Poll: Should Tim Tebow play against LSU?

Should Tim Tebow be allowed to play against LSU?


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WMack4Bama

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I posted an article earlier today that said that even if he were healthy, Brantley would get the starting nod against LSU. That report was from the Palm Beach Post or something like that.

Well, ESPN's Joe Schad just reported on his Twitter page that Tebow's in full pads headed to the practice field. I hope this thing ends well.
 

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Found this posted on another board, from a doctor. The emphasis in the first paragraph is mine:

I'm a doctor. Grading and treating concussions is highly variable from sport to sport, different age groups, and between doctors. My thoughts are these:

1) If Urban Meyer really said that Tebow's injury was "no big deal" then he's a fool. Even if Tebow never lost consciousness and was 100% alert/oriented with no memory loss with 30 seconds of the impact, concussions are never a "no big deal" kind of injury.

2) Based on teammates comments about "eyes rolling into the back of the head" I think its likely Tebow was unconscious briefly. Based on the film I've seen, its probably just a couple of minutes at max. Whether he was knocked out or not is important, because it changes the grading/evaluation and recommendations for concussion management.

3) In terms of the management of the field team, I'm assuming that team includes a sports medicine doctor (usually an orthopedic surgeon) and several athletic trainers. Not all concussions require monitoring in the ER or an overnight hospitalization. I'm sure they quizzed him about any neck pain or numbness/tingling/paralysis in his extremities and checked his cervical spine for point tenderness. I'm assuming he passed all phases of that exam, and in that case it is not necessary to immobilize Tebow in a c-collar. On the other hand, if he was unable to respond or wasnt visibly moving extremities upon command, then yes they should have placed the collar on him and immediately transported to the hospital. I'm assuming that once they got him to the sideline, they did a thorough cranial/scalp exam to assess for any point tenderness, swelling/bruising and didnt find any, making a skull fracture unlikely. Assuming they did all those things that I listed above, then I cant find any fault with how they dealt with him. At the point he started vomiting, they made the appropriate decision and took him to the hospital. Medical status changes constantly, and just because he ended up at the hospital later does NOT mean that the doctors/trainers made an error in not sending him sooner.

4) To really get a full assessment of the severity and management recommendations for anybody, its critically important to know about their concussion history. If you have 2 people who get a grade I concussion (minor) and one of them has never had a concussion before while the other guy has had 3 prior incidences of concussions including one requiring an intubation and ICU stay, it makes the difference between clearing the player to play next week vs never allowing him to play contact sports again. The coaches and medical staff should absolutely be able to recite any given player's concussion history. Its possible the medical staff is just not releasing the info since it could be considered "protected" information under HIPPA (federal privacy laws).

5) There are several different grading and management systems for concussions. The big 3 that are the most widely used are the American Academy of Neurology, Colorado Medical Society, and a set of evidence-based guidelines put out by a research group of neurosurgeons at Harvard Brigham/Womens Hospital led by Dr Cantu. You can google those, they are available at a bunch of websites. My understanding is that the NCAA advises its collegiate medical teams to use the Colorado Medical Society guidelines, but I cant be sure about that. The Cantu guidelines are generally the strictest/most conservative whereas the AAN guidelines allow a sooner return to play.

6) All concussions, by definition, have either amnesia to varying degrees and/or confusion. The news articles state that Tebow had passed all of his neuro status screens by 12 hours after the injury. With the vomiting and the loss of consciousness, thats automatically at least a grade 2, no matter what system you go by. According to the CMS and AAN guidelines, its already grade 3 injury.

7) Assuming that this is Tebow's first concussion of the season, then here are the recs:

Cantu: out for 1 week
CMS: out for 1 month (assuming + LOC of any duration)
AAN: out for 1-2 weeks (assuming + LOC and depending if LOC is seconds or minutes long)

8) If this is Tebow's 2nd concussion of the season, then the management recs become MUCH more stringent/conservative:

Cantu: out for 1 month
CMS: out for the year
AAN: out for the year

As you can see, this makes a huge difference in how long the athlete is out. Urban Meyer's comments imply to me that he has not had an earlier concussion this season, because if he had, there's no chance he'll play at LSU, regardless of how well he feels right now.
 
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Unless Meyer's comments are a deliberate mind-game with LSU, they are asinine. I notice that there are a few of us posting who have had concussions and we all know how serious it is...
 

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Regardless of the outcome, I dont think there is any positive PR to be gained from him playing, win or lose. We have no idea how his symptoms are right now. We have no idea what it feels like for him to get hit again. We have all watched Tebow's style of play and he definitely likes to run leading with his head down. Honestly I am surprised with his running style he has not sustained a concussion previously.

It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility they will will allow him to play if for nothing more than to perpetuate the "Legend of Tebow" even further which already beyond sickening to this point. No two ways about it if he plays, he is toying with his God given ability and his coaches are unnecessarily jeopardizing his career. Honestly, I dont think Tebow can make this decision for himself because he is so driven competitively speaking he would want to play regardless of the circumstances and costs.
 

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Honestly I am surprised with his running style he has not sustained a concussion previously.
I'd be very surprised if he hasn't suffered lesser concussions. At least once in the same game, he appeared dazed. UK hit very hard...
 

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If he's good to go then more power to him...but hopefully he understands that another good lick could bring it all back and worse. It will be very interesting to see if he changes his style of play whatsoever. Something tells me he won't, though. Good luck to ya, Tim...
 

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A concussion is Brain Trauma pure and simple. I don't like UF at all but i don't think you can play around with serious things like this.
 

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I'd be very surprised if he hasn't suffered lesser concussions. At least once in the same game, he appeared dazed. UK hit very hard...
Agreed - I watched a replay of the game and believe that the earlier hit dazed him, which probably made the later hit more damaging. If you are hit hard enough to be dazed, your brain has been injured.

I wonder if the Berry collision might have set this in motion... :conf3:
 

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Agreed - I watched a replay of the game and believe that the earlier hit dazed him, which probably made the later hit more damaging. If you are hit hard enough to be dazed, your brain has been injured.

I wonder if the Berry collision might have set this in motion... :conf3:
I posted this in an earlier "Tebow concussion" thread, but watch this video. Watch his face after the collision with Berry. To me it looks like he's dazed and wincing trying to see through the stars. A teammate slaps his helmet and he has no reaction at all. Could that hit have been a mini-concussion?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6s6ompZ7w"]YouTube - (HD) Eric Berry vs. Florida Gators (2009)[/ame]
 

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Two interesting tidbits about this game that I ran across while perusing the cyber fish wraps this morning:

1. In Tebow's stead, Florida is exploring running some variations of the "wildcat". No word yet on who would take the snaps, but my guess would be Moody. He's the bigger back of the stable.

2. Something that should make Brantley comfortable: LSU hasn't registered a sack since the Vandy game. They put all sorts of pressure on Cox at times, but it's been a few weeks since they actually came through with a sack.
 

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we all know how this is going to come out in the end. if LSU wins it was because even though Tebow was cleared he was still a little hazy and feeling some minor symptoms from the concusion but not enought to keep him from playing. If UF wins...well it's just one more "superman" story. kind of like..."even though still suffering from effects of a concusion the doctors said it was up to Tebow. being the true warrior and stud QB that ihe is Tebow decided to ignore the concerns of the docs and play and my lord did he play so well."

ofcourse if he plays and is agian knocked out of the game...well...meh, 6 one way, half a dozen the other to me....
 

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"If he plays and he's knocked out again by a blow to the head, it will be the last football game he ever plays."

Fixed it for you...
 

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i'm sure that if he doesn't play that he will make a rousing half-time speech that will be forever enshrined in gold at the swamp. the he will make his triumphant return under center and vow to lead the team into the history books. or something like that.
 

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