Let me start out by saying I am a student at The University from the state of Virginia. I have been to plenty of college basketball games throughout my life. My parents have season tickets at UVA. I have also been to Castle Coliseum (Virginia Tech), The Comcast Center (Maryland), and lastly Cameron Indoors (Duke.) When I came here I was exited about the opportunity to go to a school with such an up and coming basketball program. (mind you Virginia has not made the dance since 2001 I believe) One major problems I have seen with our program is the intensity around it. Or lack there of. Now I know this is a football school but give me a break. If Florida every other school outside the SEC can create an intimidating atmosphere why can't Alabama? I think the atmosphere starts with the students. The students are the loudest part of Colman coliseum and any other college arena. but there is a HUGE problem that needs to be addressed. If you watch college basketball you will notice in the majority of intimidating arenas, students are located near and around the court. Why has this not been addressed? Although I know it will bump some fat-cat alumni off the first 10 rows, this is the most effective way to change the environment that IS Alabama basketball. Any big-time program chooses an intimidating atmosphere over a couple bickering alumni. If this aspect were to change the students would come out louder and more in to the game; Rather than being shoved in the corner of Colman Coliseum. This would also help out alumni getting them amped’ up and up off their seats throughout the game. I just wish that ANY of you that can try to make a motion to change the placement of students would really help our program. Not only will it make basketball games more enjoyable it will also help our overall record and the opportunity to get certain recruits.
Something has to change with our basketball environment/program....
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nothing will ever change. Bama has always catered to and always will cater to the Fat Cat Alum. Just the way it is....I see no changes
foley_boy
1st Team
It's harder to get drunk and loud in the middle of the week. :wink:
I actually agree with you though. At least our program is on its way up. Things will only get better.
I actually agree with you though. At least our program is on its way up. Things will only get better.
While I see your point, winning at home is not the problem. Intimidating or not, we have lost one game at home this year. I think Gottfried has won about 80 or so percent of his home games. Most years under Gottfried, we have lost one or two games at home. Heck, the officiating will take care of winning at home in the SEC.
Our problem is that we do not give the same effort for say Ole Miss as we do for Florida or Kentucky. Although I do admit that has changed somewhat in the past two weeks. Another Problem is that Gottfried does not effectively use his bench. Hopefully, after Wed that will start to change also. It should not take 12 games into a 16 game league schedule to find your depth.
All we have heard all year is, "Steele is hurt. We have no depth, woe is me!!!!" Gottfried showed his hand on Wed night when he let the bench play and frankly, it has left me wondering if he has a clue. Our second teamers were beating an SEC team. Why hasn't he let them play before? The depth excuses do not hold water anymore. Can you imagine if he would have been rotating these players in and giving Steele a rest all season long. We would be far from the bubble and we would probably be a #2 or #3 seed.
The bottom line is this: This team has no business being on the bubble. Why has it taken Gottfried so long to find the bench? Why has it taken him so long to discover that the bench is the best motivator in sports? These are the questions that need answering in my opinion.
Our problem is that we do not give the same effort for say Ole Miss as we do for Florida or Kentucky. Although I do admit that has changed somewhat in the past two weeks. Another Problem is that Gottfried does not effectively use his bench. Hopefully, after Wed that will start to change also. It should not take 12 games into a 16 game league schedule to find your depth.
All we have heard all year is, "Steele is hurt. We have no depth, woe is me!!!!" Gottfried showed his hand on Wed night when he let the bench play and frankly, it has left me wondering if he has a clue. Our second teamers were beating an SEC team. Why hasn't he let them play before? The depth excuses do not hold water anymore. Can you imagine if he would have been rotating these players in and giving Steele a rest all season long. We would be far from the bubble and we would probably be a #2 or #3 seed.
The bottom line is this: This team has no business being on the bubble. Why has it taken Gottfried so long to find the bench? Why has it taken him so long to discover that the bench is the best motivator in sports? These are the questions that need answering in my opinion.
I agree. Bama's basketball succes is in it's past. CM Newton and Wimp Sanderson put it together for BAMA unlike any before or since then.
foley_boy
1st Team
I have to disagree with you there...CMG is the first Bama coach EVER to take us to the elite eight and he has us flirting with being a national powerhouse. I don't think you can say our success is in the past with that kind of present.
wimp has done so much more than gottfried. didn't wimp take us to the sweet 16 6 of 9 years? gottfried has gotten there once in 8. granted, he did take us to the elite 8 that year. i think consistency is more important than one time things. i doubt butler is an all around better program than we are even though they went to the final 4 last year.
foley_boy
1st Team
Ok...let's check your facts buddy. Wimp took us to the sweet 16 6 out of 11 years...he did go to the tourney 9 of those 11 years however. Gottfried has taken us to the tourney 5 of his 8 years including an elite eight run. Also, it was Gottfried who led Alabama to our first EVER #1 ranking. It was Gottfried who coached Alabama to a SCHOOL RECORD 24 regular season wins in 2002. And I don't know what you mean about Butler because the final four teams last year were George Mason, Florida, LSU, and UCLA...but I guess some people just want to say things however they sound the best for their case.
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Yeah, he got us to our first ever #1 ranking and then quickly coached us out of it. Don't give him credit for the bad judgement of poll voters.
Ok lets think about this. Who from the bench played? Riley, he has been playing from the bench for most of the year. Tubbs, been getting a good bit of playing time for a couple of weeks. Jemison, been coming in to give the bigs a break a lot. Coleman, doesnt play much but only played 7 minutes last game as well. Torrance, this is the only guy that has not been playing and that is because he was injured. So i dont think our bench has been misused. I think this teams problem is the lack of effort against the lesser teams, we just dont play as hard. Is that the coaches fault, i dont know i am not in the locker room are you? Motivation is a hard thing to track because it has to come from both the coach and the players. I dont want to place blame when i dont know where to place it.
I don't understand "why it HAS to change." What makes you think that the current situation has to change? It's not like the University needs the basketball program to bring in tons of money (duke would never survive without their bball team lol). It's not like people think of us as a national basketball powerhouse. It's not like we have a rich tradition of national championships in the basketball program. It's not like we don't go through this every single year, what makes this year any different?
The difference between basketball and football: When the football team wasn't performing up to standards they fired Shula.
The basketball team hasn't been at a high standard in years, it will take a drastically terrible couple of years to change it.
The difference between basketball and football: When the football team wasn't performing up to standards they fired Shula.
The basketball team hasn't been at a high standard in years, it will take a drastically terrible couple of years to change it.
CMG is clearly a great recruiter, but he's getting a reputation around the league for not being a very good "x's and o's" guy. Same with John Brady. CMG's M.O. seems to be to get a pool of talent and throw 'em out there.
That said, I really like having CMG as our coach. Maybe he's growing and learning, I don't know. I know some folks think we should get rid of him, but honestly, who else could/would we get? I think many people are satisfied if we make a Sweet 16 most years and sprinkle in an occasional Elite 8.
That said, I really like having CMG as our coach. Maybe he's growing and learning, I don't know. I know some folks think we should get rid of him, but honestly, who else could/would we get? I think many people are satisfied if we make a Sweet 16 most years and sprinkle in an occasional Elite 8.
You get out of something what you put in. In the case of Basketball what we haven't put in is the expectation to win. If the same environment existed about Bama basketball that does about football CMG would be on the hot seat. He would be well aware that mediocre teams were not going to be the norm at Bama. But before that we would be putting the same emphasis on basketball. Will has a point about the students they can help to ignite enthusiasm about the team. Yeah we may be winning at home but should not be satisfied with that, let's go for blowouts at home and solid wins on the road. And lets not tolerate the same old stuff year after year. We are weak on fundamentals and need to bring in an assistant that will get that fixed. The game starts there and it does not matter what else you do if you aren't solid with fundamentals you are not going to win consistently. The Vol game is a good example, a conference record in turnovers, to a team that played lousy and should have lost by 15 points.
A standard of CMG teams is they have little grit. They fold too easily when they encounter adversity. Wimp's teams had a lot more pit bull in them and you knew you had been in a fight when you played them. That toughness starts with defense. CMG needs to work the stuffing out of the players and make it clear if you don't do the "D" you don't get a chance to do the "O". He has the bench now to follow through and bench those not giving a good defensive effort.
A standard of CMG teams is they have little grit. They fold too easily when they encounter adversity. Wimp's teams had a lot more pit bull in them and you knew you had been in a fight when you played them. That toughness starts with defense. CMG needs to work the stuffing out of the players and make it clear if you don't do the "D" you don't get a chance to do the "O". He has the bench now to follow through and bench those not giving a good defensive effort.
I dont even know what to say. Are you hoping the team goes 10-18 a couple of years in a row so they will fire CMG. We have made it to the tourney and given ourselves a chance the last 5 years in a row. You talk about how no one thinks of us as a powerhouse and yet you want us to win National Titles evey year apparently....
I'm just being a realist, not an optimist.
I want this team to win every game, I'm simply stating how the current program works.
I want this team to win every game, I'm simply stating how the current program works.
foley_boy
1st Team
Let me get this straight...it was his coaching and bad judgement for the pollsters that took us out of the number one spot but it wasn't to his credit for the positive things that have happened with him as our coach...can't please everyone...oh well
The problem the past few years has been the same as the problem we've had in football -- the team just simply doesn't improve as the season wears on. Bama plays lights-out in December and gets ranked in the top 10, top 5, even #1. Then by the time March rolls around everyone else passes us by. The Elite 8 run from a couple of years ago was great, but it's obvious now that it was a flukey thing. More often, we've been bounced early by a lower seed.
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