And Alabama went to sleep
Some Context (regarding coach DeBoer’s start)
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Griping about Vandy is so two weeks ago! ðŸ˜Â
Good thing we don’t play Memphis this year.
1st time since 1984 we lost to the hillbillies and docs.
He had to rebuild a staff, many of who are playing a different role than they did last year where they came from. All that is new. New relationships, new approaches, new communication, and new plays and terminology. And he had the mass exodus of experienced DB's to replace. Many of those replacements are either currently injured, or very young. While the paper ranking may be high, you don't drop in freshman and guys who did not play at a high level last year and not expect a drop-off in consistency. It was rare for Saban to play freshmen DB's in big games, and most times it was out of necessity and ended up biting us. But this year there's been as many as 4 freshmen on the field at the same time. As far as the offensive deficiencies, those are essentially unchanged from last year.
You could transfer then too, you just had to sit out a year. Let's not forget that DeBoer succeeded at Washington with a transfer from Indiana playing QB for him. It's not exactly like he's a victim of the system and is unable to use it to his advantage. I'm not sure how to both excuse lack of success due to the portal and give him credit in another instance which was obviously a result of the portal.
For the record, in 2021 Washington's starting QB was a guy named Dylan Morris who threw 14 TDs and 12 INTs. His final season was at James Madison where he threw one pass. I'm guessing DeBoer's time at Washington would have gone a bit differently if not for the transfer portal.
Do you think they're the 15th most talented team? Because, that's where the team is ranked right now in the polls...
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Probably 5 or 6, as far as proven talent goes. Poor QB play can often make a team underachieve It's not all on the QB, but when one of our biggest strengths is WR, and he can't get the ball to then, we are more than likely going to underachieve.
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Literally wouldn't want to play them right now.
Yeah but let’s not pretend guys like Downs, Key, and Spoodie are on the move with the old rules. Les Miles didn’t have to worry about an insane amount of talent leaving in 2005.
You are moving the goalposts here. You made the direct comparison with Les Miles in 2005 to Deboer 2024. Les Miles inherited a veteran team that was mostly intact because of the transfer rules at the time and probably the most talented quarterback in the nation. Deboer inherited a flawed but talented quarterback, had to replace most of the defense, and some key contributors on offense from the previous year.
Point is 2005 LSU was a team that would be a team everyone would be picking to compete against USC for the national championship if Nick Saban was there. 2024 Alabama would be the team everyone would believe was Saban’s second team to go 3 losses at Alabama had he stayed.
Let me be absolutely clear on this. I do not agree with that one tiny bit, not at all. It's one reason why I leaned the way I did in terms of who I wanted to replace Saban. No one needed to reinvent the wheel, the talent was there, and Alabama came extremely close to a title last year.
Clearly not the best Saban team, but I don't see another team that would have been definitively better. We're not going to agree on that I guess, but I saw a team that was up there with the top contenders as per usual and you might note those bad snaps (and the center who made them) have gone away and that was what cost Alabama a shot at a championship last year.
Also, might as well get back to JaMarcus Russell. That dude was talented but absolutely capable of boneheaded decisions. On the field, and off. In 2005 his TD to INT rate was 15/9. I saw him last year in a parking lot pulling his pants up before he went in to buy some shrimp, a while after that he got in some more legal trouble. Anyone who thinks poorly of Milroe's intellect should think they have a lot in common.
Aside from Lanning or Kirby there isn’t anyone who runs a similar system as Saban that was even deserving of a call to run this team. Neither was ever going to come because they have loaded teams coming back in 24 and has a great shot a winning it all without having to deal with winning a locker room that already was a circus in 24. So who does that really leave??? You keep crying for Dabo but seriously what has Dabo done since Justin Fields and Ryan Day made him look like a high school football coach in 2020? Do you seriously want a guy who doesn’t use the transfer portal at all and has struggled to win a bad ACC since 2020?
We nearly lost to a horrible Auburn team…. I don’t get all of this “we were one bad snap from a title†argument that totally ignores that we were “one more defensive rusher from not having the ‘one bad snap away from a championship’ argument†or better yet “if FSU’s quarterback doesn’t get hurtâ€Â
This was a typical good team that punched way above its weight and got a few lucky breaks and was in a position that they had no business being in. We were 2013 Auburn if you need a comparison.
Bond was never coming back. Downs maybe would have stayed. But it’s highly unlikely we would have gotten Benard. Saban probably stops the defensive bleeding but we still have the same staff minus a DC and we are probably looking for a bunch of offensive players that are willing to come to play in a bad offensive situation. So I have my doubts that Saban is better than 5-2 at this point. He probably solves a lot problems in 24 but also relives others that have plagued Alabama from 21- 23.
Who Cares about last year except the morons at Williamson HS that paid him to coach. The dude was a baller in the SEC and easily the most feared quarterback from 05-06 in the SEC.
.....that he had coached while at Indiana, and knew full well what he had. There was that prior relationship. Otherwise Penix would not have come to Washington. And what a great find he was! We might not be having this conversation had Penix not been headed to the NFL. Yet they still lost 2 games that first year, one of which to a 3-9 Az St. team away. But another thing on that, Washington's returning starter at QB was a freshmen and had lost a bunch of games. So bringing in a stud QB was low risk to team chemistry and was frankly a move he could not pass up. Milroe on the other hand was a returning 4th year player coming off a playoff appearance. I guess CKD thought he could fix him. Also, DeBoer brought 7 assistant coaches with him to Washington from Fresno, including both coordinators, TE and WR coaches. It's apples to oranges.
Yeah, they did. Just took them until halftime to find their place at the table. Fortunately we knocked the desert off their plate in the end.
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He’s right about being robbed with the calls in that place. Before the days of instant replay it was a lot worse.
I said prior to DeBoer being hired that he would obviously take the job because Washington was going to have to rebuild. I think part of the issue is we are dealing with a bit of a chicken and the egg type situation.
I became familiar with DeBoer's coaching last year because I was closely following Washington (lots of late games they nearly lost as I desperately cheered for them to do so, so Alabama had a better playoff chance). I was already familiar with Penix from 2020. I watched him throw for 5 TDs and 491 yards against Ohio State as he single-handedly kept Indiana in the game against Ohio State (Indiana lost by 7).
The issue was he kept getting injured and, well he played at Indiana. So, when I saw him having success at Washington, my first thought wasn't that it was a great coaching job, just that he finally got a chance to show what he could do. He to me was already obviously a great talent.
So, does Penix owe his success to DeBoer or does DeBoer owe his success to Penix? As you alluded to, Penix basically fell in his lap, he just happened to have been at Indiana the same time as Penix (DeBoer wasn't even at Indiana when Penix signed). I suspect it as a little of both, but it's another thing that's not repeatable. He doesn't have another phone-a-friend to use on a Penix caliber QB.
Which brings us to the fact that DeBoer is 17-8 at the FBS level without Penix. Penix's record as a starter at Indiana was actually 12-5 I believe (that includes games he was injured in). So, Penix had a better FBS winning percentage away from Washington than DeBoer has away from him.
There's a lot of talk of DeBoer's record, but it really doesn't look so remarkable under those circumstances does it? This year the excuse seems to be yeah, well he had to deal with an inherited QB, while part of my misgivings about the hire was yeah well Penix would have made a lot of coaches look good.
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Reading this thread has given me an epiphany. Could there possibly be some issue/conflict about the Washington transfers?
Just pure speculation on my part.
Just pure speculation on my part.
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