Saban ready to 'start all over again' at Alabama

bluegarage

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Nice, encouraging post! With the contract signed, I do believe we are in the middle of the dyanisty!

I have to ask a question; as someone new to posting on a Bama board, I can't for the life of me figure out what "CNS" stands for?
 

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I like everything our coach Saban said, except for one thing! About winning to much. You know the ole saying winning is not everything , but it beats the hell out of losing. I have never got tired of winning and I'm sure our Coach hasn't either. I'm looking forward to the play off . The SEC will take it over just like we did the BCS. ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!
 

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Starting over or regaining focus is great but as a staff they still need to learn to adapt within a game when the weekly prepared installed game plan isn't working. I've only see us make a major adjustment 3 times under Saban and we won those 3 games. 2009 he said scrap the balanced attack against USCe and put Ingram in the wildcat. 2012 he said scrap the pass against UGA and run with Lacy and Yeldon and then the same this year on LSU after half with Yeldon and Drake.

Against AU this ONE time we should have switched to a 5-2 D and dropped the RUN if Drake was gonna stay on the bench. AJ was slinging it and just this once PASS to win.

Saban is the best recruiter, Player Developer, gameplan preparer in the game hands down. But if he has one fault it's stubbornness to not adapt within the flow of a game when a team doesn't fall into his trap. We will continue to consistently win 10 plus games a year but we will keep losing games here and there too because of this. I'll never get over this AU loss. Losing to 3/4 star players when we have 4/5 stars just because he refused to (as another
poster put it) 'offensively ride in a clown car even if it's the only way to win'. I hate HUNH O's but just this once we needed to play their way and just out shoot them.

I don't want anybody but Saban as our coach but the ability to not adapt a gameplan mid game IS his one sole flaw.
 
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Starting over or regaining focus is great but as a staff they still need to learn to adapt within a game when the weekly prepared installed game plan isn't working. I've only see us make a major adjustment 3 times under Saban and we won those 3 games. 2010 he said scrap the balanced attack against USCe and put Ingram in the wildcat. 2012 he said scrap the pass against UGA and run with Lacy and Yeldon and then the same this year on LSU after half with Yeldon and Drake.

Against AU this ONE time we should have switched to a 5-2 D and dropped the RUN if Drake was gonna stay on the bench. AJ was slinging it and just this once PASS to win.

Saban is the best recruiter, Player Developer, gameplan preparer in the game hands down. But if he has one fault it's stubbornness to not adapt within the flow of a game when a team doesn't fall into his trap. We will continue to consistently win 10 plus games a year but we will keep losing games here and there too because of this. I'll never get over this AU loss. Losing to 3/4 star players when we have 4/5 stars just because he refused to (as another
poster put it) 'offensively ride in a clown car even if it's the only way to win'. I hate HUNH O's but just this once we needed to play their way and just out shoot them.

I don't want anybody but Saban as our coach but the ability to not adapt a gameplan mid game IS his one sole flaw.
 

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Starting over or regaining focus is great but as a staff they still need to learn to adapt within a game when the weekly prepared installed game plan isn't working. I've only see us make a major adjustment 3 times under Saban and we won those 3 games. 2010 he said scrap the balanced attack against USCe and put Ingram in the wildcat. 2012 he said scrap the pass against UGA and run with Lacy and Yeldon and then the same this year on LSU after half with Yeldon and Drake.

Against AU this ONE time we should have switched to a 5-2 D and dropped the RUN if Drake was gonna stay on the bench. AJ was slinging it and just this once PASS to win.

Saban is the best recruiter, Player Developer, gameplan preparer in the game hands down. But if he has one fault it's stubbornness to not adapt within the flow of a game when a team doesn't fall into his trap. We will continue to consistently win 10 plus games a year but we will keep losing games here and there too because of this. I'll never get over this AU loss. Losing to 3/4 star players when we have 4/5 stars just because he refused to (as another
poster put it) 'offensively ride in a clown car even if it's the only way to win'. I hate HUNH O's but just this once we needed to play their way and just out shoot them.

I don't want anybody but Saban as our coach but the ability to not adapt a gameplan mid game IS his one sole flaw.
I have to disagree about mid-game adjustments. Other bases frequently gripe about the mid-game adjustments Saban makes and their coaches don't. Yes, his staff does have the occasional failure, but it's very hard to fault his record. Mid-game adjustments are part of that record. Big time...
 

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I agree.
I have to disagree about mid-game adjustments. Other bases frequently gripe about the mid-game adjustments Saban makes and their coaches don't. Yes, his staff does have the occasional failure, but it's very hard to fault his record. Mid-game adjustments are part of that record. Big time...
 

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Starting over or regaining focus is great but as a staff they still need to learn to adapt within a game when the weekly prepared installed game plan isn't working. I've only see us make a major adjustment 3 times under Saban and we won those 3 games. 2010 he said scrap the balanced attack against USCe and put Ingram in the wildcat. 2012 he said scrap the pass against UGA and run with Lacy and Yeldon and then the same this year on LSU after half with Yeldon and Drake.

Against AU this ONE time we should have switched to a 5-2 D and dropped the RUN if Drake was gonna stay on the bench. AJ was slinging it and just this once PASS to win.

Saban is the best recruiter, Player Developer, gameplan preparer in the game hands down. But if he has one fault it's stubbornness to not adapt within the flow of a game when a team doesn't fall into his trap. We will continue to consistently win 10 plus games a year but we will keep losing games here and there too because of this. I'll never get over this AU loss. Losing to 3/4 star players when we have 4/5 stars just because he refused to (as another
poster put it) 'offensively ride in a clown car even if it's the only way to win'. I hate HUNH O's but just this once we needed to play their way and just out shoot them.

I don't want anybody but Saban as our coach but the ability to not adapt a gameplan mid game IS his one sole flaw.
Yeah, because slinging the ball all over the place and giving AU more possessions sure helped Missouri. We had the perfect game plan for AU, and if we had just got out of our way JUST ONCE, we win that game. Malzahn's offense absolutely demolished Missouri's defense after Missouri abandoned their running game.
 

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Yeah, because slinging the ball all over the place and giving AU more possessions sure helped Missouri. We had the perfect game plan for AU, and if we had just got out of our way JUST ONCE, we win that game. Malzahn's offense absolutely demolished Missouri's defense after Missouri abandoned their running game.
A couple of thoughts. Nick Saban will see the Auburn game as personal in the future, like the fans do, no more 3rd party speak. Coach Saban and Smart will make stopping the HUNH THE off season priority. No way Coach Saban lets Malzahn control the state. I predict an entirely new uber aggressive scheme to attack this offense, one that involves players blitzing the quarterback from multiple directions. A speed defense with a simple philosophy, get to the QB before he can comfortable make his reads.
 

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Sounds like 'Spring Practices' will be spirited. I'll bet players who feel entitled will get with the program, or else... No more mister nice guy... :wink: Sorry... my blue print isn't working.
 
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A couple of thoughts. Nick Saban will see the Auburn game as personal in the future, like the fans do, no more 3rd party speak. Coach Saban and Smart will make stopping the HUNH THE off season priority. No way Coach Saban lets Malzahn control the state. I predict an entirely new uber aggressive scheme to attack this offense, one that involves players blitzing the quarterback from multiple directions. A speed defense with a simple philosophy, get to the QB before he can comfortable make his reads.
I like this thought and I hope this is the way it goes down. Will be an interesting off season.
 

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Here's another thing - I have seen people post since the Iron Bowl from tons of people here (and everywhere else) saying that we got beat by an AU team with 3/4 star talent. A lot of people have made comments like "AU is only got 2 or 3 players that would be on our roster", which is totally wrong as well. AU has several linemen on both sides of the ball that would absolutely play here and a good argument could be made for Mason, and possibly Coates as well. Prosch would be a monster at HB here as well. Here is Auburn's starting lineup and frequently contributing players and star ratings everybody loves to talk about.


OFFENSE:
QB Nick Marshall - 4* JUCO

RB Tre Mason - 4*
RB Cameron Artis Payne - 4* JUCO
RB Corey Grant - 4*

FB/HB Jay Prosch - 2*

WR Sammie Coates - 3*
WR Ricardo Louis - 4*
WR Quan Bray - 4*
WR Trovon Reed - 5*

TE CJ Uzomah - 4*

LT Greg Robinson - 4*
LG Alex Kozan - 4*
C Reese Dismukes - 4*
RG Chad Slade - 3*
RT Patrick Miller - 4*

DEFENSE

DE Dee Ford - 4*
DT Nosa Equae - 4*
DT Gabe Wright - 4*
DE/DT Montravious Adams 5*
DE/OLB Carl Lawson - 5*
LB Kris Frost - 5*
LB Jake Holland - 4*
LB Cassanova McKinsey - 4*
S Robinson Therezie - 4*
S Jermaine Whitehead - 4*
CB Jonathan Mincy - 3*
CB Chris Davis - 3*
CB Ryan Smith - 3*


That breaks down as:
(1) 1*
(5) 3*
(18) 4*
(4) 5*

If you take the 28 players listed above that see significant playing and add their star ratings all together and divide by 28 you would have 3.84 star average. This is good enough to be a top 5 class every single year.

AU's last 4 recruiting classes according to Rivals and Scout are listed below.
2010 - #4 Rivals/#6 Scout
2011 - #7 Rivals/#2 Scout
2012 - #10 Rivals/#8 Scout
2013 - #8 Rivals/#14 Scout

To think AU isn't talented is flat wrong. In fact, AU only has two less 5 star players in their starting lineup than we do (TJ, CyKo, HaHa, OJ Howard, Collins, and A'Shawn).

With that said, we are more talented than AU, but its not nearly the difference people think it is. If I had time, I'd break down our starting lineup for comparison. (I may do that tomorrow evening if I have time).

Malzahn's offense is designed to make inferior players competitive with more talented teams, but the reality is that AU is one of the top 3 or 4 talented teams in the SEC behind us, UGA, and possibly/barely behind LSU. Florida would normally be up there, but at this time, AU has more talent on their starting lineup than Florida does right now. AU doesn't have the depth we do at all, but they remained pretty healthy this year. We were very banged up going to this game, and still should have won by more than 2 TD's in a hostile environment.

This is something I wish people would keep in mind before discounting them as rag tag team that is just lucky. They are a talented, well-coached team.
 
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I have to disagree about mid-game adjustments. Other bases frequently gripe about the mid-game adjustments Saban makes and their coaches don't. Yes, his staff does have the occasional failure, but it's very hard to fault his record. Mid-game adjustments are part of that record. Big time...
I agree that his overall philosophy/'Process' yields the best most consistent results. I really want to emphasize I think he's the Greatest Modern Head Coach period and I love coach. I know we make some tweaks every game especially on Defense but we stick to the balanced offense almost no matter what.

It's like so many times you see teams get exposed by the pass or run by other teams yet when we play them we don't take advantage of their primary defensive weakness. We just stay balanced and sometimes creates 'ugly' closer than we would like victories that we win on superior talent. Sometimes we lose because of it.

I hate to keep harping on this one example but AJ is a once in a lifetime talent at QB. This year we did not use him like we could or maybe should have. Usually you try to put the game in the hands of your best player to pull out a tight game. Why did we not allow AJ to punish AU through the air? I know there were tons of times we shot ourselves in the foot but IMHO if we had just this one time say 'look we're putting this all on AJ' arm to win this....cut it lose son and sling it to Norwood,Coop,White,Howard, Jones, Bell and take us to victory'....the games not even close. They dared us to pass...and like beating our head against a wall we kept running....with an 85% Yeldon....While a 100% Drake is on the bench????

I wanna say it was Savannah or Kyllie who said something like 'it's haunted me ever since an LSU fan said Saban will win lots of big games but he will also lose a few that he had no business losing' or something to that effect.

I'm just saying that mostly those rare times we lose or even win ugly it's because we don't adapt to the flow of that particular game and that teams weakness that they beg us to exploit. We just do our Balanced attack Offense and 3-4 Defense. If we could just play 'Non Bama Ball' a few times when 'Bama Ball' isn't working because the other team is stopping it or limiting it....We'd be virtually flat out unbeatable.

I'm nit-picking I know, using hindsight, Monday morning Coaching etc etc. But I know you guys see it too. When we struggle in games even the most well respected members and Mods have questioned why we are doing or not doing something differently in a game to expose a team's obvious weakness. You can pick any past game thread of a loss of Ugly win and see the posts.

As fans we can be better about filling up the stadium, not leaving early and cheering like we are rabid all the time.

Saban can also be better by adapting sometimes mid-game....To me it's his only teeny tiny flaw. But it does bite us. Even so he's the best today no doubt...but he could be flat untouchable as the GOAT with just some flexability.
 

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I have to disagree about mid-game adjustments. Other bases frequently gripe about the mid-game adjustments Saban makes and their coaches don't. Yes, his staff does have the occasional failure, but it's very hard to fault his record. Mid-game adjustments are part of that record. Big time...
Yes, UA does make good adjustments most of the time. However, against AU we became very stubborn on offense and tried to run against a 9 man box. It worked last year...but not this year. I guess no coach/staff is perfect and his record is better than mine!
 

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With that said, we are more talented than AU, but its not nearly the difference people think it is. If I had time, I'd break down our starting lineup for comparison. (I may do that tomorrow evening if I have time).
One reason I hate the signing limit of 25, is that while it probably only comes down to one or two guys on a given year, those one or two guys could be the difference. For instance, Saban one year ends up giving a scholarship to a walk-on after spring, or calls up a grayshirt. That's all well and good, but obviously he'd prefer to have used that scholarship on someone else, so that was at least one less guy he had available.

Same thing with things like attendance impacting recruiting, it won't make a difference 95% of the time, but what about the other 5? That could be a key guy. I think people see top recruiting classes and just think ok, winning is easy, but they miss that the difference between any of the programs that are top ten in recruiting is really not that significant. All it is, is just a couple key players. By the time the game is played, any other number of factors could become more prevalent.

Also, in terms of Saban making adjustment. Saban has success because of how he approaches things. We want to remember the games he narrowly lost, but we forget the games he narrowly won, or the ones in which second half adjustments resulted in a close game becoming a blow out. I do think Alabama coached tight against Auburn, especially in the fourth quarter, but that's so easy to say after the fact. He puts Drake in, and something bad happens, everyone would have asked why it wasn't Yeldon in there. He attempts a 30 yard FG, they miss it, everyone would wonder why he attempted it. There's a randomness to the results that means no coach can get it right every time and you have to be happy with a coach that gets it right most of the time.
 
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What coaches don't lose a game they're not supposed to lose? Bama has been an underdog once in the past half a decade - and won that game going away. Who is this mythical coach that never loses to anyone? Of course we've lost games and we can look at why for each of them, but to act as if it's a legit knock on someone to say, "He loses games he's not supposed to" is silly. Everyone loses games they're not supposed to unless they're always an underdog.
 

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Remember when we couldn't get 1 yard against the Barn for two straight plays???

Next year I hope we see a return to blowing up the defense at the LOS. I know we will continue our offensive zone blocking scheme but I'd like to see that LOS get pushed back to the line linebackers more often.

Our LOS was the biggest difference in '12 and '13 teams and I hope we see a new nastiness there in '14!!!

If that happens, our new qb will do just fine with what he'll be asked to do as a first year starter!
 
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