Seahawks fire OC Ryan Grubb after one season

[AlexanderFan]

DeBoer’s offense is considered pro style offense with air and spread concepts. It shares a lot similarities to what McDaniels ran with the Patriots run with a Brady, Pedersen with Eagles, Martz with Kurt Warner at the Rams, and even Andy Reid with the Chiefs. People hear “Air Raid” and immediately think gimmick, but offenses with air raid concepts have been very successful for many years. Finding the balance between passing and keeping enough of a running game to keep defenses honest is key.

The one thing that is 100%, absolutely key though is QB play. Of course that can be said for any offense really, the scheme is not built to to line and pound the ball against 8 and 9 man fronts if your QB can’t run the run the offense. Without competent QB play, these offense will struggle. If you don’t believe that, you just have to watch the stark difference between how we looked this year between good Jalen and bad Jalen. This offense line or die by the QB, so DeBoer having his guy (and capable) backups will determine the success of any seaso

Dillon Johnson rushed for 1195 yards, for an average of 16.6 carries per game and 85 yards per game last year at Washington. Those are not huge numbers, but definitely way more than tradition Air Raid numbers. He also had 16 TDs and 5.13 yards per carry. Though the rushing numbers weren’t big numbers, they were timely, impactful runs that kept the offense balanced.

DeBoer’s offenses have also had much higher time of possession numbers than typical Air Raid offenses, which is easier on defenses.

Offenses only have to be efficient: run when you need to, or throw when you need to. Not much else.

It’s a much different story this year if Milroe was 20% more efficient at running this offense.

 

[cdub55]

Offenses only have to be efficient: run when you need to, or throw when you need to. Not much else.

It’s a much different story this year if Milroe was 2,000,000% more efficient at running this offense.

FIFY

 

[tideindc]

DeBoer’s offense is considered pro style offense with air and spread concepts. It shares a lot similarities to what McDaniels ran with the Patriots run with a Brady, Pedersen with Eagles, Martz with Kurt Warner at the Rams, and even Andy Reid with the Chiefs. People hear “Air Raid” and immediately think gimmick, but offenses with air raid concepts have been very successful for many years. Finding the balance between passing and keeping enough of a running game to keep defenses honest is key.

The one thing that is 100%, absolutely key though is QB play. Of course that can be said for any offense really, the scheme is not built to to line and pound the ball against 8 and 9 man fronts if your QB can’t run the run the offense. Without competent QB play, these offense will struggle. If you don’t believe that, you just have to watch the stark difference between how we looked this year between good Jalen and bad Jalen. This offense line or die by the QB, so DeBoer having his guy (and capable) backups will determine the success of any seaso

Dillon Johnson rushed for 1195 yards, for an average of 16.6 carries per game and 85 yards per game last year at Washington. Those are not huge numbers, but definitely way more than tradition Air Raid numbers. He also had 16 TDs and 5.13 yards per carry. Though the rushing numbers weren’t big numbers, they were timely, impactful runs that kept the offense balanced.

DeBoer’s offenses have also had much higher time of possession numbers than typical Air Raid offenses, which is easier on defenses.

All I know is that Grubb has been a highly respected and successful college OC. Sheridan has been neither. Hope we get him.

 

[CrimSonami]

And this is precisely why he is where he is today in his NFL journey!

I know it's not popular with many of the NFL here on this board, but I've become a bandwagon fan of the Eagles the last few years because they keep getting these Bama boys I love! Just between Jalen, Smitty and Country Boy Dickerson, I rooting hard for them.

Love or hate the Eagles but they are a great organization and they are smart enough to draft a bunch of Bama and Georgia boys the last several years. Combine that with great trades like AJ and Barclay and they are rocking and rolling!

And a plus or us in north Alabama is Reed Blankenship who played at West Limestone High School and was a UDFA, I think, out of MTSU. My youngest son as a HS sophomore played against and had to guard him as a Senior when he was on offense. Tough task, to say the least.

 

[TideEngineer08]

DeBoer’s offense is considered pro style offense with air and spread concepts. It shares a lot similarities to what McDaniels ran with the Patriots run with a Brady, Pedersen with Eagles, Martz with Kurt Warner at the Rams, and even Andy Reid with the Chiefs. People hear “Air Raid” and immediately think gimmick, but offenses with air raid concepts have been very successful for many years. Finding the balance between passing and keeping enough of a running game to keep defenses honest is key.

The one thing that is 100%, absolutely key though is QB play. Of course that can be said for any offense really, the scheme is not built to to line and pound the ball against 8 and 9 man fronts if your QB can’t run the run the offense. Without competent QB play, these offense will struggle. If you don’t believe that, you just have to watch the stark difference between how we looked this year between good Jalen and bad Jalen. This offense line or die by the QB, so DeBoer having his guy (and capable) backups will determine the success of any seaso

Dillon Johnson rushed for 1195 yards, for an average of 16.6 carries per game and 85 yards per game last year at Washington. Those are not huge numbers, but definitely way more than tradition Air Raid numbers. He also had 16 TDs and 5.13 yards per carry. Though the rushing numbers weren’t big numbers, they were timely, impactful runs that kept the offense balanced.

DeBoer’s offenses have also had much higher time of possession numbers than typical Air Raid offenses, which is easier on defenses.

Compare those rushing numbers to Jam Miller's this year. Or even Miller/Haynes combined.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Compare those rushing numbers to Jam Miller's this year. Or even Miller/Haynes combined.

I think we know why...

 

[BamaInBham]

No. It was pretty mediocre overall though

Geno Smith loved him as a coach and man. He could not lavish enough praise for the kind of coach and man he is and how he had adapted. He publicly campaigned for his return.

Some Bama fans have spoken as though Grubb does not want to be here. I don’t know if that is true except indirectly. He probably prefers that part of the country since that is where he is from but most football coaches know that moving is part of the job. Again as has been noted multiple times already, it is his wife who is the reluctant one from my understanding at the time.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Geno Smith loved him as a coach and man. He could not lavish enough praise for the kind of coach and man he is and how he had adapted. He publicly campaigned for his return.

Some Bama fans have spoken as though Grubb does not want to be here. I don’t know if that is true except indirectly. He probably prefers that part of the country since that is where he is from but most football coaches know that moving is part of the job. Again as has been noted multiple times already, it is his wife who is the reluctant one from my understanding at the time.

I actually thought Geno Smith had basically resurrected his career in Seattle as well.

 

[cdub55]

It was reported Grubb's wife did not want to move to Tuscaloosa.

Personally, I would be glad to have him on staff but I do think we would be smart to add a clause in his contract where it would be costly for him to break off and leave before fulfilling his duties. Would be great to have him completely focused on getting us on the right track on offense and not having one eye on what other jobs are opening up.

 

[BamaInBham]

Imo he came for the pay check mostly but not totally. Other wise no tears

There was not that much difference in pay, IMO, he came thinking that it is easier to win big here. Despite appearances, he REALY cares about winning and has done it everywhere he's been.

Someone posted earlier that he took over a “championship” NAIA program. It was a successful one but it had won one NC in its history - 10 years prior. He won 3 out of 4 going 56-1 and lost in the championship game the year he missed. Yes, it was NAIA and that matters a lot, but he totally dominated it.

 

[BamaInBham]

I actually thought Geno Smith had basically resurrected his career in Seattle as well.

You are correct but it was prior to Grubb’s arrival.

 

[Tidewater]

FIFY

I can see we are going to have a "Dadgummit doll" for a long time to come.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

There was not that much difference in pay, IMO, he came thinking that it is easier to win big here. Despite appearances, he REALY cares about winning and has done it everywhere he's been.

Someone posted earlier that he took over a “championship” NAIA program. It was a successful one but it had won one NC in its history - 10 years prior. He won 3 out of 4 going 56-1 and lost in the championship game the year he missed. Yes, it was NAIA and that matters a lot, but he totally dominated it.

Correct. He turned down 9.4 million to take this job. Our offer was essentially whatever Washington was going to pay, plus a little bit more. He came here because it was (and still is), the best job in the country. He has everything he needs to win national championships here, and he will if we give him time

Also let's not forget, he coached in a national title game at Washington, so it's not like his NAIA record is some outlier. It's a pattern of success that he has had at every stop. I know people like to discredit him by saying it was in a "weak conference", but it's still power 5 football. Sure, the SEC is a step above the other conferences, but it's not as drastic as the DeBoer detractors would have you believe. He also won a playoff game over a team that beat Bama that year. They ran into a buzzsaw against Michigan, but nobody was beating Michigan after the spygate allegations came out. It was the same phenomena that happened with the Patriots and their spygate scandal about 15 years ago when they proceeded to have an undefeated regular season, and very nearly joined the '72 Dolphins in elite company.

Coach DeBoer's track record speaks for itself, and anyone who tries to claim otherwise is just a hater.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Geno Smith loved him as a coach and man. He could not lavish enough praise for the kind of coach and man he is and how he had adapted. He publicly campaigned for his return.

That's good.

 

[Cruloc]

FIFY

2,000,000% x 0 is still 0.

 

[dWarriors88]

It was reported Grubb's wife did not want to move to Tuscaloosa.

Personally, I would be glad to have him on staff but I do think we would be smart to add a clause in his contract where it would be costly for him to break off and leave before fulfilling his duties. Would be great to have him completely focused on getting us on the right track on offense and not having one eye on what other jobs are opening up.

I may have to retract my initial enthusiasm, I'm reading this SI article and some of it is pretty telling and has me thinking perhaps there are better fits for our program, read on:

Knotted up at 10 apiece at halftime, Macdonald implored Grubb to get Walker more involved in the second half after Seattle mustered only three points in the first two quarters on offense. But two plays after Smith connected with Tyler Lockett for a 33-yard completion to open the second half, Metcalf fumbled on a quick reception, setting the Giants up for a Daniel Jones touchdown pass.

From there, even with the Seahawks only trailing by seven, Grubb became trigger happy, calling five passes on six plays on the next drive as they were forced to settle for a Jason Myers field goal. On the ensuing possession, facing 4th and 1 in Giants territory, he dialed up a play action pass rather than trying to run for the yard to gain, but Burns didn't buy the fake and devoured Smith for an eight-yard sack to turn the ball over on downs.

By the time New York iced the game with a blocked field goal returned for a touchdown in the closing moments, Smith had dropped back to throw 47 times while Walker had a total of five carries for 19 yards and Seattle had ran the ball a total of seven times with running backs. Completely abandoning the run game in a close contest, Grubb called pass plays on a stunning 87 percent of the team's snaps, leading to Smith being sacked seven times.

They go on to describe the rest of the season, the seahawks found a rhythm in the following games after this with 4 wins, mostly by running the ball. However Grubb continued to show his unwillingness to utilize the run

Already in field goal range for Myers, Macdonald wanted to start bleeding the clock to the Seahawks advantage, hoping to eventually force the Vikings into using their timeouts as they positioned themselves for a tying field goal or a game-winning touchdown. But Grubb called another pass play out of shotgun, allowing linebacker Andrew Van Ginkel to crash the pocket and sack Smith for a six-yard loss.

An incompletion and one-yard pass later, Myers came up well short of the uprights on a 60-yard prayer in overcast, damp conditions, turning the ball back over to Minnesota. After the game, Macdonald called out Smith for taking the first down sack, but behind closed doors, he continued to bemoan the lack of balance and missing out on an opportunity for a big win, screaming at himself moments after exiting the podium in his post-game press conference.

"Disillusioned and incompatible. There wasn't any other decision that could be made by Mike."

I don't know about you guys but I have always seen the running game as a vital part of any championship caliber team, you need to establish the line of scrimmage at will. Ryan Grubb's shown a complete disregard for the running game, and if you guys are okay with yelling RUN THE BALL at the TV every saturday, perhaps we might could find a better fit for the Crimson Tide. I like having stud feature Running Backs. We have a long tradition and established history of running backs, in fact my uncle will tell you that there was a USC running back that ran up and down Alabama's backside that initiated integration into the football program back in the civil rights days. Now that last bit is a stretch but other points remain.

 

[mlingerfelt31]

Has CKD reached out to Ryan Grubb yet?

 

[countrytider]

I may have to retract my initial enthusiasm, I'm reading this SI article and some of it is pretty telling and has me thinking perhaps there are better fits for our program, read on:



They go on to describe the rest of the season, the seahawks found a rhythm in the following games after this with 4 wins, mostly by running the ball. However Grubb continued to show his unwillingness to utilize the run



"Disillusioned and incompatible. There wasn't any other decision that could be made by Mike."

I don't know about you guys but I have always seen the running game as a vital part of any championship caliber team, you need to establish the line of scrimmage at will. Ryan Grubb's shown a complete disregard for the running game, and if you guys are okay with yelling RUN THE BALL at the TV every saturday, perhaps we might could find a better fit for the Crimson Tide. I like having stud feature Running Backs. We have a long tradition and established history of running backs, in fact my uncle will tell you that there was a USC running back that ran up and down Alabama's backside that initiated integration into the football program back in the civil rights days. Now that last bit is a stretch but other points remain.

I don’t disagree with you, but our HC fully believes in Grubb’s philosophy….

 

[92tide]

2,000,000% x 0 is still 0.

two wins against georgia, an sec championship, and a cfp appearance is a little more than 0

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

I don’t disagree with you, but our HC fully believes in Grubb’s philosophy….

Well, maybe he could convince him to balance the offense.........you need running and passing