Shula and "signature wins"

[ihatefulmer]

Replace "SHOULD" with "COULD" and I will agree with you.

I was about to post the same thing bayou. Couldn't agree more.

I'm not 100% sold on Shula just yet. I think we all need to wait until his talent level or at least his numbers are even with Auburn,UT,LSU etc...

I do give him credit for winning 6 games last season. I thought at the start of the season we could get 6 wins and that was if we stayed healthy which we didn't. If someone would have told me we were going to have all the injuries I would have said we would be lucky to get 3.

Shula really hasn't had a chance to do everything he wants to do on offense yet. In 03 he didn't have enough time to get everything in and 04 all the injuries crippled our offense. Lets hope we stay healty and our line comes togethere then we will all see what kind of a coach Shula is.

 

[KayBee]

bottom line is nobody knows whether or not Shula is a good head coach....too many circumstances surrounding his first two years to really get an accurate assessment of his abilities

he could turn out to be the best coach in the nation or he could turn out to be absolutely horrible....I think he is much much closer to the former than the latter and I don't many people would disagree with that

but we haven't seen his true ability yet because of no practice time in season one and injuries in seasons one and two....we just have to wait and see

I do think however he is not the type of coach that will get noticed because he does not have a "presence" about him....he's just been real laid back and not really made a statement or done anything to call attention to himself unnecessarily

and I think that's good

 

[bayoutider]

Please get off the signature wins soap box. And while your climbing down, get off CMS back, too.

If you people grew up where I did, you'd be called "ungrateful" and sent to the peach orchard to pick your own switch. You "soap box" types irritate the hell out of me. All you know is B@#ch, moan, and cry! I'll venture a bet the when CMS brings #13 home to Bama, you'll find something wrong with how he did it!!

CMS is a miracle worker! He took a job at a busted up program, assembled a staff with leftovers from other schools, and had to learn his players names from the backs of the players game day jerseys. Then in his second season he made waves in the SEC West, took Bama back to a bowl game, and had one of the best defenses in the nation. Not to mention that his starters were dropping like flies week in and week out.

And YES injuries played a MAJOR part in how many wins BAMA had this year. Oppossing teams knew Bama couldn't throw the ball, and they stacked up for the run. Any person on the face of the earth that follows college football knows a balanced attack wins big ball games. If you don't, you are Homer Simpson dumb.

That's tellin' em'.

 

[TommyMac]

I'll be glad when this "signature win" thing runs it's course. Reminds me of Bob Stoop's "East Popcorn State" remark, there for awhile after he said that, it seemed like everybody had to work that phrase into their posts as if it was them who'd been clever enough to come up with it.

Coach Shula will win his share of games as soon as he gets on something that resembles a level playing field.

 

[TexasTideFan]

bottom line is nobody knows whether or not Shula is a good head coach....too many circumstances surrounding his first two years to really get an accurate assessment of his abilities

Glad to see someone from the NE LA area on the board since I'm originally from Monroe.

Although I made a post earlier in this thread, I'll jump back in to say I agree with you, it is still very premature to gauge how Coach Shula is going to shake out as a head coach. Folks need to realize that he jumped on to this ship without a lick of head coaching experience and I think most reasonable Bama fans do realize this. Frankly, I was just a little concerned about hiring someone so young without a head coach's resume at first but Coach Shula did what all good coaches do and that's bring in the best assistants he could get and trust. Plus, he has the pedigree and desire to ride the course and that's what the AD wants. However, this year is going to be the year that I feel he will get judged a little stricter if he doesn't produce. Just my $.02.

 

[deliveryman35]

Phrases like "signature win" and "level playing field" both chap my back side and have really been bounced around like a raquetball seemingly unendingly on this site, and have really gotten old. The fact is, Coach Shula is going to have the OPPORTUNITY to succeed here, Coach Moore and the university both will see to that, and I think all(well, most of us) of us WANT him to succeed. He just brought in his second straight excellent recruiting class. Facility improvements are under way. The building blocks of success are being laid. Ultimately, only time will tell the final result.
The "signature win" controversy will hopefully be put to bed when Florida comes to town next season. Maybe then we can finally retire that catchphrase.

 

[runtheoption22]

signature win: getting the state of Florida's class 3A, 4A, and 5A backs of the year in this years signing class.

 

[deliveryman35]

signature win: getting the state of Florida's class 3A, 4A, and 5A backs of the year in this years signing class.

Runtheoption,

Really?? That's great to hear. I guess that's why you're the recruiting guru/wonk on the board.
Will all three of them make the grade?

 

[runtheoption22]

Runtheoption,

Really?? That's great to hear. I guess that's why you're the recruiting guru/wonk on the board.
Will all three of them make the grade?

yep...3A Upchurch, 4A Coffee, 5A Ford.....

Upchurch and Ford need ACT work....their coaches seem to think they'll make it though.....I may have a little fun and compile some info together on each position in this recruiting class in a couple of days

 

[deliveryman35]

yep...3A Upchurch, 4A Coffee, 5A Ford.....

Upchurch and Ford need ACT work....their coaches seem to think they'll make it though.....I may have a little fun and compile some info together on each position in this recruiting class in a couple of days

Keep us posted, Runtheoption,.....share anything you find out, please!!! It goes without saying we need all these guys to be able to suit up in August.....
btw, to any of you that have not gone to Tider Insider to see the video footage of Mike Ford, you are missing something...The guy is unreal....

 

[mlh]

For everyone who considers a "signature win" a measure of how well a coach is rebuilding the program consider this...

Last year Sylvester Croom got a "signature win." He also only won 3 games with losses coming to Maine, Vandy, and UAB. His first two recruiting classes rank near the bottom of the SEC and middle of the pack for all D1A schools. Who do you really think is making more progress toward rebuilding his program -- Shula or Croom?

The "signature wins" will come. At this point I don't regard that as a very good measuring stick for the progress CMS is making in Tuscaloosa.

 

[Just Win]

I'm sorry i started this post

I didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers, just wanted to poke fun at the term "signature win". This is one of talk radio's new buzzwords when it comes to evaluating a new coach. But when they compare a new coach who inherits a full team of players (Croom, for example), to a coach who inherits a bloody mess (Shula, for example), they're not comparing apples to apples. I am happy that Croom and Co. beat Florida, but it does not do much to make a 3 win season look any better. The loss to Maine was just as noteworthy about whether or not your team (again, a full team of 85 scholly's) was prepared to play. Just my opinion, but I think Shula needs 2 years AFTER sanctions end (being back up to 85 real scholly players) to be judged by all the armchair QB's. Then we can get critical, but he needs to be left alone until that happens. He's doing an incredible job.

RTR!

 

[CrImSoNtIdE!]

I think that there are too many CMS bashers out there that need to just give him a chance. Two years ago, he took the job as Head Coach during a very rough time, and this past year, we lost many of our strong starters. You can't expect any team to go undefeated or win 90% of their games when they loose such important teammates. This next year is CMS's time to shine and I expect him to. I think we are going to have a great season, both the team and the coaches!

ROLL TIDE ROLL!

 

[jwade11]

From what I have read, I do not see that many Mike Shula bashers. What I see is realists. Just because a person does not see everything as rosy, you label him a barner. That's ridiculous. By the way, you can lose players, but you can't loose players.

 

[TiderinMiss]

By the way, you can lose players, but you can't loose players.

Well, what I see are realists, not is realists.

 

[Bama Lee]

Coach Shula will become a solid head football coach if given a sufficient amount of time for growth. We are seeing the results of his dedication and all due diligence within the fruits of his recruiting. There is a wonderful article on the CBSsportline web page about Coach Gottfried and the Alabama basketball team. It gives Coach Gottfried credit for helping each player grow in terms of result from year to year. Ideally that is what you want from a head coach in any sport. Unfortunately, in this age of "I want what I want and I want it NOW", most coaches are not given a sufficient amount of time to reap the fruits of their labor.

PS- and I never thought that I would ever describe anything that came from CBSsportsline as being "wonderful" or anything remotely close to it!!! :biggrin2:

Here is that article....

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/8159642

 

[BigAlBama]

I think signature wins are important. By not having any signature wins his first two years he has put himself in a must win situation for '05. Fact is, if he doesn't get a win against Fla, UT, LSU, or AU this year, he will be on the hotseat because he doesn't have any past big wins to use as 'trump cards' to show he is doing a good job when asked about his performance or future.
Unfortunately, I don't have any better idea of how Shula will do now than I did before his first game. I hope they pull it together this year for Shula's sake. I want to see him succeed - I think he is a class guy and runs a clean program. The last thing we need is another coaching change.

 

[bayoutider]

From what I have read, I do not see that many Mike Shula bashers. What I see is realists. Just because a person does not see everything as rosy, you label him a barner. That's ridiculous. By the way, you can lose players, but you can't loose players.

Realist is another buzz word thrown around that many have a different meaning for. Too many realists on this board think that applying that lable to themselves gives them the right to inject a few jabs at a person, coach, player, recruit or the program. Opinions are fine but those punches below the belt are a foul.

 

[jwade11]

To say that a coach that has not had a "signature" win is not bashing or being degrading. The fact is we only beat 1 team with a winning record. Most people would like to see us beat teams like TN, AU, and AR. instead of Utah State.

 

[bayoutider]

To say that a coach that has not had a "signature" win is not bashing or being degrading. The fact is we only beat 1 team with a winning record. Most people would like to see us beat teams like TN, AU, and AR. instead of Utah State.

And I never said that comment was. The wins will come soon enough.