Shula might be an option for ECU.

[Bamabuzzard]

With the talent Bama brings in on "name" alone I could have an above .500 record at Bama, and no, I'm not joking. Shula got the bear minimum out of what he was dealt to work with. We got out exactly what Shula put into it. Which was mediocre. And as someone has already posted. "Thank goodness for Joe Kines."

With that said, Shula did win at Alabama, that can not be denied, (like I said not consistently, but he did win, more than he lost)

 

[RT77]

Mike Shula would be a sub-par choice for just about any college football program, unless he's managed to rid himself of the following behaviors:

-Excessive coddling of star players, coupled with mistreatment of players who see limited action
-Failure to succesfully implement and maintain an effective off-season strength and conditioning program
-Tendency to be very conservative, predictable and indecisive with offensive playcalling
-Less than stellar acumen for hiring and retaining quality coaching staff members
-Inability to maintain credibility when it comes to personnel/discipline issues

CMS personally did two things well while he was in Tuscaloosa: he and his staff managed to "coach-up" a couple of quarterbacks and turn them into modestly productive players, and he had decent recruiting success. Nothing on the level of Nick Saban and company, but not poor by any means.

A good bit of Shula's success in Tuscaloosa is directly attributable to Joe Kines and the defensive staff, and the job they did coaching up our defensive players. Shula basically let them have free reign as he knew relatively little about that side of the ball, and we fielded a competent - sometimes even dominant - defensive unit.

Excellent post. We can appreciate what CMS did as a player and perhaps for taking the job when no one else would have it. But let's face it, he does not have what it takes to coach college kids. His background is from an wealthy family with big name recognition in the NFL. I do not think it is possible for him to appreciate the socioeconomic level of the majority of kids entering college football and the issues that brings with it. He simply cannot relate to them. Look at the backgrounds of Coach Bryant, CNS or for that matter many sucessfull college coachs. Not many of these were born with the silver spoon in their mouth.

 

[TommyMac]

i would LOVE to see him there and be successful. He deserves it...

Why does he deserve it? :conf2:


His failures were of his own doing. I'm not going to take the time to list them all, but he ignored the most basic rule of building a good football team, which is CONDITIONING. Somehow he grew up with a Hall of Fame NFL coach as his Dad and never noticed the importance of S&C. :conf3:

 

[Rasputin]

With the talent Bama brings in on "name" alone I could have an above .500 record at Bama, and no, I'm not joking. Shula got the bear minimum out of what he was dealt to work with. We got out exactly what Shula put into it. Which was mediocre. And as someone has already posted. "Thank goodness for Joe Kines."

I'm the farthest from a Mike Shula fan as there is, but to overlook what penalties and restrictions we were under at the time would be pure stupidity.

Shula was not a good coach at the Univeristy but lets not pat ourselves on the back too much...

 

[Saban14]

I'm not Earle and this isn't directed at you, just an observation that I have. It wasn't only discussed at the end of his tenure, but I beleive your situation is very common here. Many of our newer posters were not around the last few years and haven't heard all the facts laid out about the Shula era and what really went on. Those are the people who generally post the "he took the job when no one would", "or he saved our program" comments because they don't know any better. Of course there are a few that have heard the facts and choose to ignore them.

He did not save anything and he did not do us any favors. Unless you consider $900,000 to hangout with your and your wife's buddies a favor. Not to mention the kids who needed him and he let slip through the cracks while spending his time with the popular more affluent kids who had the right mommies and daddies. Again, thank the good Lord for Joe Kines or it would have been even worse.
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I went to every home game during the Shula years (as I do now), and several road games. My observation is that our teams were ALWAYS out of shape, almost severely. We were very 'unclutch'. Offensive playcalling was extremely bland (I remember Shaud getting shut down 2-4 times in a row against LSU when we needed 1 yard for THE WIN). He had a freaking terrible OC in Dave Radar (im not sure why he hired that out of work nerd anyway), and our defense was the only reason we were ever competitive (anyone remember "Rocky stop", etc). Having said that, I have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I'm not above acts of "stupidity" but I don't think this is one of them. He wasn't under any penalty or restrictions that kept him from putting more time, energy and effort into recruiting. There weren't any penalty or restrictions that kept him from firing assistants that were doing nothing more than sucking hind tit.There weren't any penalty or restrictions that kept him from putting more investment and effort in our strength and conditioning program. These areas he grossly slacked in is the lifeblood of success in college football. Its not what he did or didn't do with what he didn't have that costs us. It was what he did and didn't do with what he had that cost us games.

I'll pat myself on the back enough to know I'd been smart enough to hire assistants that knew a lot more about football than me and let them do their job. And if after the season the results weren't there I'd be smart enough to get rid of them and hire another one. It's not "patting on the back" its just plain common sense. Of which ole Mike didn't seem to have much of when running this program...

I'm the farthest from a Mike Shula fan as there is, but to overlook what penalties and restrictions we were under at the time would be pure stupidity.

Shula was not a good coach at the Univeristy but lets not pat ourselves on the back too much...

 

[AlexanderFan]

Answer:
Javier Arenas &
Rolando McClain

Question:
What were the only two good things that came out of the Shula regime?

Can I beat the dead horse a little? The guy hired his friends, or people the university wanted him to hire. Dave Rader wasn't even in football when he hired him. I'm reminded of the scene in "Major League" when the general manager of the Indians calls the prospective manager and asks him if he wants the job and he stonewalls him because a guy on the other line has a set of whitewall tires he's interested in.

He let Titus Brown leave Tuscaloosa. That guy waged a one man war against us during his time in Starkville because CMS couldn't walk down the street and watch the guy play and offer him a scholly. Total lack of recruiting knowledge, technique, and experience on his part. Dare I say Tim Tebow?

His teams never improved. CMS year 1 = CMS year 4. I would even go so far as to say most of his players regressed the longer they stayed in Tuscaloosa.

CMS is right where he belongs: coaching mediocre primadonna QBs in the NFL in a warm climate and getting to go home and cuddle up with his hot wife after a day's work. Leave him be, ECU, leave him be.

 

[Alanbama27]

According to the most recent reports Shula is their LEADING CANDIDATE! I must say that I am shocked, but it is possible that since going back to the pro's he's learned that a head coach is supposed to be a CEO and that requires making hard decisions, like firing assistants who aren't cutting it. Also, he might have learned that he should NOT be the OC too, but I doubt that! That was his downfall at Bama! Had he actually hired a REAL OC, he could have won more consistently.

As much as I love Saban and how fast he's turned us around the fact remains that (and this is proven out) any coach can win at Bama. I've often asked...is it the coach that makes Bama or Bama who makes the coach. It's tough question to answer but given that EVERY COACH who has ever coached at Bama has won at least 10 games by his 3rd year (4th for Coach Bryant)...and yes that includes Perkins, Curry, Stallings, Dubose, Franchionne, Shula and of course Saban. I don't have the stats in front of me but I am thinking Bama is the ONLY school that can claim that distinction.

 

[Willis]

well im certainly not going to say that theproblems mentioned were not there or that we're not better off now with Saban but it seems like people tend to forget how close we were to an undefeated season in 2005. That season plays out a little different I think had Prothro not gotten hurt (in fact we were all gushing over the offense up until that point)...plus losing Closner in the MSU game was the nail in the cofin. Might be wrong but it seems like his injury resulted in shifting around which put a certain OT in the line up who got beat all the time...it was even to the point to where the mods wanted us to "lay off" of him on the boards.
Also if we had Croyle in the 2004 with that o-line (darby rushed for 1500 or somethin)...no way we finish 6-6.
Just sayin

 

[dvldog]

For ease of posting, I'd like to suggest a sticky thread with a title something like, "Bash Mike Shula here". It would very easy to find for those who feel the need to unload on a weekly, monthly, and/or annual basis.

 

[crimsonaudio]

For ease of posting, I'd like to suggest a sticky thread with a title something like, "Bash Mike Shula here". It would very easy to find for those who feel the need to unload on a weekly, monthly, and/or annual basis.

Yah, Shula takes more of a berating than Fran and Dubose combined and look what they did...

I had lots of issues with CMS, but bashing him here does no one any good and we're very close to crossing the line of bashing a former coach.

 

[Blanda's Shoes]

people tend to forget how close we were to . . .

Can we please refrain from mentioning the word "close" in this discussion?

 

[RT77]

Yah, Shula takes more of a berating than Fran and Dubose combined and look what they did...

I had lots of issues with CMS, but bashing him here does no one any good and we're very close to crossing the line of bashing a former coach.

I agree with all comments about bashing. He is an alum and was a great player. Speaking as an alum that loves the University, I cannot imagine what it must feel like to not be able to be seen on campus. I feel the same about CMG in the basketball program.

I stick to my opinion regarding CMS as a head coach, but if he gets the ECU job I wish him the best (unless they play us).

 

[Willis]

Can we please refrain from mentioning the word "close" in this discussion?

know where your coming from but how else do you say it?

 

[WMack4Bama]

The Daily Reflector is reporting that ECU will name former TexasTech assistant and interim Head Coach, Ruffin McNeill as their next head coach.