The policy and politics of Trumpism

[NationalTitles18]

I decided to put it here instead of the other thread since it's more political than anything, but when people begin dying in mass in a few weeks - including in red states - I have to think even the thickest of heads are going to be penetrated by self-preservation and feelings of betrayal, causing DJT to lose the election in perhaps the largest landslide ever.

Please note that I wish for this all to go away and for no one to get sick.

I'd take Trump being elected again over what we are about to face. And I absolutely mean it because things are going to get that bad without an immediate substantial improvement in the response.

 

[92tide]

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237053195899342854

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Well, maybe some voters had racist intents but, not all. I've admitted many times that I voted for Trump 4 years ago but, not because of some hatred towards Obama or black people. I didn't agree with many Obama policies but, I have never hated the guy or the overall job he did as President. Before Trump, I had a pretty healthy respect for the office of the President, no matter what party held the office. I respect Obama and the job he tried to do.

My vote 4 years ago was not so much a vote for Trump but a vote against Hillary Clinton. She is a politician I can't stand. I would have gladly voted for any other democratic candidate over Trump, even Sanders. Now, looking back, obviously that was a mistake but, I didn't think Trump would be this bad. Honestly though, if Hillary was running again, I'm still not sure I would vote for her. I definitely will never vote for Trump again but, Hillary is just a bad candidate IMO, and the democrats blew it 4 years ago by stacking their chips behind her.

We can sit back and try and blame racist white folks all we want but, some of that blame lay at the feet of the DNC. They didn't take Trump seriously and thought they could toss anyone out there and win. That plan backfired. Would Sanders have won, IDk but, I was ready to vote for him. When Hillary won the nomination, I never took a second look at the DNC candidate.

Here's a quote from Sterling Heights, Michigan Mayor Michael Taylor that illustrates my line of thinking 4 years ago:

"I remember thinking this Trump thing is insane, but when it was down to him and Hillary, I kind of said, 'Well, you are a Republican, and yeah he's nuts, but maybe he'll get better and you know he's going to lower taxes," Taylor said. "I slowly talked myself into it. 'He can't seriously be this deranged once he gets in there,' and he's even more deranged now than I thought then. So, I take the blame. I voted for him."

Republican Mayor Drops Trump for Joe Biden in Key Swing State of Michigan

 

[B1GTide]

I agree that racism was only a small part of it. Hillary is the biggest reason that Trump is in office. But racism has experienced a resurgence under Trump, and that is not a coincidence. Like Bloomberg, Trump is a racist. And he has emboldened his fellow racists to act out in ways that had been almost eradicated for a while in America.

 

[92tide]

I agree that racism was only a small part of it. Hillary is the biggest reason that Trump is in office. But racism has experienced a resurgence under Trump, and that is not a coincidence. Like Bloomberg, Trump is a racist. And he has emboldened his fellow racists to act out in ways that had been almost eradicated for a while in America.

small? hardly. his entire schtick was the birther idiocy and building a wall to keep brown folks out. trump is in office because a bunch of people voted for him, in large part because of those two things. in addition to that, there was widespread and massive foreign interference in our election that tipped it to trump

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I agree that racism was only a small part of it. Hillary is the biggest reason that Trump is in office. But racism has experienced a resurgence under Trump, and that is not a coincidence. Like Bloomberg, Trump is a racist. And he has emboldened his fellow racists to act out in ways that had been almost eradicated for a while in America.

Yes, I completely agree with that and it will take this country a long time to heal from the culture damage he has caused. I can't even imagine where this country will be if we have to suffer 4 more years of his hatred.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Well, maybe some voters had racist intents but, not all. I've admitted many times that I voted for Trump 4 years ago but, not because of some hatred towards Obama or black people. I didn't agree with many Obama policies but, I have never hated the guy or the overall job he did as President. Before Trump, I had a pretty healthy respect for the office of the President, no matter what party held the office. I respect Obama and the job he tried to do.

My vote 4 years ago was not so much a vote for Trump but a vote against Hillary Clinton. She is a politician I can't stand. I would have gladly voted for any other democratic candidate over Trump, even Sanders. Now, looking back, obviously that was a mistake but, I didn't think Trump would be this bad. Honestly though, if Hillary was running again, I'm still not sure I would vote for her. I definitely will never vote for Trump again but, Hillary is just a bad candidate IMO, and the democrats blew it 4 years ago by stacking their chips behind her.

We can sit back and try and blame racist white folks all we want but, some of that blame lay at the feet of the DNC. They didn't take Trump seriously and thought they could toss anyone out there and win. That plan backfired. Would Sanders have won, IDk but, I was ready to vote for him. When Hillary won the nomination, I never took a second look at the DNC candidate.

Here's a quote from Sterling Heights, Michigan Mayor Michael Taylor that illustrates my line of thinking 4 years ago:

Republican Mayor Drops Trump for Joe Biden in Key Swing State of Michigan

I get it. You voted for change and from a distaste for Hillary. At least you can admit you made a mistake. One big problem is that it's human nature not to be able to do that...

 

[81usaf92]

I think in many ways this democratic primary is proving that it was always more about Hillary than Bernie for the long drawnout contest. Hillary maybe the worst candidate since Bob Dole

 

[92tide]

I think in many ways this democratic primary is proving that it was always more about Hillary than Bernie for the long drawnout contest. Hillary maybe the worst candidate since Bob Dole

and yet she still got 3 million more votes than trump.

 

[B1GTide]

and yet she still got 3 million more votes than trump.

Yeah, Trump is the worst candidate in our nation's history. But Hillary was a disaster. Any reasonable republican candidate kills Hillary.

 

[92tide]

Yeah, Trump is the worst candidate in our nation's history. But Hillary was a disaster. Any reasonable republican candidate kills Hillary.

people keep discounting the effect of foreign influence in the 2016 election. also a big part of her being a "disaster" was 20+ years of being the "boogey-woman" for a multi-billion dollar propaganda machine.

 

[Jon]

Yeah, Trump is the worst candidate in our nation's history. But Hillary was a disaster. Any reasonable republican candidate kills Hillary.

she is also the single most thoroughly vetted politician in US History. Absolutely no one has ever been as closely scrutinized and absolutely no one that has been looked at even close to this has come out this clean.

 

[92tide]

she is also the single most thoroughly vetted politician in US History. Absolutely no one has ever been as closely scrutinized and absolutely no one that has been looked at even close to this has come out this clean.

the whole thing also ignores that trump is just a symptom of 40+ years of rot in the conservative/evangelical movement in our country.

 

[81usaf92]

people keep discounting the effect of foreign influence in the 2016 election. also a big part of her being a "disaster" was 20+ years of being the "boogey-woman" for a multi-billion dollar propaganda machine.

Whether fair or unfair, Hillary was always going to be the most despised candidate by the right in history. I think even without Russian interference she probably loses a few states that she wasn't supposed to. She probably still wins without interference, but we are probably looking at a very close race.

 

[92tide]

Whether fair or unfair, Hillary was always going to be the most despised candidate by the right in history. I think even without Russian interference she probably loses a few states that she wasn't supposed to. She probably still wins without interference, but we are probably looking at a very close race.

thankfully the rw puke funnel hasn't been able to coalesce around a singular enemy to nearly the same extent, but the damage is already done

 

[B1GTide]

Whether fair or unfair, Hillary was always going to be the most despised candidate by the right in history. I think even without Russian interference she probably loses a few states that she wasn't supposed to. She probably still wins without interference, but we are probably looking at a very close race.

Honestly, her problem is that she is just not likable. She is the wife of a politician, not a politician. She has no political acumen, and she has no charisma. She might be "clean" but that is not what gets people elected.

She has the personality of a sponge.

 

[81usaf92]

thankfully the rw puke funnel hasn't been able to coalesce around a singular enemy to nearly the same extent, but the damage is already done

I think they have, but its kinda hard to hate Joe Biden like they hated HRC. They are so desperate for Bernie to do really great today that they gave him a town hall last night and free attack ads launched against Biden. I really think Fox and Trump fears Biden.

 

[92tide]

I think they have, but its kinda hard to hate Joe Biden like they hated HRC. They are so desperate for Bernie to do really great today that they gave him a town hall last night and free attack ads launched against Biden. I really think Fox and Trump fears Biden.

they are trying, but they just don't have the longevity to make it stick. they only started in earnest last year (the russians started the whole burisma nonsense back in 2015 iirc thinking he would be running in 2016) when he threw his hat into the ring for 2020.

the other issue is, as recently as last year this time (before biden officially launched his candidacy) the totally not a trump supporter concern trolls (who thought trump was a boor, but look what he's done for jobs and the price of gas) were saying they thought the only chance the dems had of beating trump was biden and they could totally support someone like him, but the dems would lose big time if they put up someone like warren.

 

[81usaf92]

they are trying, but they just don't have the longevity to make it stick. they only started in earnest last year (the russians started the whole burisma nonsense back in 2015 iirc thinking he would be running in 2016) when he threw his hat into the ring for 2020.

the other issue is, as recently as last year this time (before biden officially launched his candidacy) the totally not a trump supporter concern trolls (who thought trump was a boor, but look what he's done for jobs and the price of gas) were saying they thought the only chance the dems had of beating trump was biden and they could totally support someone like him, but the dems would lose big time if they put up someone like warren.

I still am trying to figure out how the price of gasoline being lower reflects a booming economy.


I personally thought Biden was the best choice to beat Trump from the start, but started to shift toward a Pete and Liz opinion. I think out of the two between Sanders and Biden, Biden clearly is the better choice.

 

[92tide]

I still am trying to figure out how the price of gasoline being lower reflects a booming economy.


I personally thought Biden was the best choice to beat Trump from the start, but started to shift toward a Pete and Liz opinion. I think out of the two between Sanders and Biden, Biden clearly is the better choice.

it's the same logic that convinces one that a gilded con-man with a long history of theft, incompetence, and failure would drain the swamp of elites and make america great again.