The Republican War on Public Schools (vouchers, religion, graft, testing, etc.)

[Jon]

I don't know why, but it still amazes me to this day how many people don't understand this. The bill of rights is really a set of rules for our government, not us. If more people looked at it that way, it might help.

maybe, just maybe it is because a giant orange moron won't shut up about his first amendment rights being violated by "illegal, unconstitutional censorship."

but hey, what do I know

Trump sues Facebook and Twitter for banning his accounts after January 6 attack

The former president argued in court filings that Twitter and Facebook have violated his right to free speech.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[AWRTR]

A contributing factor, perhaps, but the "entire problem"?

Go look at studies showing the outcomes for children from homes with no father and children from two parent homes. It's incredibly stark. If there is one thing you can give your kids to help them succeed it's a stable home with a mother and father married and living in the house together raising the children. The situation does improve if the child has a father that is very active even if not in the home, but it's still not as good.

The most interesting thing is research shows that a single father home has very similar outcomes to a two parent home while single mother homes have the worst outcomes. The majority of our societal problems stem from the break up of the nuclear family. Go look at the percentage of people incarcerated with no father in the home. Go look at teen runaway and teen pregnancy as it relates to this subject. Drug abuse, school dropout, and many other bad outcomes are linked to this.

 

[N.al-tider]

maybe, just maybe it is because a giant orange moron won't shut up about his first amendment rights being violated by "illegal, unconstitutional censorship."

but hey, what do I know

I get that people don't like Trump and that's fine. I don't like him either but I did vote for him twice. But let's be honest here. Trump is NOT the reason why people don't understand the issues brought up about the 1st amendment above. Yes, Trump is a loud-mouth but there were tons of ignorant people regarding 1A long before he became the scourge of the universe. I can remember as far back as the late '70's where people were ignorant about this.

 

[92tide]

I get that people don't like Trump and that's fine. I don't like him either but I did vote for him twice. But let's be honest here. Trump is NOT the reason why people don't understand the issues brought up about the 1st amendment above. Yes, Trump is a loud-mouth but there were tons of ignorant people regarding 1A long before he became the scourge of the universe. I can remember as far back as the late '70's where people were ignorant about this.

agreed, trump is more of a symptom than a cause

 

[Jon]

I get that people don't like Trump and that's fine. I don't like him either but I did vote for him twice. But let's be honest here. Trump is NOT the reason why people don't understand the issues brought up about the 1st amendment above. Yes, Trump is a loud-mouth but there were tons of ignorant people regarding 1A long before he became the scourge of the universe. I can remember as far back as the late '70's where people were ignorant about this.

people are ignorant about all kinds of things. I'm just saying that the leader of the country being loudly wrong over and over again doesn't help

 

[N.al-tider]

people are ignorant about all kinds of things. I'm just saying that the leader of the country being loudly wrong over and over again doesn't help

Right, but isn't necessarily the "cause" either though.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

agreed, trump is more of a symptom than a cause

Holy Christ on a carousel, did we finally agree on something? Huzzah!

 

[jthomas666]

Go look at studies showing the outcomes for children from homes with no father and children from two parent homes. It's incredibly stark. If there is one thing you can give your kids to help them succeed it's a stable home with a mother and father married and living in the house together raising the children. The situation does improve if the child has a father that is very active even if not in the home, but it's still not as good.

The most interesting thing is research shows that a single father home has very similar outcomes to a two parent home while single mother homes have the worst outcomes. The majority of our societal problems stem from the break up of the nuclear family. Go look at the percentage of people incarcerated with no father in the home. Go look at teen runaway and teen pregnancy as it relates to this subject. Drug abuse, school dropout, and many other bad outcomes are linked to this.

Followup: Is it simply a matter of having two parents, or is it a healthy home? Also, how would you recommend we address that problem? Should a single mom marry the first clown she runs across just to get her kids a father?

I don't doubt the impact, just wondering how that information can be used to improve school outcomes.

 

[N.al-tider]

Followup: Is it simply a matter of having two parents, or is it a healthy home? Also, how would you recommend we address that problem? Should a single mom marry the first clown she runs across just to get her kids a father?

I don't doubt the impact, just wondering how that information can be used to improve school outcomes.

I know you didn't pose those questions to me directly but... IMO, two parent homes where both parents are directly involved in raising the kids is the important thing. The problems that we have as a result of so many single parent homes is that kids need the different kinds of love and examples that two parents provide. A single mother just typically isn't able to provide the same perspectives for kids that a mom and dad are.

Now, "should a single mom marry the first clown she runs across?" Absolutely NOT. She should make better decisions BEFORE she gets knocked up on who the father (present or absent) will be. And just for the record, this isn't a "woman" thing, men are responsible for this decision making too. If a guy can't see sharing a child with a particular woman, he needs to exercise more self control and simply walk away. Same statement regarding women...

 

[Jon]

I know you didn't pose those questions to me directly but... IMO, two parent homes where both parents are directly involved in raising the kids is the important thing. The problems that we have as a result of so many single parent homes is that kids need the different kinds of love and examples that two parents provide. A single mother just typically isn't able to provide the same perspectives for kids that a mom and dad are.

Now, "should a single mom marry the first clown she runs across?" Absolutely NOT. She should make better decisions BEFORE she gets knocked up on who the father (present or absent) will be. And just for the record, this isn't a "woman" thing, men are responsible for this decision making too. If a guy can't see sharing a child with a particular woman, he needs to exercise more self control and simply walk away. Same statement regarding women...

curious your opinion on two parent gay or lesbian households

 

[92tide]

curious your opinion on two parent gay or lesbian households

at least the gay households don't get knocked up

 

[NWGATideFan]

Now, "should a single mom marry the first clown she runs across?" Absolutely NOT. She should make better decisions BEFORE she gets knocked up on who the father (present or absent) will be. And just for the record, this isn't a "woman" thing, men are responsible for this decision making too. If a guy can't see sharing a child with a particular woman, he needs to exercise more self control and simply walk away. Same statement regarding women...

I like how you dinged women twice, but men only once.

"She should make better decisions BEFORE she gets knocked up ..."
I don't even know where to start on such a simplistic POV to a complex problem.

I almost want to ask your thoughts on drug addiction.
But I feel pretty confident you would post a variation of that oldie but a goodie: "Just say no."

 

[HSV_1969]

Followup: Is it simply a matter of having two parents, or is it a healthy home? Also, how would you recommend we address that problem? Should a single mom marry the first clown she runs across just to get her kids a father?

I don't doubt the impact, just wondering how that information can be used to improve school outcomes.

I know this will potentially be unpopular on this board, but the rise in quite a few problems can be traced back to the 1960s where there were fights over religion & prayer in schools. With the removal of many aspects of religion from the schools, policies that instilled or reinforcing many "good citizen" or moral behaviors were also removed from the schools.

The ideal situation would be for young men & women to live their lives in a context where they respected marriage, and were taught to abstain from sexual activity until they were married. At this point in our culture, I don't see that happening. Any attempt to introduce policies that would reinforce "good citizenship" or "common decency" in schools now are pushed back on through public outcry, lawsuits or threats of lawsuits.

So, a single mom shouldn't marry the first clown she sees, but she shouldn't have participated in a situation with a clown that was going to just get her pregnant and not be involved as a father in the first place. Young men should also be taught to take responsibility as well.

My children are now out of the public schools, but back in the 2020 timeframe there were students that were allowed to identify as animals (cats specifically) that were being pandered to in a local high school. I heard someone saying this year that their grandchild who is in Kindergarten has another Kindergartener that is identifying as a cat in their class. That kind of stuff is just pure insanity and has no place in schools.

In the sports realm, it is pretty disgusting to look at the athletes and or fans from some oppressive countries that exhibit near universal respect and pride for their country and team, when some US athletes or fans want to disrespect the US. The US public schools should reinforce a pride in our country.

 

[Jon]

I know this will potentially be unpopular on this board, but the rise in quite a few problems can be traced back to the 1960s where there were fights over religion & prayer in schools. With the removal of many aspects of religion from the schools, policies that instilled or reinforcing many "good citizen" or moral behaviors were also removed from the schools.

The ideal situation would be for young men & women to live their lives in a context where they respected marriage, and were taught to abstain from sexual activity until they were married. At this point in our culture, I don't see that happening. Any attempt to introduce policies that would reinforce "good citizenship" or "common decency" in schools now are pushed back on through public outcry, lawsuits or threats of lawsuits.

So, a single mom shouldn't marry the first clown she sees, but she shouldn't have participated in a situation with a clown that was going to just get her pregnant and not be involved as a father in the first place. Young men should also be taught to take responsibility as well.

My children are now out of the public schools, but back in the 2020 timeframe there were students that were allowed to identify as animals (cats specifically) that were being pandered to in a local high school. I heard someone saying this year that their grandchild who is in Kindergarten has another Kindergartener that is identifying as a cat in their class. That kind of stuff is just pure insanity and has no place in schools.

In the sports realm, it is pretty disgusting to look at the athletes and or fans from some oppressive countries that exhibit near universal respect and pride for their country and team, when some US athletes or fans want to disrespect the US. The US public schools should reinforce a pride in our country.

my wife's second cousins friends girlfriend said they have litter boxes in schools.......

 

[HSV_1969]

I almost want to ask your thoughts on drug addiction.
But I feel pretty confident you would post a variation of that oldie but a goodie: "Just say no."

This was posted as sarcastic, but it is amazing to think that if someone did have the fortitude to resist ever taking drugs, they would never get addicted in the first place.

Self-control works when it is practiced. So why would it be wrong to encourage people to not do something that is very often a destructive behavior?

 

[92tide]

So, a single mom shouldn't marry the first clown she sees, but she shouldn't have participated in a situation with a clown that was going to just get her pregnant and not be involved as a father in the first place. Young men should also be taught to take responsibility as well.

there are a tons of single moms to whom this does not apply in the least bit.

 

[N.al-tider]

curious your opinion on two parent gay or lesbian households

I am 100% opposed to the homosexual lifestyle.

I like how you dinged women twice, but men only once.

"She should make better decisions BEFORE she gets knocked up ..."
I don't even know where to start on such a simplistic POV to a complex problem.

I almost want to ask your thoughts on drug addiction.
But I feel pretty confident you would post a variation of that oldie but a goodie: "Just say no."

How, or where, did I "ding" women twice but men only once? Really! I believe I DID say that men ought to make better decisions too. And while my statement may be simplistic from your perspective, that doesn't make it wrong. Just perhaps opposed to your particular POV?
Not sure how you figure drug addiction plays into my comments or even the relevance thereof...

 

[92tide]

I am 100% opposed to the homosexual lifestyle.

we know a whole lot of lgbtq+ folks who live a very wide variety of lifestyles.

 

[N.al-tider]

we know a whole lot of lgbtq+ folks who live a very wide variety of lifestyles.

What's your point?

 

[92tide]

What's your point?

i also know a lot of heterosexual people with a very wide variety of lifestyles