rating as another team with a lesser star average. Before I confuse my self let me try to explain, lol.

Team "A" could have 10- 4 star players whose rankings for their position is towards the end of the 4 star spectrum, say around 15th at their position nationally. Team "B" could have 6 -4 star players and 1- 5 star player with the 4 and 5 star players ranked in the top 5 at their position. They could even have several highly ranked 3 star players compared to team "A" having fewer 3 star players but yet those they do have are rated way down the list say 40 or 50th in the nation at their position.

Even though Team "A" has a higher star average than team "B", team "B" would have a higher player average. Who would have the best recruiting class? I say the team with the best ranked players across the board. Of course its all speculation as to stars and player rankings. But its fun to contemplate you got to admit, lol! This is what alcohol does to your brain!!!!:biggrin:
 

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Even though Team "A" has a higher star average than team "B", team "B" would have a higher player average. Who would have the best recruiting class? I say the team with the best ranked players across the board. Of course its all speculation as to stars and player rankings.
But that assumes every position is equally important/deep. It gives the same weight to the #5 DT (who is a 5-star, 6.1 Rivals Rating) as the #5 K (who is a low 3-star, 5.5 Rivals Rating).

It would take more time to calculate, but I think the average Rivals Rating for a class tells more than average stars (which doesn't distinguish between the #30 and the #250+ in overall ranking) or position ranking.
 

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Per BOL, Brandon Moore will make his decision on Friday January 22, 2009.

He will take officials to:

Florida (12-12)
Clemson (1-9)
Miami (1-16)
Bama (1-23) - sort of tentative since he's been on campus so frequently
 

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With Moore, I have no doubt he is ours. He'll take his visits, but I would be extremely surprised if he ended up anywhere besides Tuscaloosa. He may very well be a silent commitment, though in all fairness that is all speculation on my part.

And speaking of Rod Woodson, he had a huge night this past Friday against Tupelo. They were blitzing him all over the place, and he was consistently hammering QB Chris Garrett (LSU commitment), and he nailed Chad Bumphis on a return, too. He was a one-man wrecking crew out there, and capped it all off with an interception return for a touchdown.

If that kid makes it academically, he's going to be a superstar. I swear, that kid was born to play in a Nick Saban defense.
 

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I can't help but imagine Rod flying around like the Steeler's Palamalu (sp?) in the 3-4. I hope this guy qualifies, I can't wait to see him in Crimson.

As for Moore, its good to see when he'll finally make his decision considering its been expected for a while now. I just get that feeling the staff is just planning to rack up the big names after the season and roll heading into NSD creating a lot of excitement. Last year the recruits were the talk of the season (I mean seriously, I've never seen a more talked about recruiting class for anybody and during the regular season well through the spring), this year the play on the field is creating the excitement and a big name commit isn't needed to cheer up after a loss. It will be interesting to see how the rest of our class and the commitments are handled.
 

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Speaking only for myself. I trust our outstanding recruiting staff on evaluating prospects. 17 of our signees from '08 have contributed in some form or another. I used to by all the mags & follow it religously. When Forest Davis said that Tyler Watts threw the fade route better than most pros did, it lost a lot of credibility with me. I enjoy following the info on this board because I know the info is backed with solid reports, not someone telling me what I want to hear. I am not flaming on anyone that does because I used to do it to.

On another note does anyone know what happened to Jeff Whineburger (sp) out of Memphis? He used to be a frequent guest on many sports talk shows I have'nt heard him in a very long time.:BigA: RTR!
 

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I have my doubts that Moore is ours. He was the only non-Auburn commit to pick Auburn to win today. Here is his quote:

"I think Auburn is gonna win by 6 because it just always happens."

You think his offer is gone?
 

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I have my doubts that Moore is ours. He was the only non-Auburn commit to pick Auburn to win today. Here is his quote:

"I think Auburn is gonna win by 6 because it just always happens."

You think his offer is gone?
He also moved here from Pittsburgh, and doesn't quite understand the passion on both sides.
 

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I have my doubts that Moore is ours. He was the only non-Auburn commit to pick Auburn to win today. Here is his quote:

"I think Auburn is gonna win by 6 because it just always happens."

You think his offer is gone?
I don't know why Moore would say that but the general concensus is that he is ours but I'm not worried because we have plenty of talent in this class with or without him.

By the way he's not very good at prognostication.
 

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