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jthomas666 said:
And that's the bottom line.

The issue of Salvation through grace and grace alone comes up in a lot of Puritan sermons, even those not quite as terrifying as Jonathan Edwards' "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God."

There's an underlying tension that develops whe you try to reconcile the concept that God and God alone decides who is saved and who isn't with the notion that we can see people living Godly lives. Are good works then meaningless? The Puritans said yes.

At some point they came to a general concensus is that if you are truly saved--that is, if you have truly accepted Christ into your heart and soul, then God's grace will steer you down a righteous path. You will of course, stumble along the way, but by and large, you'll turn out OK.

I wonder to what extent this thread grows in the shade of one Richard Scrushy?
Salvation comes from confession with ones lips that that one is a sinner, that you recognize Jesus as Gods Son, that he rose from the dead in defeat of death three says later.
Gods grace makes it possible. His grace expressed by offering up his innocent and sinless Son to take your place and mine on that cross. We deserve the penalty for our sin. Jesus paid it for us with his perfect sacrifice.



At some point they came to a general concensus is that if you are truly saved--that is, if you have truly accepted Christ into your heart and soul, then God's grace will steer you down a righteous path. You will of course, stumble along the way, but by and large, you'll turn out OK

Salvation is more than a concept. In fact if you do what I mentioned above, the bible says, YOU WILL BE SAVED. You will stumble along the way but you will be more than OK. You will have a peace that is awesome in your life, you will be an adopted child of the living God. In essence what happens is supernatural. I know. I have and do experience God in my life every single day. It all started when I confessed my sins and recognized His Lordship in my life. It hasnt been the same since :)
 
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ValuJet said:
This is one thing I have never been able to understand:

A man who's led a life of womanizing, gambling, etc., all the vices of life, then, on his deathbed, accepts Christ with a pastor at his bedside. It's the old "just in case" syndrome, no?

I understand it is our mission to bring as many people to Christ as we can, but this could be problematic. And I have heard of many people who accepted Christ as their savior a day before croaking.

...I also understand that I do not stand in judgement. I just look at this situation with a big question mark.
The Rev. Mr. Innuendo would be pleased.
 

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PattheCatinSaudi said:
One more thought DBF...

It would seem to me that as a Presbyterian, the concept of predestination would make this whole idea of once saved, always saved easy to swallow. I mean you're either saved or not the moment you're are born. Your actions thoughout your life are simply an "indication" of where your soul will utimately reside. ;)

Both of your posts are just spiritual ignorance. New ageism. Predestination is only a reflection or statement that God for knew. However He is God. One cannot be saved by being born. It is an individual act of surrender to God based on the terms He laid out in His word.
Also there is not many paths. That is the devils lie. As has been posted there is only one way to God. His son Jesus. Period.
 
May I share my testimony and maybe shed some light on this subject.....I've lived the prodigal son thing.

When I was 9 , a friend accepted Christ and tried to witness to me. I, being the grandson of two Southern Baptist ministers, knew everything this friend shared, except the fact that I had to personally accept Christ as my savior myself. Well, I had spent more time in church than in my own bedroom, so I figured I'll go forward this Sunday at altercall....no biggy. Well, I tried to make myself do so for almost 2 years. For some reason , the kid who sang in the choir since age 5 was now scared to move. June 7, 1984..... Vacation Bible School....Thursday. Small church. No way would I admitt I was lost in front of several of my peers at age 11. My grandfather gave an opportunity to come forward, mom was playing "Just As I Am" on the piano.....no way....uh-uh. Next thing I knew I was running to the alter. Granddad knelt and asked me if I knew what to do and I said yep. Was baptised on the 17th of the same month.

Fastforward to highschool. I had one 1 ONE girlfriend in highschool. We broke up because I was saving myself (virgin) and she wanted to give it away. Graduated and stared dating this awesome girl. Fell in love and temptation turned into sin.....but hey , we loved each other and would marry anyway....sooooooo. Yeah , right. We broke up after a year. Started drinking to numb that pain. Dated a few more girls.....fell for another a year or so later....didn't wait a week till I was sexually active. She introduced me to marijuanna. We broke up....dated several females.....all at the same time..... at one time was sexually active with three women within a span of two days.....and this was continueous relationships.

Went to a party....smoked a quarter with a friend, downed a fifth of Jack and a fifth of Montezuma. Drove to Hardee's in Pinson to "sober up" enough to drive home. Met a beautiful woman there who had just come back from a Pinson football game with her little sister. Got her phone number, called her....met her for dinner, became sexually active with her, fell in love and married her within a year. I backed off weed when we married because she didn't like it, but still drank quite a bit. In 1999 she wanted to visit a church where a friend of hers was going. No big deal. We went, I hated it....end of story, right ?

She wanted to go again, so we did......and at the end of service she went forward and asked Christ into her heart. Well, I figured it was time for me to return to what I knew as a "kid" , so I'd give church a chance again. I knew I was saved, but a ton of crap was sitting between me and God. I remember driving back home from work that Monday night repenting to God and noticing He wasn't responding like he did when I was 10 years younger. I cried...it hurt so bad....I realized I had been so wrong and I had to admitt it to myself and God. Then the bottom fell out. God spoke to me and said " You were supposed to lead your wife to me and you did nothing " I was crushed. Never before has any man ...let me say that again.... NEVER BEFORE HAS ANY MAN been more devistated than I was at that very moment at how far I had walked away from the only one who loved me unconditionally. Well, me and God ironed things out , but then he challenged me. "Go repent to your wife too". Man, that was hard..... I got home and went and sat in our bedroom floor and told her I was sorry for not being the man she needed me to be and asking her to forgive me.

Fastforward to April 13th, 2005: I am an ordained deacon at Agape Baptist Church in Pinson, AL. I am a worship leader currently playing in the praise band and leading our youth worship on wednesday nights. I've been married for 11 awesome years to a saint of a woman. God has blessed me "good measure pressed down, shaken together, and running over".

During those years of rebellion, had I died , I would still have been saved and thus still able to walk into heaven, but I can't fathom the shame of having Jesus turn to God and say "yeah.....he's mine" because I sure wasn't acting like I am His. Here's the thing though.....since I am His , even though I wandered far away from His will for my life , He chased me....He never gave up on me.... THAT is why I love Him so....He has NEVER let me down....He has NEVER failed me.....and when I was unfaithful, He remained faithful.
If you have received Christ as your savior , you know it....God will let you know.....He don't play around about that. If you are His child , I don't believe you can outrun His love and His grace and mercy. He'll eventually run you over with it.

Gotta shout !!!!! HE REIGNS !!!!

Hope that helps someone......it felt good to share it, so maybe the one who needed to be ministered to was myself. Anywho.....God sure is good.
 
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I guess I'm going to hell since I'm an aspiring politician who advocates the hanging of all current Texas legislators that voted against the property tax cap. I meant it too. I hope they all rot in hell.
No you're not! Going to hell, that is. You just want things to be right. Earlier you said that you were raised Presbyterian, but apparently you're going to a Baptist church now. You said that you were about to give up on churches. Have you thought about changing denominations? I guess most churches have some kind of building program or some such thing going on that they need money for, but not all of them.

I changed mine not long ago, but not because of money. I'm happy and content there although I still don't know many people, but I'm gettin' there! I left the church I'd been a member of for 39 years because of a brouhaha going on, and I had to have peace. As I've said many times, all I want in my old age is "peace in the valley".

Think about it.
 

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Obviously, no true Baptist has posted on this thread yet. If one had then we would've been guaranteed at least one post about the single most important Baptist ritual of all.......BAPTIST BUSINESS MEETINGS!!!

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Nate Harris said:
Obviously, no true Baptist has posted on this thread yet. If one had then we would've been guaranteed at least one post about the single most important Baptist ritual of all.......BAPTIST BUSINESS MEETINGS!!!

:biggrin:
I thought you were going to say covered dish dinners.

:) :) :) :) :)
 

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May I share my testimony and maybe shed some light on this subject.....I've lived the prodigal son thing.

When I was 9 , a friend accepted Christ and tried to witness to me. I, being the grandson of two Southern Baptist ministers, knew everything this friend shared, except the fact that I had to personally accept Christ as my savior myself. Well, I had spent more time in church than in my own bedroom, so I figured I'll go forward this Sunday at altercall....no biggy. Well, I tried to make myself do so for almost 2 years. For some reason , the kid who sang in the choir since age 5 was now scared to move. June 7, 1984..... Vacation Bible School....Thursday. Small church. No way would I admitt I was lost in front of several of my peers at age 11. My grandfather gave an opportunity to come forward, mom was playing "Just As I Am" on the piano.....no way....uh-uh. Next thing I knew I was running to the alter. Granddad knelt and asked me if I knew what to do and I said yep. Was baptised on the 17th of the same month.

Fastforward to highschool. I had one 1 ONE girlfriend in highschool. We broke up because I was saving myself (virgin) and she wanted to give it away. Graduated and stared dating this awesome girl. Fell in love and temptation turned into sin.....but hey , we loved each other and would marry anyway....sooooooo. Yeah , right. We broke up after a year. Started drinking to numb that pain. Dated a few more girls.....fell for another a year or so later....didn't wait a week till I was sexually active. She introduced me to marijuanna. We broke up....dated several females.....all at the same time..... at one time was sexually active with three women within a span of two days.....and this was continueous relationships.

Went to a party....smoked a quarter with a friend, downed a fifth of Jack and a fifth of Montezuma. Drove to Hardee's in Pinson to "sober up" enough to drive home. Met a beautiful woman there who had just come back from a Pinson football game with her little sister. Got her phone number, called her....met her for dinner, became sexually active with her, fell in love and married her within a year. I backed off weed when we married because she didn't like it, but still drank quite a bit. In 1999 she wanted to visit a church where a friend of hers was going. No big deal. We went, I hated it....end of story, right ?

She wanted to go again, so we did......and at the end of service she went forward and asked Christ into her heart. Well, I figured it was time for me to return to what I knew as a "kid" , so I'd give church a chance again. I knew I was saved, but a ton of crap was sitting between me and God. I remember driving back home from work that Monday night repenting to God and noticing He wasn't responding like he did when I was 10 years younger. I cried...it hurt so bad....I realized I had been so wrong and I had to admitt it to myself and God. Then the bottom fell out. God spoke to me and said " You were supposed to lead your wife to me and you did nothing " I was crushed. Never before has any man ...let me say that again.... NEVER BEFORE HAS ANY MAN been more devistated than I was at that very moment at how far I had walked away from the only one who loved me unconditionally. Well, me and God ironed things out , but then he challenged me. "Go repent to your wife too". Man, that was hard..... I got home and went and sat in our bedroom floor and told her I was sorry for not being the man she needed me to be and asking her to forgive me.

Fastforward to April 13th, 2005: I am an ordained deacon at Agape Baptist Church in Pinson, AL. I am a worship leader currently playing in the praise band and leading our youth worship on wednesday nights. I've been married for 11 awesome years to a saint of a woman. God has blessed me "good measure pressed down, shaken together, and running over".

During those years of rebellion, had I died , I would still have been saved and thus still able to walk into heaven, but I can't fathom the shame of having Jesus turn to God and say "yeah.....he's mine" because I sure wasn't acting like I am His. Here's the thing though.....since I am His , even though I wandered far away from His will for my life , He chased me....He never gave up on me.... THAT is why I love Him so....He has NEVER let me down....He has NEVER failed me.....and when I was unfaithful, He remained faithful.
If you have received Christ as your savior , you know it....God will let you know.....He don't play around about that. If you are His child , I don't believe you can outrun His love and His grace and mercy. He'll eventually run you over with it.

Gotta shout !!!!! HE REIGNS !!!!

Hope that helps someone......it felt good to share it, so maybe the one who needed to be ministered to was myself. Anywho.....God sure is good.
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Gotta shout !!!!! HE REIGNS !!!!



Wooot!

Thanks, I had smilar experiences growing up right there in Hoover. Of course it wasnt so big then but still wild.
I think that it also needs to be said that if anyone is hung up on the Baptist or what have you thing they are missing the point. Salvation restores man with God. It is the one on one relationship you then have with God that is the point. If one isnt realizing that in thier lifes then it may not be the church you are going toos fault :)
 

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It isn't the ritual or the spoken words that count. It's what goes on in the person's soul that determines true salvation. And most people can't tell what's going on deep down in the soul of another. God can tell, but we mostly can't. That's why God is the ultimate judge as to whether one is truly "saved".

Remember the parable of the sower. In many ways is it possible to receive the Word, and yet fail.
 

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As a Catholic convert,I would suggest reading up on purgatory.I believe this would answer many of the questions and comments I've read on this thread.
 

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PsychoJoe said:
I thought you were going to say covered dish dinners.

:) :) :) :) :)
Hehehe I hate to get off the serious side of this thread, but I can't resist. I'm waiting for the day when EVERYBODY brings a green bean casserole, or potato salad, or something to one of those covered dish dinners.
:biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2:
 
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