The Decline of SCOTUS into a Partisan Political Body

[81usaf92]

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I am now back to the idea that we need to expand the court. We have to have a way to mitigate the impact of these bought and paid for clowns on the right

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Well that sounds an awful a lot like when Reid thought it was a good idea to lower the threshold. Look at how that turned out…

 

[Chukker Veteran]

In 2013 Reid reduced the cloture threshold for nominations on the lower courts but not for the SC. McConnell later extended the precedent to SC nominations In 2017.

 

[81usaf92]

In 2013 Reid reduced the cloture threshold for nominations on the lower courts but not for the SC. McConnell later extended the precedent to SC nominations In 2017.

He still set the precedent. Here is a serious question… “Do you really think that we aren’t going to get another Republican president?” If you think Republicans have no shot in gaining the White House and Congress ever again then expanding the court makes perfect sense, but if you think the possibility realistically exists then court packing gives the far right to do a lot more than send Roe v Wade back to the states.

Pragmatically probably the best fix is looking into term limits but constitutionalist would argue tooth and nail that it isn’t in the spirit of the constitution.

 

[Maudiemae]

He still set the precedent. Here is a serious question… “Do you really think that we aren’t going to get another Republican president?” If you think Republicans have no shot in gaining the White House and Congress ever again then expanding the court makes perfect sense, but if you think the possibility realistically exists then court packing gives the far right to do a lot more than send Roe v Wade back to the states.

Pragmatically probably the best fix is looking into term limits but constitutionalist would argue tooth and nail that it isn’t in the spirit of the constitution.

I am more worried that certain people now in the Supremes are aiming for ONLY right wing Presidents. Apparently, Martha Ann would love to have right wing, Christian Presidents from here forward. She seems to be planning on it.

 

[92tide]

it’s funny how the continual gop overreach is always the fault of the democrats

 

[Maudiemae]

it’s funny how the continual gop overreach is always the fault of the democrats

Isn't it, though?

 

[Chukker Veteran]

Well that sounds an awful a lot like when Reid thought it was a good idea to lower the threshold. Look at how that turned out…

It wasn’t as much a good idea but was the only realistic response to the GOP‘s blanket refusal to advance any nominations to be judges. There was no good choice at the time, in my opinion.

 

[81usaf92]

it’s funny how the continual gop overreach is always the fault of the democrats

It’s also funny that nothing is the Democrats fault for the Republicans rise to power. At some point you have to accept that the Republicans didn’t come to power just because a a group of ignorant Southern white Christian nationalists formed a posse while listening to Rush Limbaugh. They came to power because the national mood generally shifts every 4-8 years because of the unpopularity with the party in charge. If the Democrats really had the right answers and were great at governing all the time then the Republicans would cease to be and it would never be a question on the future of the United States.

The far right is the most credible threat in this country, but the Democrats do have some significant blame in their rise in popularity. It takes two to tango.

 

[Jon]

It’s also funny that nothing is the Democrats fault for the Republicans rise to power. At some point you have to accept that the Republicans didn’t come to power just because a a group of ignorant Southern white Christian nationalists formed a posse while listening to Rush Limbaugh. They came to power because the national mood generally shifts every 4-8 years because of the unpopularity with the party in charge. If the Democrats really had the right answers and were great at governing all the time then the Republicans would cease to be and it would never be a question on the future of the United States.

The far right is the most credible threat in this country, but the Democrats do have some significant blame in their rise in popularity. It takes two to tango.

since I gained the right to vote in 1988 the GOP has won exactly 2 Presidential elections where they also carried the Popular vote. 88 and 2004. Take away the electoral college and the national popularity picture for the Democrats looks pretty different

 

[81usaf92]

since I gained the right to vote in 1988 the GOP has won exactly 2 Presidential elections where they also carried the Popular vote. 88 and 2004. Take away the electoral college and the national popularity picture for the Democrats looks pretty different

But there is a huge flaw in that opinion…. There are far more Republicans who choose not to vote in New York, Illinois, California, and the Upper Midwest because they are in Democratic stronghold districts than there are Democrats who choose not to vote in fly over and small population southern states in Republican stronghold districts . So allowing the floodgates open by popular vote could actually hurt Democrats far more than it helps them. This fact is pretty telling since both times that a constitutional amendment was seriously considered on changing the EC was killed by fellow Democrats.

The nation is far more center right than what most here want to believe. So these what ifs on EC and SCOTUS probably don’t work out like everyone seems to think. Don’t believe me, ask the France and Europe right now how high voter turnout really helps progressive ideas. And generally they are further to the left than our leftists.

The truth is people get tired of who is running their government and usually do the childish thing and vote against them the next election even if the alternative is horrible. Its why presidential dynasties like Reagan-Bush and JFK-LBJ are rare.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

But there is a huge flaw in that opinion…. There are far more Republicans who choose not to vote in New York, Illinois, California, and the Upper Midwest because they are in Democratic stronghold districts than there are Democrats who choose not to vote in fly over and small population southern states in Republican stronghold districts . So allowing the floodgates open by popular vote could actually hurt Democrats far more than it helps them. This fact is pretty telling since both times that a constitutional amendment was seriously considered on changing the EC was killed by fellow Democrats.

The nation is far more center right than what most here want to believe. So these what ifs on EC and SCOTUS probably don’t work out like everyone seems to think. Don’t believe me, ask the France and Europe right now how high voter turnout really helps progressive ideas. And generally they are further to the left than our leftists.

The truth is people get tired of who is running their government and usually do the childish thing and vote against them the next election even if the alternative is horrible. Its why presidential dynasties like Reagan-Bush and JFK-LBJ are rare.

That's a startling statement. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before. It flies in the face of what an electoral vote, meaning the number of voters behind it, is worth in Wyoming, compared to New York. You lump CA, IL, NY and the upper Midwest together, when, in fact, the entire upper Midwest, save IL, is now composed of battleground states. If you have any reputable demographic studies which conclude that there is a much larger "silent" Republican vote than Democratic, I'd like to see them...

 

[NationalTitles18]

Also ignores a number of democrats in liberal states like CA and even red states like AL who don't vote. If you consider one you have to consider the other.

 

[92tide]

Also ignores a number of democrats in liberal states like CA who don't vote. If you consider one you have to consider the other.

doesn’t matter, the result is the same. it’s always the democrat’s fault

 

[jthomas666]

It’s also funny that nothing is the Democrats fault for the Republicans rise to power. At some point you have to accept that the Republicans didn’t come to power just because a a group of ignorant Southern white Christian nationalists formed a posse while listening to Rush Limbaugh. They came to power because the national mood generally shifts every 4-8 years because of the unpopularity with the party in charge. If the Democrats really had the right answers and were great at governing all the time then the Republicans would cease to be and it would never be a question on the future of the United States.

The far right is the most credible threat in this country, but the Democrats do have some significant blame in their rise in popularity. It takes two to tango.

One of the Democrats biggest problems is that they are ludicrously bad at messaging.

 

[81usaf92]

One of the Democrats biggest problems is that they are ludicrously bad at messaging.

That is pretty spot on. Personally I thought Warren was one of the best candidates with answers but they mostly went over the normal voters heads or came off as preachy. Simplistic and more concise messages usually work best when trying to draw someone to your side.

 

[81usaf92]

doesn’t matter, the result is the same. it’s always the democrat’s fault

Then why do Republicans ever win and Democrats ever lose? There has to be more than just “they cheat” or “Russia” to it.

 

[Maudiemae]

Then why do Republicans ever win and Democrats ever lose? There has to be more than just “they cheat” or “Russia” to it.

This is really simplistic but we might take into account that there is

Then why do Republicans ever win and Democrats ever lose? There has to be more than just “they cheat” or “Russia” to it.

I don't have answers but, the right wingers are taking charge in Europe, too. It's depressing and disturbing. For many of us, it's frightening.

 

[81usaf92]

This is really simplistic but we might take into account that there is

I don't have answers but, the right wingers are taking charge in Europe, too. It's depressing and disturbing. For many of us, it's frightening.

My point is that if the Democrats message and track record of governing was so close to perfect then the Republican Party would cease to exist, and would never have control over either house in the legislature. At some point we have to see that there are key issues that Democrats prove less popular with voters than Republicans. I think the viewpoint that “half of the United States is evil because they vote differently than me” is a huge reason why people who are on the fence become more firm in their opinions. I think America in 4 years is probably going to have the worst election in it’s history if this nonsense continues.

As far as Europe… It’s kind of easy to see why they are going far right. Immigration and Big City politicians have driven them to the Right. The question is how far and for how long.

 

[92tide]

no one is saying the dems message and track record is close to perfect.

frankly, i’ve been glad to see the dems finally start to push back on some of the gop idiocy. but as is par for the course, they get blamed for being mean and giving “moderate” voters no choice but to vote for trump

 

[Chukker Veteran]

no one is saying the dems message and track record is close to perfect.

frankly, i’ve been glad to see the dems finally start to push back on some of the gop idiocy. but as is par for the course, they get blamed on being mean and giving “moderate” voters no choice but to vote for trump

It's a hard balancing act...how to call out the clownishness without sounding clownish too.