Sadly we were outcoached again...

[BAMA1979]

No, a 47 yard FG attempt would be from the thirty. If he shaked it and it went out about the 20 then the difference is ten yards. And the percentages? LSU was 0 for 3 on the misses.
I will add also, that the only FG he attempted in this game that was over 50 was in OT. In regulation, One was shorter, one was the same.

True, but I said inside the 20. On a cold night a 47 yard field goal is more like 50+ anyway. The ball wasn't traveling well.

BTW, I agree about the coverage not being ideal this season. I just think if you punt the ball inside the 20 they are not going to return it.

You are correct about them not scoring after those misses, but even if they don't score it still flips the field position if they pick up a first down or two. With the leg their punter has he can flip the field position without help from his offense.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

My reply was to your post alone, not to CNS being outcoached by Les. And for the record, I believe on a few plays CNS outcoached himself and it had nothing to do with what LSU called.

Since you believe every FG attempt was the correct call, I would just like to hear your reasoning on why trotting Shelley out there to attempt his career long by more than a few yds (which he clearly did not have the leg for) relatively early in the game was the best decision.

With the leg their punter has he can flip the field position without help from his offense.

One first down by LSU + a 60 yard punt by Wing = a wasted opportunity pooch punting instead of taking a shot at getting 3 points.

 

[Mamacalled]

True, but I said inside the 20. On a cold night a 47 yard field goal is more like 50+ anyway. The ball wasn't traveling well.

BTW, I agree about the coverage not being ideal this season. I just think if you punt the ball inside the 20 they are not going to return it.
You are correct about them not scoring after those misses, but even if they don't score it still flips the field position if they pick up a first down or two. With the leg their punter has he can flip the field position without help from his offense.

The rule of thumb is for the return man to stand on the ten and if it goes past he should not return it. If it does, the thought is that it will go into the endzone for a touchback. We have not been successful all year a pinning a team inside the ten. It has either went into the endzone or the opposing team has had success at returning it. Actually, the first couple of games we looked all world on punt coverage and then it seemed, since then, as though we let everyone have big return yards on us.
Anyway, I am out for the night. You all are still my Bama family, whether we disagree or not. Time to move on to discussing our blasting of MSU this Saturday. RTR!

 

[MOAN]

The rule of thumb is for the return man to stand on the ten and if it goes past he should not return it. If it does, the thought is that it will go into the endzone for a touchback. We have not been successful all year a pinning a team inside the ten. It has either went into the endzone or the opposing team has had success at returning it. Actually, the first couple of games we looked all world on punt coverage and then it seemed as though we let everyone have big return yards on us.
Anyway, I am out for the night. You all are still my Bama family, whether we disagree or not. TIme to move on to discussing our blasting of MSU this Saturday. RTR!

I'm all for closing this thread if you all are. Besides its State week!

 

[TheAccountant]

One first down by LSU + a 60 yard punt by Wing = a wasted opportunity pooch punting instead of taking a shot at getting 3 points.

Again, my point is it was little more than prayer for Shelley (our short ranger kicker) to make that kick. He simply does not have the leg for it and it clearly showed. If Shelley had the leg and accuracy for the long kicks Cade Foster would only be handling kick offs.

 

[257WBY]

The worst coaching call of the night was LSU putting Lee back in for his second interception. They tried to give the game away right there. I guess the loss bothers me because Alabama has the better team and the better coach.
And why is it ok for a coach to rip a 19-20 year old kid up one side and down the other in front of millions watching on televison but it is not ok for fans of a team to question coaching decisions after a game? I agree that there is a point where it is counter productive, but no one on this board has hired a banner tower flying over the field calling for a coach to be fired.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Again, my point is it was little more than prayer for Shelley (our short ranger kicker) to make that kick. He simply does not have the leg for it and it clearly showed. If Shelley had the leg and accuracy for the long kicks Cade Foster would only be handling kick offs.

That fact that Foster is better at longer distance kicks doesn't mean it's impossible for Shelley to hit from there. I guarantee you that if CNS hadn't seen him do it, Shelley doesn't run out to attempt the kick. Was it desperation? Maybe. But it wasn't as fool hearty as you're making it out to be.

 

[Dallas4Bama]

For all those that say LSU got nothing from the missed FGs you are right. They got no points, that is true. They did get better field position, but after their punts we drove the field so you are exactly right. But here's my only complaint with those attempts. There are 3 units on a team, off, def, st and our strongest unit is def. Why not punt and put the ball in play for the def. They threw 2 picks in the game. What if one of them had been against their goal line? We will never know because we never gave our defense the chance. Sure they might have driven back up the field, but we never gave our defense the chance. To me its like losing game 7 of the world series while tour best pitcher sits in the bull pen ready to go. Put the ball in play for your best unit, they are your stars. Give them the chance to make a play.

I'm editing to comment on what Capstone says in the post just below this one. I agree that the title of the thread is part of the issue here. My contention is not that we have some kind of repeated issue with being outcaoched or that Miles made better decisions or even that Miles was the best coach on Saturday. I believe we have the best coaches and HC in all of college football, but I believe they are fallable and although they made some great decisions and put our team in a position multiple times to win, they also made some in my mind poor decisions.

 

[CapstoneTider]

Please try and justify trotting Shelley out to attempt a 50 yarder.

My take on this thread:

I've never seen a game, especially in retrospect where you can't find questionable calls on either side. Alabama had to make more critical calls outside of the regulars calls in this game and maybe that makes Miles look better by default? Many believe that we as fans should not pile on the coaches after our rare losses when a broader picture is viewed. The title of the thread "outcoached again " really struck a nerve with many.

Now there is a sub genre here that is critical but have not declared that we were out coached, but since they are also posting on a thread called "outchoached again....sigh", they appear to be in the mix when maybe they are just making acceptable strategical commentary? This is a football discussion board.

Bottom line: Thread title is very important and should be closely examined before enter is hit and this thread has more than two opinions.

 

[J.E.B. Stuart]

Up until now, Ive never really questioned Saban and his decision making...up until now.

He lost a lot of his luster to me when they blew the 24-0 lead to the Barn last year. I cannot recall in my memory an Alabama team blowing a game like that. That badly. In a game that big. Against our cross state rival.

 

[subherbanite]

Now there is a sub genre here that is critical but have not declared that we were out coached, but since they are also posting on a thread called "outchoached again....sigh", they appear to be in the mix when maybe they are just making acceptable strategical commentary? This is a football discussion board.

Bottom line: Thread title is very important and should be closely examined before enter is hit and this thread has more than two opinions.

Somebody call my name?

Nice post, hopefully this will chill everyone(myself included) out.

 

[1Dawn]

My take on this thread:

I've never seen a game, especially in retrospect where you can't find questionable calls on either side. Alabama had to make more critical calls outside of the regulars calls in this game and maybe that makes Miles look better by default? Many believe that we as fans should not pile on the coaches after our rare losses when a broader picture is viewed. The title of the thread "outcoached again " really struck a nerve with many.

Now there is a sub genre here that is critical but have not declared that we were out coached, but since they are also posting on a thread called "outchoached again....sigh", they appear to be in the mix when maybe they are just making acceptable strategical commentary? This is a football discussion board.

Bottom line: Thread title is very important and should be closely examined before enter is hit and this thread has more than two opinions.

Extremely well put CapstoneTider. I think you encompassed all fans that posted in this thread in your post. Although I was advised to not read the thread again by RJ, I still have that option.:wink: Yes, I wrote my post from last night based on the title of the thread and being slightly worn out from "what could have been" talk. It did strike a nerve with me and apparently others. We have so much to be proud of as AL fans with our coaches and team. No, they are not perfect and we as fans are not always either. But, we are a family of fans and I think we feel as a whole for the most part.

This is a football discussion board and everything, short of inappropriate talk, is up for discussion. Sometimes fans feel passionate one way or the other and step on others' toes, so to speak. Bottom line, everyone has the right to discuss their thoughts about all things Alabama related, but know your choice of words does have an impact. Roll Tide!!

 

[Rush]

Then don't read this thread...

But do the rest of us a favor and stop telling us what is and is not ok for discussion.

Thank you, RJ.

Mind you, I have now read Dawn's above post, and it would appear that most everyone is on the same page, which is great.

 

[bamadp]

It's cause and effect.
We lost 9-6, so fans have to place the blame somewhere. If we had punted instead of trying those fg's and still lost 9-6, you'd have fans griping because we didn't try fg's. If we had won, this thread wouldn't even be here.

 

[MOAN]

It's cause and effect.
We lost 9-6, so fans have to place the blame somewhere. If we had punted instead of trying those fg's and still lost 9-6, you'd have fans griping because we didn't try fg's. If we had won, this thread wouldn't even be here.

You are correct! If we had won this thread would be on the LSU boards! I apologize for the thread title!

 

[JPT4Bama]

Well it happens to the best of them. I saw Coach Bryant make a few mistakes in his time as well. We still have the best coach in college football regardless of one game's outcome.
No such thing as perfection. I for one am ready to move on and get ready for MSU. :BigA: