Sark - most important game for an OC since...?

rgw

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Mac Jones has a lot to gain from Saturday's game. I tend to think if he leads the team to a win and looks competent that he would start in 2020. It would take a HUGE progression from Taulia or Bryce Young being as good as the recruiting board hype as a true freshman (they often are not) to take that clubhouse position from him.
 

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They only thing I will add is I hope that our players and coaches show up and play with a healthy dislike of the other team. To me, if you genuinely dont like your opponent it minimizes any thoughts about pressure. All you think about is whipping their ass on the next play and the next.

It seems like we come on here every year lamenting how we didnt match the barners intensity whether we win or not because its literally all they think about. Everything else above and beyond is gravy to them.



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They only thing I will add is I hope that our players and coaches show up and play with a healthy dislike of the other team. To me, if you genuinely dont like your opponent it minimizes any thoughts about pressure. All you think about is whipping their ass on the next play and the next.

It seems like we come on here every year lamenting how we didnt match the barners intensity whether we win or not because its literally all they think about. Everything else above and beyond is gravy to them.



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If we don't come out and play with intensity then something is wrong. If we play with intensity, play smart and don't make mistakes and get beat by a better team, well, we just have to tip our hat to the Barners. But if we get beat, with a CFP on the line, because we didn't play hard, that will be a HUGE disappointment.

In another thread I mentioned matching their intensity/passion early on. I really hope CNS gets them hyped up in the right kind of way...passionate purpose!
 

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Sark has done an amazing job this year. This offense is so much better than last year's offense. I would give Alabama zero chance this week, even with all of your talent, if Locksley was still the OC. Not because Mac is not a very good QB, but because that offense required a Tua level QB.

This is one of Saban's best hires, and I think that he knows it.
I am in total agreement with B1G. Sarkisian is an excellent OC and I believe he understands Mac's limitations and will play away from them. I am more concerned with how the defense will respond in this game because Auburn has some offensive weapons whether anyone will admit or not. I just hope this game does not come down to a field goal or PAT.
 

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This team the last two years hasn't had an effort problem. Alabama has not really been the loose, confident team in several big games over the last two years (UGA, Clemson, LSU). Some of our other teams - especially the 3 in 4 year run (2008-2012) - had a problem with maintaining an edge but they'd be locked in for big games. Just a different group of guys and style of play I reckon.
 

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If he finishes strong this year, I'd say he probably is a "shoo-in" next year. He's the kind of QB Saban likes and is comfortable with...
I do agree that he is the kind of QB CNS likes, but is he the kind of QB that wins titles in this era of college football? Jalen had to be pulled for the super star gunslinger QB in Tua, and looking around at the kind of QB's that are getting teams to the Playoffs it's all big time, big number, superstar type QB's. Coker is the last guy to have any success getting a team anywhere in the playoffs that had the game manager label. Teams aren't even getting in the playoffs without the big time QB. Fromm is the closest thing to a game manager that has a team in serious playoff contention, and I think his numbers are greatly diminished because of the awful system he is playing in. Put that guy in a modern offense and he would put up much better numbers. That's why I think Jones might start the season next year, but I don't think he finishes it as starter. It's just impossible to hold elite offenses completely in check even with a great defense. You will have to win some absolute shoot outs, and game managers can't do that.

Bama can win ten games a season with a game manager, but can't win a title. Maybe Jones can be more than a game manager. I would have never thought Burrow would be doing what he is doing either. I will be happy for him to prove me wrong, and will be pulling hard for him to have a great game Saturday. He's our guy right now and that's all that matters this week.
 

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No, but he's got 2 weeks to prepare (last week and this week). Daboll had to put a true freshman in at half time of a national championship game. I think that was a bit more pressure than Sark.
Daboll didn’t have pressure going into the game. Not like Sark. Heck, putting in Tua wasn’t even pressure really, it was actually ideal. Mac playing in this game is not.
 

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Daboll didn’t have pressure going into the game. Not like Sark. Heck, putting in Tua wasn’t even pressure really, it was actually ideal. Mac playing in this game is not.
I agree - Daboll was under pressure trying to get Jalen to run his offense. When Tua went in, that pressure disappeared.
 

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This team the last two years hasn't had an effort problem. Alabama has not really been the loose, confident team in several big games over the last two years (UGA, Clemson, LSU). Some of our other teams - especially the 3 in 4 year run (2008-2012) - had a problem with maintaining an edge but they'd be locked in for big games. Just a different group of guys and style of play I reckon.
I think that they have struggled early in some games. I don't want to assume that it was effort, but Saban has said that the team has not always played to the standard, and he means effort. Last year's slow start against Auburn is a great example. You looked like you were playing in mud. After halftime you played like your hair was on fire, offensively and defensively, and took the game completely over.

IMO, you need that for 60 minutes in this game. Hit them hard early, get the crowd out of the game, and crush them in the second half. You can do it. Last year proved it.
 

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I think that they have struggled early in some games. I don't want to assume that it was effort, but Saban has said that the team has not always played to the standard, and he means effort. Last year's slow start against Auburn is a great example. You looked like you were playing in mud. After halftime you played like your hair was on fire, offensively and defensively, and took the game completely over.

IMO, you need that for 60 minutes in this game. Hit them hard early, get the crowd out of the game, and crush them in the second half. You can do it. Last year proved it.
Yep...………….remove them and the crowd from the game
 

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He’s under pressure. He’s got to get a backup QB to beat a good team on the road. That’s never happened under Saban.
Yeah, I mean it's not like Nick Saban ever spotted a good team a 13-point lead and then put a backup QB in at the half to beat that team in its home state.

That never happened, right?


Did Saban also never lose his starting QB at LSU and go in at the halftime trailing, 17-7, to a team that with a win was playing for the national title - and then won with the backup?


Yes to both of those.



He’s got to figure out how to put Mac in situations he can succeed. He’s not Tua. He doesn’t process things nearly as quickly.
If you say so.



In the championship game Sark didn’t call 3 straight runs after Bo went out despite having a lead and a good running game.
Because he was in 3rd and 11, 2nd and then 3rd and 7, and 3rd and 16 without his best running back.

I don't disagree that maybe he should have tried it, but keep in mind Clemson was already assuming we were going to be one-dimensional running, which is why OJ Howard was so wide open when Bo was still in the game.





If he had ponded the ball Baka likely wins that game.
Well, maybe. But Bo played the third quarter.

In the entire second half - until the final drive - we ran 24 plays for 130 yards.
68 of those yards came on the pass play to Howard, so that means we ran 23 plays and got 62 yards.

Maybe we could have done better if Cam Robinson hadn't had a false start to put us at 1st and 15 in their red zone.
Maybe if Clemson doesn't make the tackle on our fumble recovery and we get a NOT, we win.
Maybe if the officials actually call the pick plays penalties.....


There's plenty of reasons we lost to Clemson to end 2016.
Sark's play calling isn't in the top five reasons why. It's not like he had a quarterback who could pass.
 

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If he finishes strong this year, I'd say he probably is a "shoo-in" next year. He's the kind of QB Saban likes and is comfortable with...
Sometimes I have to remind folks that he won a title with Greg McElroy and Jake Coker. I’d say Mac has at least their equal in physical tools. If he can manage the butterflies and avoid the BIG mistake he’ll be ok. We may not win but I certainly don’t think we have ZERO chance.
 

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He’s under pressure. He’s got to get a backup QB to beat a good team on the road. That’s never happened under Saban. He’s got to figure out how to put Mac in situations he can succeed. He’s not Tua. He doesn’t process things nearly as quickly.
But he has learned something that Tua never really learned...sometimes a play isn’t there to be made and throw it away. Knowing is half the battle just like GI Joe said ;)
 

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Modern schmodern. I’ll take Jake. Coker to QB my football team any time. Winner.


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I'm not concerned with Sark's gameplan. I think he has done a good job of getting Mac comfortable in the offense and building confidence in him. I'm more concerned with Mac's ability to read the defense. I suspect, and I'm sure I'm not saying anything profound here, that Steele will play the corners and safeties close to the line of scrimmage to try and take away the quick throws and dare us to throw over the top. I think there will be some real opportunities for big plays, but the question will be whether Mac can hit on them.
I will be interested to see how the game is called by the refs. I expect AU defensive backs to try and disrupt our receivers at the line and their will no doubt be a lot of grabbing and holding during the game.
 

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I will be interested to see how the game is called by the refs. I expect AU defensive backs to try and disrupt our receivers at the line and their will no doubt be a lot of grabbing and holding during the game.

If Auburn is allowed to grab and hold, then Bama should be allowed. I just want the refs to be consistent. I know what will happen though... refs will call most everything on Bama, and not much on Auburn. Especially since it is a home game for Auburn and they can ruin our playoff chances.
 

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If Auburn is allowed to grab and hold, then Bama should be allowed. I just want the refs to be consistent. I know what will happen though... refs will call most everything on Bama, and not much on Auburn. Especially since it is a home game for Auburn and they can ruin our playoff chances.
The question is not whether or not both can - it is whether or not Alabama will. Saban simply will not take what the officials are giving his players in a game.

The unknown right now is how Auburn will defend Alabama. With Tua they would likely use the same strategy that they used against LSU - keep 10 men within 10 yards of the LOS on every snap, rush 3, and force the QB to make fast decisions because the rush gets there so quickly. They did this because LSU's offense was a pass-first offense, and very good at converting 5 yard passes into 20 yard gains. Sound familiar?

The question - will they see Mac as the same threat as they would have seen Tua, or will they play Alabama straight up? If they play you straight up then the slant routes will be open. If they play you the way that they played LSU, those lanes will be clogged and MAC will be forced to look elsewhere - to the edge of the defense.

We just have to wait and see how Auburn plays defensively. Also, Alabama's o-line is much better than LSU's. Can a 3 man rush from Auburn get to Mac?
 

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If there were ever a time for a statement win, this game is it. What we've been able to do on Offense is incredible and I wish we had the first half of LSU back (well at least the first series where Tua fumbled). However, we have to live with where we are - and that means we now need a decisive, must-win, dominating victory over that other team with a season's best defensive effort to boot.

I don't think this game has anything to do with Sark staying or going. He's secured CNS's trust and deservedly so, IMHO. It's not a must-win in that respect. It is a must-win in the context of having a 2% chance of getting into the CFP.
 

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Since I'm a fan I can look beyond the game into next year and since this has been discussed in this thread, here goes.

As others have said I think the game is pretty important for MJ's future rather than Sark's.

As I've said, I don't know if MJ's performance here is a "try-out" for the starter's position next year or not, but the more I think about it I do think the IB will tell us, and more importantly, the coaching staff, what "kind" of QB MJ really is/can be. Is he more like a "Jake Coker" than "GMac" or is he closer to an "AJ" than "Tua" (not that we think he's comparable to Tua) OR can he be even better than AJ or, for practical purposes, better than the new, hotshot "young" kid from Cali???

This game will start to tell us what kind of QB MJ can be. We know he has talent, but how does that translate against probably the best defense we've seen this year?

As others have said CNS has "cast his lot" in the last couple of years with the type of QB who is NOT a game manager so I think that is the interesting "extra" this game might provide for those of us who are fascinated with QB play.

I want Mac to play well and for us to win. But I'm also looking at the bigger picture for down the road into next year and beyond.
 

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