The Trayvon Martin Case
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One could also say that a man with a gun following a teenager for multiple blocks and confronting (in the loosest definition since we only have one side of the story) possibly lead to his being shot.
I still think it is at worst, manslaughter. However I am concerned that this can set a precedent. If you are carrying a gun and get into a fight with someone, as long as you are getting your tail whipped sufficiently enough you can kill that person.
No matter if you followed someone for several blocks and approached them in a darkened area between buildings.
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No matter if you begin insulting someone such that they decide to make you shut up, as long as your story is the only story, he who has the gun gets to write history.
Technically you could start the fight, end up on the losing side, and still kill the person as long as you have enough injuries to prove you were getting your tail whipped.
Before someone says "But but but, GZ didn't start it." Just like I will acknowledge that this is a sham case, at least do me the service of being honest with yourself that any number of things could have happened in that darkened area between apartments. GZ "could" have thrown the first punch. GZ "could" have been physically and verbally harassing TM. TM "could" have gotten tired of being followed and decided to make GZ stop. TM "could" have lain in wait to ambush GZ around a corner.
Thats the problem, no one "knows" anything. But since GZ is the one with the gun, it is his story that is the only first hand account of what happened. And given everything that we do "know" from the 911 call, to the situation as it went down (following, dark area) had GZ not followed TM, whatever altercation happened would not have happened, and at least that night TM likely wouldn't have gotten shot by GZ. Well unless it was all an elaborate ruse, and TM as part of his gang initiation ritual was on his way to GZ's house to break in and rob him of all his possessions.
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove with this rambling mess. First, it doesn't matter that GZ was following and appoached TM. The only thing that matters to me is that GZ was taken down and his head slammed against the pavement multiple times. This action alone could cause death and if it was possible that GZ could die then he defended himself. He has the right to defend himself with whatever means he has and just so happens he had a gun. Now had TM just kicked his butt and not put his life in danger then there might have been a case but we have evidence that TM took the butt kicking to another level.
I tell kids these days ALL the time that people rarely fight anymore like they used to. If you are going to go confront, pop off, or flip off folks these days you MUST take into account that the person you accost or confront may very well be armed. I try to encourage them to bite their lip and ask themselves, "Is this really worth getting shot over?" It is sad but it is sadly a reality.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
- Robert A. Heinlein
Funny my dad says the exact same thing. He said "back in his day" fighting was a way to resolve things without killing somebody, having to go to court etc. And it wasn't personal. Most of the time after the fight the two would be fine and go hang out or go about their merry way. But that's not the case anymore. As you say people don't "fight" much anymore and if they do the end result is someone loses their life or are permanently maimed.
I think you're right. Unless it is something worth losing your life over it simply isn't worth it. Just bite your lip and move on.
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I tell mine to treat everyone like they have a "people to kill" list at home and they don't want to be on that list. You don't have to own a gun to kill someone. Its best to just be polite and get the hell out of dodge when you can.
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It's sad to live like that but I'm not going to fight off anyone either. We had several break ins recently and several neighbors mentioned how no one picks our circle. It is probably because we all are literally armed to to the teeth. Maybe word has gotten out but if someone does pick our houses out they will probably die. I told them the only way I'd fight an intruder was if I ran out of bullets.
The judge reversed the pre-trial ruling about TM's marijuana usage. She announced today she will let the defense tell the jury about the marijuana in TM's body.
I didn't say it was a good thing or that every single teen is that way. But it doesn't take long on the Internet or social media to realize that it is pretty common among them.
Having dealt with some family & friends of the family it appears our younger generations are drowning in stupidity.
That'll be what gets GZ off completely, imo - no lesser charge, etc. Combine that with Zimmerman's statement that TM looked 'like he was on drugs or something' and I think there's for more than 'reasonable doubt' as to his guilt.
She allowed it because of GZ's comment to non-emergency 9-1-1 when he said "He acts like he is on drugs." It is already part of the trial evidence. Therefore she was compelled to allow it in.
She's bent over backwards for the prosecution - I think because she knows GZ will be found not guilty and she doesn't want any controversy attached to her wrt favoritism.
Just a theory of mine.
If Zimmerman is found guilty those white Hispanics are going to raise some hell.
Told my dad I wondered if the judge did it because she realized the prosecution did a poor job but couldn't dismiss the case when the defense made the request on Friday.
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