Russia Invades Ukraine XVIII

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I guess that Ukraine is sitting on a bunch of tanks, which are better at the tactical offense than the tactical defense, so why not assume the offensive somewhere?

It might be better to employ the tanks in local counterattacks. The Germans in the latter stages of the Second World War were excellent at counterattacking. Whenever an American unit seized a village or hilltop, confusion necessarily reigned (who had been wounded, who was out of ammo, who had plenty of ammo, what sector did different units have, etc.). That was when German units would counterattack.

I just think that if Ukraine is seizing a few kilometers of ground In Russia but, at the same time, losing 20 sq km of ground inside Ukraine, this might be wasted effort.
 

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GEN Chris Cavoli testified to Congress about what the Ukrainians need from the US.
Cavoli was asked indelicate questions, but he navigated the waters well. He works with Germans daily.
I have never met Cavoli, but I do like how he presents himself. He does not come across like a guy who has the word "Supreme" in his job title.
 
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Reuters reports that, after a meeting with Russian Envoy Dmitriev, Trump’s Envoy Witkoff told Trump that the fastest way to broker a ceasefire would be to give Russia 4 regions: Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk & Donetsk. Ukraine still holds: - 42% of Kherson (ca. 300 000 people) - 40% of Donetsk (ca. 200 000 ppl) - 30% of Zaporizhzhia (ca. 600 000 ppl) - 2% of Luhansk (ca. 1000 ppl) In total, more than 1 million people still live in the Ukrainian-controlled parts of these regions. Before the invasion, the ethnic compositions of these regions was as follows: - Kherson: 82% UA - 14% RU - Zaporizhzhia: 71% UA - 24.5% RU - Luhansk: 58% UA - 39% RU - Donetsk: 57% UA - 38% RU

 
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Reuters reports that, after a meeting with Russian Envoy Dmitriev, Trump’s Envoy Witkoff told Trump that the fastest way to broker a ceasefire would be to give Russia 4 regions: Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk & Donetsk. Ukraine still holds: - 42% of Kherson (ca. 300 000 people) - 40% of Donetsk (ca. 200 000 ppl) - 30% of Zaporizhzhia (ca. 600 000 ppl) - 2% of Luhansk (ca. 1000 ppl) In total, more than 1 million people still live in the Ukrainian-controlled parts of these regions. Before the invasion, the ethnic compositions of these regions was as follows: - Kherson: 82% UA - 14% RU - Zaporizhzhia: 71% UA - 24.5% RU - Luhansk: 58% UA - 39% RU - Donetsk: 57% UA - 38% RU

That is going to be a really hard sell to the Ukrainians. Right now the de facto "border" is the lower Dnieper River (very denfensible, because it is a wide river). Giving all of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia means surrendering both sides of the river. This would be akin to giving Germany all of the Sudetenland in 1938. It makes the remnant very difficult to defend.
Now, most of the Ukrainians in the currently-occupied regions of all four oblasts have long since bugged out. The Rusians are moving transplants in (like Stalin did in the Baltic States in 1945-1954).
 

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Reuters reports that, after a meeting with Russian Envoy Dmitriev, Trump’s Envoy Witkoff told Trump that the fastest way to broker a ceasefire would be to give Russia 4 regions: Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk & Donetsk. Ukraine still holds: - 42% of Kherson (ca. 300 000 people) - 40% of Donetsk (ca. 200 000 ppl) - 30% of Zaporizhzhia (ca. 600 000 ppl) - 2% of Luhansk (ca. 1000 ppl) In total, more than 1 million people still live in the Ukrainian-controlled parts of these regions. Before the invasion, the ethnic compositions of these regions was as follows: - Kherson: 82% UA - 14% RU - Zaporizhzhia: 71% UA - 24.5% RU - Luhansk: 58% UA - 39% RU - Donetsk: 57% UA - 38% RU

Fastest way to capitulate, and throw Ukraine under the bus.
 

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trump's buddy viciously attacks Ukraine on Palm Sunday
BRUSSELS (AP) — European officials condemned Monday Russia’s deadly missile attack on Ukraine’s Sumy that killed and wounded scores, accusing Moscow of committing war crimes and demonstrating disregard for Washington-led efforts to end the war.

Ukrainian officials said two ballistic missiles on Sunday morning hit the heart of Sumy, a city about 30 kilometers away from Ukraine’s border with Russia, as people gathered to celebrate Palm Sunday, killing at least 34 and wounding 117. It is the second large-scale attack to claim civilian lives in just over a week.

“I hope that President Trump, the U.S. administration, see that the leader of Russia is mocking their goodwill, and I hope the right decisions are taken,” Sikorski told reporters Monday in Luxembourg, where EU foreign ministers met.
European officials condemn Russia's deadly Palm Sunday attack on Ukraine's Sumy | AP News
 
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Financial Times reports that Putin is ready to freeze the front where it is & “give up” the parts of the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson & Zaporizhzhia regions held by Ukrainian troops in exchange for USA recognizing Crimea as Russian in a peace deal & banning Ukraine from joining NATO

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As I predicted. Freeze the front lines where they now are.

Now for the other parts:
Ukraine recognizes that Russia occupies some of their territory (but does not cede that territory).
Some kind of peacekeeping force gets deployed (hopefully with a robust mandate).to enforce the deal).
Europe continues to arm Ukraine.

The world waits for Putin to die.
 

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Trump: Russia not taking over Ukraine is a concession

President Trump said Thursday that Russia would be making a concession toward peace if it agrees not to take over Ukraine, as the U.S. president has struggled to negotiate even a limited ceasefire deal between Moscow and Kyiv.

Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office during a meeting with Norway’s prime minister, Trump was asked what concessions Russia has “offered up thus far to get to the point where you’re closer to peace.”

“Stopping the war, stopping from taking the whole country, pretty big concession,” Trump responded.
 

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Here’s the most dangerous concession to Putin in Trump’s peace plan
Accepting Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea would upend a core tenet of U.S. foreign policy.

In its well intentioned but rushed and ham-handed attempts to end the war in Ukraine, the Trump administration is flirting with disaster. Apparently, President Donald Trump’s special envoy to the Middle East, real estate developer Steve Witkoff, has crafted a peace plan after traveling to Moscow for three lengthy meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin — but never once going to Kyiv to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The one-sided plan is now being presented to the Ukrainians on a “take it or leave it” basis, with Trump on Wednesday writing online that Zelensky “can have Peace or, he can fight for another three years before losing the whole Country.”

The Telegraph and Axios have run the most complete accounts of the seven-point U.S. proposal, which has not been publicly released. According to their reporting, the United States would extend de jure (i.e., legal) recognition of the Russian annexation of Crimea and de facto (i.e., in practice) recognition to the Russian occupation of parts of four other Ukrainian regions. This would be accompanied by other gifts to Putin, including a promise that Ukraine never become part of NATO (though it could join the European Union) and that U.S. sanctions imposed on Russia since its 2014 occupation of Crimea be lifted, ushering in a new period of U.S.-Russian economic cooperation.

What does Ukraine get in return beyond an end to the fighting, at least for the time being? Not much, aside from the return of a small sliver of the Kharkiv region occupied by Russia. Although the draft plan speaks of “robust security guarantees” for Ukraine, there is no apparent U.S. security commitment. It would be up to Europe to safeguard Ukraine, even though European leaders have said that any peacekeeping forces they send would need U.S. support. The agreement seems to envisage a U.S.-Ukraine minerals deal — and, bizarrely, U.S. control of the giant Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant — as a stand-in for an actual U.S. security guarantee. There is not even any U.S. commitment to continue supplying badly needed munitions to Ukraine.

This will raise well-justified fears in Kyiv that Russia would use the resulting ceasefire to rearm its forces, employing the windfall generated by a sanctions-free economy, to restart aggression against Ukraine in a few years’ time. That, after all, is precisely what Putin did after the Minsk peace agreements in 2014 and 2015.
 

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It's a fact that Russia will use the money and the breather to re-arm and re-attack. Europe is going to have to up their involvement.
 
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