BREAKING Sec additions–Texas, Oklahoma inquire about joining SEC per report

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Please no... this does nothing for the SEC.

It makes no financial sense. None. We have Texas A&M to pull in the viewers in the Southwest. They need us a heck of a lot more than we need them.
Texas A&M already opened up the market. This is a redundancy. Football powers added to conference with plenty of football powers in markets they already exist in.

I'd consider the Virginia and North Carolina markets to hold more value and be less redundant.

Edit: To give an idea, North Carolina and Virginia combine for a population of about 20 million. Texas and Oklahoma combine for about 33 million, but the SEC already is in the state of Texas. It makes sense for Texas and Oklahoma because they're tapping into fertile SEC recruiting territory and TV deals, but the SEC just does not need this.
 

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SEC commissioner Greg Sankey would not address the report while in attendance at 2021 SEC Media Days on Wednesday.

"No comment on that speculation," he told CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd. Sankey later added: "We are only worried about the 2021 season. Somebody dropped a report from unnamed people."

Why not just say this isn't happening and just get it over with Sankey lol ... now it just looks fishy.

Again, I think the two teams are just jockeying for what the want in the Big 12. I'm sure they reached out to the SEC about expansion to make it look creditable. I've been wrong before but this one just seems to make no sense.
 

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I could live with Oklahoma but not Texas. Let the BXII deal with their egos. I like being the premier name in the SEC and Texas (if they ever get their act together) could take the shine off that a bit when Saban retires.

I can’t see the SEC allowing the LHN. So that’s an issue.

What about divisions and scheduling? I guess those two go in the West with Missouri and us and the barn move to the East. That keeps the barn-UGA and the Fourteenessee games annually without requiring permanent crossovers.
 

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Why not just say this isn't happening and just get it over with Sankey lol ... now it just looks fishy.

Again, I think the two teams are just jockeying for what the want in the Big 12. I'm sure they reached out to the SEC about expansion to make it look creditable. I've been wrong before but this one just seems to make no sense.
Heavy sigh. Now espn reporting it. I am with you why not just shoot the rumor down? Plus even if they vote on it, I am positive it would not be unanimous. I would guess there would be at least 2 no votes.
 
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Please no... this does nothing for the SEC.


Texas A&M already opened up the market. This is a redundancy. Football powers added to conference with plenty of football powers in markets they already exist in.

I'd consider the Virginia and North Carolina markets to hold more value and be less redundant.

Edit: To give an idea, North Carolina and Virginia combine for a population of about 20 million. Texas and Oklahoma combine for about 33 million, but the SEC already is in the state of Texas. It makes sense for Texas and Oklahoma because they're tapping into fertile SEC recruiting territory and TV deals, but the SEC just does not need this.
All four expansions have put us in new states. While the 1992 expansion was just to get us a title game, it did expand the footprint. The last one got us into Texas. The SECN is already in Texas and Oklahoma doesn’t add much.

I don’t see UNC and Virginia lowering themselves to associate with a bunch of rubes who aren’t basketball first oriented.

I had always heard Okie wouldn’t go without little brother.
 
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This is some kind of political play.

Texas A&M isn't about to be ok with Texas joining the conference.

Texas, if we are being honest, really doesn't want to be in the SEC.

Oklahoma has never been able to loose itself from Oklahoma State in any prior migration possibility... why now?

So, nothing really adds up. Which means it's probably already a done deal.
 

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Heavy sigh. Now espn reporting it. I am with you why not just shoot the rumor down? Plus even if they vote on it, I am positive it would not be unanimous. I would guess there would be at least 2 no votes.
Not that I care, but TAMU would really get the raw end of this deal. They've put in the work to better their Texas footprint and the biggest thing they had over Texas is that they play in the SEC.

I'll be glad when both schools come out and say they are staying in the Big 12 and this silliness will be over lol
 
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Not that I care, but TAMU would really get the raw end of this deal. They've put in the work to better their Texas footprint and the biggest thing they had over Texas is that they play in the SEC.

I'll be glad when both schools come out and say they are staying in the Big 12 and this silliness will be over lol
Oh it would be a horrible look for A&M, indeed.

And for the record... Texas isn't worth it.
 

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All four expansions have put us in new states. While the 1992 expansion was just to get us a title game, it did expand the footprint. The last one got us into Texas. The SECN is already in Texas and Oklahoma doesn’t add much.

I don’t see UNC and Virginia lowering themselves to associate with a bunch of rubes who aren’t basketball first oriented.

I had always heard Okie wouldn’t go without little brother.
I don't see an imminent move to add UNC and Virginia either, just illustrating that there are better moves out there to be made. I would add that Notre Dame would be a better addition as well in my opinion (state of Indiana but also a huge footprint nationally).

Oklahoma to the SEC feels a lot like Nebraska to the Big 10. Could work out poorly for both parties. Texas as you mentioned is a redundancy the SEC up until now has been smart enough to avoid with additions.

I'm not even sure who wins in all of this. The SEC just signed a huge ESPN deal, so there won't be a lot more money for the SEC. For Oklahoma may be this is more money? Texas may be they want to go try to squash little brother?

You can't have a division with something like Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, Texas A&M and Auburn and not have someone really get the short end of the stick. Even if you realign divisions you still end up with something stupid somewhere with 4 top 15 all time programs in one division no matter how you do it.

If there's anything to this it's probably driven by ego as much as anything, but it's not like the committee is going to start putting 4 loss SEC teams in a playoff or something.
 

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We're thinking about divisions, who says there are even divisions anymore if something like this goes down? You don't need them anymore in order to have a conference championship. The move to a 12 team playoff may also even cause conferences to disband the games. Perhaps this is a move to make up the money lost if the SEC decides to cancel the game? Far fetched, yes. I'm just spit-balling.

Anyway, in a traditional set up, you'd move Missouri to the West, and Alabama/Auburn to the East. The only significant historical rivalry you'd lose is the Alabama vs. LSU game. That's always been no better than 3rd on Alabama's list, behind Tennessee and Auburn, even if the Nick Saban era ratcheted that up 100 notches. LSU always likes to claim they have no traditional rivals, but the Ole Miss game has a ton of history for them, and there was always bad blood between them and A&M before that game was discontinued in the 90s.
 
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If it were to happen this would likely be the alignment:

WestEast
OklahomaAlabama
LSUFlorida
TexasGeorgia
Texas A&MTennessee
ArkansasAuburn
MississippiKentucky
MissouriSouth Carolina
Mississippi StateVanderbilt

If this were to happen the SEC would have 4 of the top 10 programs of all time:
1 - Alabama
3 - Oklahoma
6 - Texas
10 - LSU

and 10 of the top 25 programs:
11 - Tennessee (I see Tenn as better than UGA nationally with 2 NCs to 1, with all else being almost the same.)
13 - Georgia
14 - Florida
15 - Auburn
19 - Texas A&M
25 - Arkansas
 
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If it were to happen this would likely be the alignment:

WestEast
OklahomaAlabama
LSUFlorida
TexasGeorgia
Texas A&MTennessee
ArkansasAuburn
MississippiKentucky
MissouriSouth Carolina
Mississippi StateVanderbilt

Every traditional football power from the old SEC days in one division (except LSU). What could go wrong?
 
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