Russia Invades Ukraine VIII

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I read this AM that the M777s we supplied to Ukraine lacked the computers that they have in our armed forces. Apparently, the fear is that one would fall into Russian hands, with the easily imaginable results. Also, from Tom Cooper, that the Russians have changed their tactics back to the RFA standard, which is not to bother taking every village, but to just flow around, surround and isolate them and move on. They're having some success at it...
 
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What do you think of towed vs. self-propelled? One factor that weighs in on the procedure you laid out is the M777 is extremely accurate, whereas the Russian guns are not, even when they have their target fixed. That affects the timeline directly...
I'm not a gunner*, but I would say speed, protection, and maybe range are the differences. (I have not checked the M777 against the M109, but I would guess that the M777 has longer range). You can settle for shorter range in the M109 if you have armor protection for the crew and can scoot quicker. Strategic mobility favors towed artillery. You can fly the M777 tube around the world whereas M109s have to go by ship.

* A Canadian infantry colleague once told me he had been the army ten years before he learned that "_________ gunners!" were two seperate words.
 

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I read this AM that the M777s we supplied to Ukraine lacked the computers that they have in our armed forces. Apparently, the fear is that one would fall into Russian hands, with the easily imaginable results. Also, from Tom Cooper, that the Russians have changed their tactics back to the RFA standard, which is not to bother taking every village, but to just flow around, surround and isolate them and move on. They're having some success at it...
Maybe. The more Ukrainian territory the Russians take, the more their supply lines are open to ambush.
If Ukrainian forces are at risk of getting cut off and, instead of retreating, they disappear into the forests, the more folks will be there to ambush Russian supply convoys.
That is what the Red Army did in 1941. By 1943, there were huge areas where the Wehrmacht did not go.
 

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Maybe. The more Ukrainian territory the Russians take, the more their supply lines are open to ambush.
If Ukrainian forces are at risk of getting cut off and, instead of retreating, they disappear into the forests, the more folks will be there to ambush Russian supply convoys.
That is what the Red Army did in 1941. By 1943, there were huge areas where the Wehrmacht did not go.
True. However, I do think that's the last resort, when you've been beaten in conventional frontal warfare...
 

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Ukraine, and only Ukraine will define when and how the war ends. We exercise our right to self-defence under article 51 of the UN Charter following a brutal armed attack. President @ZelenskyyUa has been clear. We don’t need anyone else’s land, but we won’t give up on what’s ours.
 
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