Seahawks fire OC Ryan Grubb after one season

[countrytider]

We had a DC and two co-DCs last year. Not sure exactly how that works, but DeBoer likes to give Co titles.

I think it mostly involves a nice bump in pay.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I think it mostly involves a nice bump in pay.

And recognition that you’re important lol.

 

[some_al_fan]

OC / co-OC title doesn't matter. What matters is that DeBoer has $9.425 million salary pool for his coaches (could be inflation adjusted for this year)
This number is written into his contract

https://247sports.com/college/alabama/article/contract-details-released-for-alabama-assistant-football-coaches-staff-members-228908878/

Either someone will need to get fired to bring Grubb or we can bring Grubb at the cheap analyst salary level.

 

[CrimSonami]

Let me add: Put me firmly in the camp wanting to bring Grubb back, and give him play-calling duties.

I think his history working with DeBoer, and likewise results, speaks for itself.

Offer Sheridan and Shepard reduced roles, and let the chips fall where they may.

If we made one halftime adjustment on offense this season I didn’t see it.

If the game-plan worked, it worked. If it didn’t , it didn’t.

The OC and staff couldn’t make adjustments cuz the QB could not execute the already dumbed down offense when pressured. And you’re right. It either worked or it didn’t. Most frustrating season in 20+ years.

 

[editder]

Is there any indication that CKD is unhappy with Sheridan, or is it just the fans?

I think our expectations are unrealistic if we believe CKD will replace someone without cause (from his perspective) even to bring in someone he likes and might prefer.

Look at how long it took for CNS to send Golding packing. He makes Sheridan look like Sark and Kiffin combined.

 

[Coach25]

Saying our coaches couldn’t adjust in games because of Milroe is ridiculous. The problem is our coaching staff tried to make our players conform to their scheme instead of creating a scheme around our players ability. Kiffin was the best at this in my opinion. Milroe could not run this offense effectively, we all agree. Yet he ran the plays called by the OC. This wasn’t a one game experiment where you had to just make it through a game because of an injury. In the offseason, you should have implemented more of an offensive scheme where Milroe could thrive or at least run effectively or go a different direction at qb. Coaching for 20 something years at a small high school we always had to adjust our offensive scheme to the players. One year we might run spread, next year might run veer, the next year might run zone read/wildcat. With Milroe I would have ran a zone read based offense with bootlegs and roll the pocket. Give him a single read and if it’s not there he is already on the move which makes him harder to sack and easier to see the running lanes. Problem was we tried to use him as a pocket passer which he is not. Before someone says he couldn’t run the zone read, our high school staff could teach the zone read to a dumb dodo bird.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Saying our coaches couldn’t adjust in games because of Milroe is ridiculous. The problem is our coaching staff tried to make our players conform to their scheme instead of creating a scheme around our players ability. Kiffin was the best at this in my opinion. Milroe could not run this offense effectively, we all agree. Yet he ran the plays called by the OC. This wasn’t a one game experiment where you had to just make it through a game because of an injury. In the offseason, you should have implemented more of an offensive scheme where Milroe could thrive or at least run effectively or go a different direction at qb. Coaching for 20 something years at a small high school we always had to adjust our offensive scheme to the players. One year we might run spread, next year might run veer, the next year might run zone read/wildcat. With Milroe I would have ran a zone read based offense with bootlegs and roll the pocket. Give him a single read and if it’s not there he is already on the move which makes him harder to sack and easier to see the running lanes. Problem was we tried to use him as a pocket passer which he is not. Before someone says he couldn’t run the zone read, our high school staff could teach the zone read to a dumb dodo bird.

The offense Washington ran last year threw for 5,000 yards. This year’s offense looked nothing like it.

This year’s offense looked very similar to last year’s offense, even though almost all the entire offensive staff was replaced. The main holdover was the starting quarterback.

I’m sure you can connect the dots.

 

[AlistarWills]

Saying our coaches couldn’t adjust in games because of Milroe is ridiculous. The problem is our coaching staff tried to make our players conform to their scheme instead of creating a scheme around our players ability. Kiffin was the best at this in my opinion. Milroe could not run this offense effectively, we all agree. Yet he ran the plays called by the OC. This wasn’t a one game experiment where you had to just make it through a game because of an injury. In the offseason, you should have implemented more of an offensive scheme where Milroe could thrive or at least run effectively or go a different direction at qb. Coaching for 20 something years at a small high school we always had to adjust our offensive scheme to the players. One year we might run spread, next year might run veer, the next year might run zone read/wildcat. With Milroe I would have ran a zone read based offense with bootlegs and roll the pocket. Give him a single read and if it’s not there he is already on the move which makes him harder to sack and easier to see the running lanes. Problem was we tried to use him as a pocket passer which he is not. Before someone says he couldn’t run the zone read, our high school staff could teach the zone read to a dumb dodo bird.

I’ll take this one.
He couldn’t run the zone read. He couldn’t consistently make the right read or was incredibly selfish, and kept the ball many times where a handoff would have gained good yardage.
As far as rolling out, I don’t know that I recall seeing him roll and throw. My memory isn’t what it used to be so I’d hope someone else could chime in on that.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Saying our coaches couldn’t adjust in games because of Milroe is ridiculous. The problem is our coaching staff tried to make our players conform to their scheme instead of creating a scheme around our players ability. Kiffin was the best at this in my opinion. Milroe could not run this offense effectively, we all agree. Yet he ran the plays called by the OC. This wasn’t a one game experiment where you had to just make it through a game because of an injury. In the offseason, you should have implemented more of an offensive scheme where Milroe could thrive or at least run effectively or go a different direction at qb. Coaching for 20 something years at a small high school we always had to adjust our offensive scheme to the players. One year we might run spread, next year might run veer, the next year might run zone read/wildcat. With Milroe I would have ran a zone read based offense with bootlegs and roll the pocket. Give him a single read and if it’s not there he is already on the move which makes him harder to sack and easier to see the running lanes. Problem was we tried to use him as a pocket passer which he is not. Before someone says he couldn’t run the zone read, our high school staff could teach the zone read to a dumb dodo bird.

Yea, I’ll quote the same message again: This isn’t high school and the coach isn’t in charge. Google “Marshall bowl game” to see how much control the colleges have of college football now.

 

[Coach25]

I’ll take this one.
He couldn’t run the zone read. He couldn’t consistently make the right read or was incredibly selfish, and kept the ball many times where a handoff would have gained good yardage.
As far as rolling out, I don’t know that I recall seeing him roll and throw. My memory isn’t what it used to be so I’d hope someone else could chime in on that.

If you really think he couldn’t do a simple zone read type offense if you made that the main offense then we should fire every coach on staff because it doesn’t get much easier to teach then that and if you say he couldn’t make the read then they should be fired because they didn’t have the fortitude to bench him. Either way the OC and offensive coaches were a failure. He failed at OC with Indiana with Penix jr. and has failed at Alabama as OC. When you have a lemon car with a bad tire, you change the wheels and still have a lemon of a car. It’s not magically going to turn in to a Mercedes because you got new Michelin’s.

 

[Coach25]

I’m excited to be moving in from Milroe but we need a clean break from Sheridan as well. He didn’t show me anything to be excited for going forward. If we could get Grubb, I think we could have an explosive offense.

 

[CB4]

I’ll take this one.
He couldn’t run the zone read. He couldn’t consistently make the right read or was incredibly selfish, and kept the ball many times where a handoff would have gained good yardage.
As far as rolling out, I don’t know that I recall seeing him roll and throw. My memory isn’t what it used to be so I’d hope someone else could chime in on that.

Every RPO/Zone read in 2023 was predetermined. Milroe wasn’t given the option to “read” because he couldn’t. In high school, Milroe ran a lot, but most of it was from drop back, not read or option type offense.

Bottom line: Milroe was never developed as a true QB in any system. He was a superior athlete with the ability to throw and great straight line speed. He wasn’t developed coming to Alabama and will leave under developed.

Say what you want about Bill O’Brien. There were a bunch of things he got wrong at Alabama as an OC and QB Coach. One thing he was right about. Milroe isn’t a QB.

 

[smokies1]

Is there any indication that CKD is unhappy with Sheridan, or is it just the fans?

I think our expectations are unrealistic if we believe CKD will replace someone without cause (from his perspective) even to bring in someone he likes and might prefer.

Look at how long it took for CNS to send Golding packing. He makes Sheridan look like Sark and Kiffin combined.

Here's the two hanging out after the Michigan game, I don't think Sheridan is going anywhere, not too mention how DeBoer was ride or die with Milroe all season, hope he doesn't see coaches the same way he sees certain players.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1875955946029264940

 

[Coach25]

Every RPO/Zone read in 2023 was predetermined. Milroe wasn’t given the option to “read” because he couldn’t. In high school, Milroe ran a lot, but most of it was from drop back, not read or option type offense.

Bottom line: Milroe was never developed as a true QB in any system. He was a superior athlete with the ability to throw and great straight line speed. He wasn’t developed coming to Alabama and will leave under developed.

Say what you want about Bill O’Brien. There were a bunch of things he got wrong at Alabama as an OC and QB Coach. One thing he was right about. Milroe isn’t a QB.

I agree 100 % How much better off we could have been if we had listened to him. I like the kid as a leader and off the field but he was mispositioned and every OC after that tried to make him something he was never going to be a pocket passer.

 

[B1GTide]

Saying our coaches couldn’t adjust in games because of Milroe is ridiculous. The problem is our coaching staff tried to make our players conform to their scheme instead of creating a scheme around our players ability.

No, the problem is that Alabama played Milroe. End of story. No coach was winning with Milroe at QB when facing a solid defense.

 

[The Ols]

If you really think he couldn’t do a simple zone read type offense if you made that the main offense then we should fire every coach on staff because it doesn’t get much easier to teach then that and if you say he couldn’t make the read then they should be fired because they didn’t have the fortitude to bench him. Either way the OC and offensive coaches were a failure. He failed at OC with Indiana with Penix jr. and has failed at Alabama as OC. When you have a lemon car with a bad tire, you change the wheels and still have a lemon of a car. It’s not magically going to turn in to a Mercedes because you got new Michelin’s.

Not being a smart aleck…have you watched the games the last two years?

 

[mlh]

Yea, I’ll quote the same message again: This isn’t high school and the coach isn’t in charge. Google “Marshall bowl game” to see how much control the colleges have of college football now.

I think Marshall's HC leaving had a lot to do with the number of players hitting the portal. So it's not just the players who are causing chaos.

 

[Coach25]

No, the problem is that Alabama played Milroe. End of story. No coach was winning with Milroe at QB when facing a solid defense.

Give me OC Kiffin with Milroe (as bad as he was this year) and we make playoffs. Look what Kiffin did with Blake Sims. He made the offense around what Sims could do and stayed away from what he couldn’t do.

 

[Coach25]

Not being a smart aleck…have you watched the games the last two years?

Yep I have and saw enough that either go in a different direction at qb or take Milroe out of the pocket and get him on the move every play.

 

[some_al_fan]

Give me OC Kiffin with Milroe (as bad as he was this year) and we make playoffs. Look what Kiffin did with Blake Sims. He made the offense around what Sims could do and stayed away from what he couldn’t do.

Milroe can do 2 things: long passes and perimeter runs. If you have a defense that can control the edges and pass rushers to blitz then there is nothing OC can do with Milroe to counter that. That was proven this year & last year.

If the defense can’t control the edges, then Milroe will look like a Heisman candidate like he did against LSU