The LA riots
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This is NOT a peaceful protest, (protesting is something I support), this is a crime. I have no sympathies for those actively involved, who will get injured or worse. It is time to hand out stupid prizes to those deciding to play stupid games.
Australian News report shot with a rubber bullet.
Australian Reporter Lauren Tomasi Hit By Rubber Bullet In Dramatic Footage From L.A. Protests
Apparently she's okay. That's gonna leave a mark, however.
Australian Reporter Lauren Tomasi Hit By Rubber Bullet In Dramatic Footage From L.A. Protests
Apparently she's okay. That's gonna leave a mark, however.
Somewhere along the lines, we lost the plot on the difference between protesting (which is constitutionally protected) and rioting (which is not).
If a car is burning in the middle of the intersection, that is a riot and should be dispersed.
Of course the police are bound by the orders of the civilian leaders appointed over them and if they say, "Let'em go." the hands of the police are tied. I would hope that the city and state leaders would say, "Protest all you want, but if it gets violent, we will close down the protest. We will protect private property. We will have order. Step out of line in regards to violence and we will crush you." Then do it.
If a car is burning in the middle of the intersection, that is a riot and should be dispersed.
Of course the police are bound by the orders of the civilian leaders appointed over them and if they say, "Let'em go." the hands of the police are tied. I would hope that the city and state leaders would say, "Protest all you want, but if it gets violent, we will close down the protest. We will protect private property. We will have order. Step out of line in regards to violence and we will crush you." Then do it.
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Newsom: We talked for 20 minutes, this issue never came up. I kept trying to talk about LA, he wanted to talk about all these other issues. He never once brought up the national guard. He’s a stone cold liar.
There’s no working with the President. There’s only working for him. I will never work for Trump
Anti-deportation protesters holding Palestinian flags while attempting to kill police officers by throwing heavy rocks through the windshields police cars driving on a highway in Los Angeles.
That may be, but the governor has the authority to call out the California National Guard under a Title 32 status. In fact, under Title 32 status, they have more flexibility than when they are federalized under Title 10, because under Title 32, the Posse Comitatus ACT may not apply.
This is probably a good time to remind everybody why we have a Posse Comitatus Act to begin with. Like many things, it goes back to the Late Unpleasantness of 1861-65.
During Reconstruction, in Greensboro, Ala., "one day a young man, Mr. Tom Cowan, resented an insolent remark made to him by a negro passing on the street. Immediately, a Yankee officer stepped up to Mr. Cowan and slapped him in the face. The young man drew his pistol and killed the officer and . . hid."
A mob of freedmen formed and searched the town. Cowan made his escape.
"They also went to young Cowan's home — dragged his younger brother forth and declared their intention to keep him as a hostage and . . to hang him if his brother did not return. . . In view of the whole town, a tall gallows was erected for the execution of this innocent young boy. The deepest gloom and despair settled down over the whole community. . . By chance, some one remembered having heard that General Marsh, who was stationed at a Post about 15 miles off, was a Mason. The news soon spread and the "Masons" of the town dispatched to this officer, and of course, we do not know by what means it was arranged, but if the sum of $9,000 was paid, the boy would be set free. ... Promptly at the hour appointed, the ... mob placed a halter around the young victim's neck — and dragged him through the streets to the fatal place. A more pathetic spectacle was never witnessed than that of the grey-haired father, walking by his son, exhorting him 'To die like a man.' Just as the lad was ascending the scaffold, the reprieve arrived, in the shape of an order from General Marsh forbidding the execution."
So a mob under the supervision of the US Army was about to lynch a man they knew was not the perp but was an innocent man. The mob refrained from hanging the innocent man only when an Army officer was paid a $9,000 bribe. Nice.
Anyway, within ten years, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act to get the Army out of the law enforcement business because the Army was terrible at it.
During Reconstruction, in Greensboro, Ala., "one day a young man, Mr. Tom Cowan, resented an insolent remark made to him by a negro passing on the street. Immediately, a Yankee officer stepped up to Mr. Cowan and slapped him in the face. The young man drew his pistol and killed the officer and . . hid."
A mob of freedmen formed and searched the town. Cowan made his escape.
"They also went to young Cowan's home — dragged his younger brother forth and declared their intention to keep him as a hostage and . . to hang him if his brother did not return. . . In view of the whole town, a tall gallows was erected for the execution of this innocent young boy. The deepest gloom and despair settled down over the whole community. . . By chance, some one remembered having heard that General Marsh, who was stationed at a Post about 15 miles off, was a Mason. The news soon spread and the "Masons" of the town dispatched to this officer, and of course, we do not know by what means it was arranged, but if the sum of $9,000 was paid, the boy would be set free. ... Promptly at the hour appointed, the ... mob placed a halter around the young victim's neck — and dragged him through the streets to the fatal place. A more pathetic spectacle was never witnessed than that of the grey-haired father, walking by his son, exhorting him 'To die like a man.' Just as the lad was ascending the scaffold, the reprieve arrived, in the shape of an order from General Marsh forbidding the execution."
So a mob under the supervision of the US Army was about to lynch a man they knew was not the perp but was an innocent man. The mob refrained from hanging the innocent man only when an Army officer was paid a $9,000 bribe. Nice.
Anyway, within ten years, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act to get the Army out of the law enforcement business because the Army was terrible at it.
Yeah I was told on here that he was an electable candidate for president. But for a man that ushered in the NIL and has constant riots in his very liberal state he is going to have a hard time winning over Midwest and southern voters.
Your post touches on a question I was about to ask. Are any state's NG trained now in crowd control? Years ago, when I was somewhat familiar with it, their training paralleled boot camp - physical conditioning and combat tactics, obviously not appropriate for urban mob control. The best you could hope for would be an auxiliary role, supporting LEOs. Incidentally, in our community, and I suspect elsewhere, many WWII vets came home and joined the NG for the pay, assuming WWII was the war to end all wars. They found themselves deployed to Korea. My oldest brother, having survived the 8th Air Force in SE England, wanted nothing to do with the military or planes, except as a passenger, but my next older brother, a pilot in the USAAF during WWII, continued in the Air Force Reserve. In the meantime, he'd completed college and become a CPA. As such, he'd picked up an additional service number, which was very close to helicopter pilot. During the Korean Conflict, a letter arrived from the Air Force - he showed it to me - starting off "Dear Major Self." It was an order to report to Ft. Rucker. As he said, he knew that, if they got him down there, they'd make him into helicopter pilot. (He had flown everything from fighters to light bombers in WWII.) I urged him to go PI and contact Senator Sparkman. The Senator worked his magic and Eddie got off. Sorry for the digression...
He's become less and less electable...
I think I said the same thing about the Jan. 6 terrorists, especially about the lady who got herself killed. The irony about these 2 events and how the political sides have flipped is not lost on me. I bet these folks don't get pardons.
Trump is the cause of all of this mess, from Jan 6 to today. Trump loves to cause chaos.
Yeah but that doesn’t excuse Newsom’s loosey goosey reaction to the riots either, nor does it excuse him for wishing to get in a senseless debate with Trump during it.
I think Ferguson probably showed how you limit the scope of a major riot. Sending in the guard for a riot that has turned violent or that is directed at the police probably should be the first thing you do. It’s truly amazing how west coast riots last alot longer and spiral out of control far more often than any other place in the country.
Is it, though? We really, really need to take a hard look at the organizers of stuff like this. I'll bet almost anything that there is a collusion/conspiracy aspect that needs to be addressed at some point. I'm especially interested in knowing whether or not this is being bankrolled by a foreign entity.
I have never been in a NG unit so I cannot say for sure but since military support to civil authorities is a core NG task, I'd bet they get some rudimentary training yearly. STill, the Guard can be a blunt instrument as Kent State demonstrated.
When I was in the 101st (1985-1988), we were required to do annual riot control training. We even had an annual allocation of 12-gauge 00 buckshot ammo. I suspect that was a remnant of the Civil Rights Era, something the Army was slow to get rid of.
You are right about your brother. When the USAF seceded from the US Army, they they took all the commissioned pilots with them. Then someone came along with the new-fangled thing called a helicopter and the Army said, "That has promise. Who's going to fly these things for us?"
It's a shame that Congress didn't do enough about lynching from the end of Reconstruction thru the end of Jim Crow and beyond,.
I'd think they would have worked that into the Posse Commitatus act, but I guess they were too busy letting white folks in the South continue the practice, unencumbered.
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